Ancient Quotes on the Macedonians as Distinct Nation

The ancient Greek, Roman, and Jewish historians, geographers, and orators, speak of the Macedonians as distinct nation, separate from their Greek, Thracian, and Illyrian neighbors. They are clear that Macedonia was never part of Greece and that the Macedonians conquered Greece, Thrace, and Illyria, and kept the Greeks, Thracians, and Illyrians enslaved, until Rome defeated the Macedonian armies and turned the country into its first province in 168 BC. The assertion of those modern historians that propagate that the Macedonians "were Greeks" which have "united" Greece, is absurd and is completely unsupported by the words of the ancients who clearly considered Greece subjected by the Macedonian foreigners. The Macedonians garrisoned the Greek cities (like the Thracian and Illyrian cities) to enforce their occupation, and later used the Greeks (along with equal numbers of the Thracians and Illyrians) for their conquest of Persia.

The ancient Greeks did not regard the Macedonians as Greeks, nor the Macedonians regarded themselves to be Greek. They were proud of their Macedonian nationality and way of life, and looked down upon the Greeks and with contempt. The Greeks called them barbarians, along with the Persians, Illyrians, and Thracians, a label that they attributed to all non-Greeks who neither spoke nor understood the Greek language. Alexander's Macedonian Army was not a "Greek army" as some modern writers have erroneously claimed, nor the Macedonian conquest of Asia was a "Greek conquest". The fact is that not one ancient writer has called the Macedonian empire "Greek" or the Macedonian army and conquest "Greek", but specifically Macedonian. When Rome clashed with Macedonia, the Macedonians were ordered by the Romans to evacuate from the whole of Greece and withdraw to Macedonia. They were hated by the Greeks ever since Philip II defeated the Greeks at Chaeronea in 338 BC and brought Greece to its kneel, and the Greeks fought fiercely, first on the side of the Persians and later on the side of the Romans to expel the Macedonians from their country. Too late would they realize that the Macedonian occupation would only be replaced by the Roman. In between the Greeks fought many unsuccessful wars against the Macedonians to drive them out of Greece, among which the Lamian War is the most famous. It should be noted that the Lamian War was triggered by the death of Alexander the Great, which encouraged the Greeks to rebel.

The purpose of this page is to provide the reader with the actual quotes of the ancient Greek, Roman, and Jewish historians, geographers, and orators that speak of the above assertions, and show that the ancient Macedonians were not Greeks (as the modern Greeks claim today) but a distinct nation. The reader is cautioned that these ancient quotes are not found at the Greek Internet pages which propagate that the Macedonians "were Greek". Since these overwhelming quotes confirm the fact that the ancient Macedonians were not Greek, the Greek Internet pages purposely avoid them, as they have no way of explaining them. But to the ancient peoples and to the ancient authors the distinctive ethnicity of the Macedonians was not a matter for debate - it was simply a fact.  

The Distortions of the Modern Western and Greek Historians

It is indeed shocking to see that despite the overwhelming ancient and modern evidence that clearly separates the Macedonians from the Greeks as two different peoples, there are still some authors to nonetheless portray them as "Greek". We have therefore reserved this section for criticism of the works of these modern Greek and western writers:

   A.B. Daskalakis – Hellenism

   Nicholas Martis - The Falsification of Macedonian History

   Manolis Andronikos - Vergina: The Royal Tombs

   Michael Sakellariou - Macedonia: 4000 years of Greek History

   Malcolm Errington - A History of Macedonia

   N.G.L.Hammond - The Macedonian State and History of Macedonia

   Michael Wood - In the Footsteps of Alexander the Great: A Journey from Greece to Asia

What can we conclude from the above analysis? Relying on authentic ancient and modern evidence we found clear mistakes and distortions made by the modern Greek and Western authors Sakellariou, Martis, Daskalakis, Hammond, Errington, and Wood, for falsely portraying the history of Macedonia by ascribing incorrect (Greek) ethnic identity to the ancient Macedonians. Alexander the Great would have turned in his grave had he known that he is being portrayed as Greek today by such unqualified historians and the descendents of the very ancient Greeks whom he slaughtered at Chaeronea and Thebes, and who were one of the greatest obstacle he had to face while conquering Persia. However, this ‘Greek’ position is nowadays regarded as outdated and finally thrown out from the history, pawing the way for the modern historiography where the Macedonians are rightfully presented as distinct nation, just like in the ancient writings. 

Ova se mnogu validni informacii (za onie koi ne gi znaele veke) PAK NE DIREKTNO POVRZANI SO TEMATA MEGUTOA OD OVIE INFORMACII SE POTVRDUVA - DEKA GRCIJA NEMALA DRZAVNOST PRED OVOJ PERIOD I PLUS TOA DEKA NIEDNA OD TERITORIITE PRED OVOJ PERIOD NE BILA NIKOGAS NIVNA  - KAKO STO I SAMITE SI STAVILE NASLOV  "GREEK TERRITORIAL GAINS"  sto prevedeno bi znacelo  "Grcki teritorialni pridobivki".

I uste edna mnogu vazna informacija e deka Grcite si ja kupile nazad svojata teritorija duri pisuva i kolku pari tocno gi cinelo toa (so kredit od Anglija) od Turcite (bez da vojuvaat -  normalno za nivniot karakter) - I SEGA TUKA E MNOGU BITNO PRASANJETO "Ako Egejska Makedonija bila nivna, togas ZOSTO I NEA NE SI JA KUPELE VO TOA VREME????"

Tuku morale da izmislat vojna za "kobajagno osloboduvanje" na Makedonija zaedno so nejzinite sojuznici - za koj ishodot od taa vojna tie veke odnapred go isplanirale. 

GREEK TERRITORIAL GAINS (1832-1947)

Treaty of Constantinople (1832)

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Map showing the original territory of the Kingdom of Greece as laid down in the Treaty of 1832 (in dark blue)

The Τreaty of Constantinople was the product of the Constantinople Conference which opened in February 1832 with the participation of the Great Powers (the United Kingdom, France and Russia) on the one hand and the Ottoman Empire on the other. The factors which shaped the treaty included the refusal of Léopold King of Belgium to assume the Greek throne. He inter alia was not at all satisfied with the Aspropotamos-Zitouni borderline, which replaced the more favorable Arta-Volos line considered by the Great Powers earlier.

The withdrawal of Léopold as a candidate for the throne of Greece, and the July Revolution in France, delayed the final settlement of the frontiers of the new kingdom until a new government was formed in the United Kingdom. Lord Palmerston, who took over as British Foreign Secretary, agreed to the Arta-Volos borderline. However, the secret note on Crete, which the Bavarian plenipotentiary communicated to the Courts of the United Kingdom, France and Russia, bore no fruit.

Under the protocol signed on May 7, 1832 between Bavaria and the protecting Powers, and basically dealing with the way in which the Regency was to be managed until Otto reached his majority (while also concluding the second Greek loan, for a sum of £2,400,000 sterling), Greece was defined as an independent kingdom, with the Arta-Volos line as its northern frontier. The Ottoman Empire was indemnified in the sum of 40,000,000 piastres for the loss of the territory. The borders of the Kingdom were reiterated in the London Protocol of August 30, 1832 signed by the Great Powers, which ratified the terms of the Constantinople Arrangement in connection with the border between Greece and the Ottoman Empire and marked the end of the Greek War of Independence creating modern Greece as an independent state free of the Ottoman Empire.