Тројство

Templarius напиша: zidarski напиша: trebo.r.a напиша: Fakt No.3: Muslimanskite chlenovi nikogash ne rekle deka doznale sto e Svetoto Trojstvo.ДА ТЕ ПОПРАВАМ НИЕ ВЕЌЕ ДОЗНАВМЕ ШТО Е СВЕТОТО ТРОЈСТВО,И ТОКМУ ОД ТОА ДОЗНАВАЊЕ ВЕЛИМЕ ДЕКА УШТЕ ПОВЕЌЕ НИ СЕ ЗАЈАКНА ВЕРУВАЊЕТО ВО НЕГОВАТА АПОКРИФНОСТ. Тогаш се е во ред. Вие дознавте што е Светото Троиство, не верувате во него, не го прифаќате и сметате дека е апокрифно. Nie pak imam doznaeno sto e islamot i tokmu od toa nie uste povece sme uvereni deka celata vasa religija e apokrifna ..... i ajde sega da se vrtime u krug ko pijani .....

Temava e za Trojstvoto,kade begas samiot od sebesi.
Daj odgovor ako imate,ako ne ne tresite zeleni.


Изменето од svemirski_duh - 21.Мај.2008 во 22:43

zidarski напиша:   И пред раѓањето на Христа Троиството постоело, тоа постоело отсекогаш, прочитајте што напишав погоре - не се тоа три независни единки, тоа е едно.  kako postoelo dali prethodnite pejgmaberi se molele taka ? ne !! navedete kade vo evangelijata se srekava deka prethodnite pejgamberi se mole na toj nacin spomnuvajki go trojstvoto znaci spored denesnite hristijani tie pejgamberi ako ne se molele taka ne se pejgamberi ili se bile na pogresniot pat , bidejki ne se molele na trojstvoto! objasnuvanje!!       ps.23:19 (biblija) ako moze nekoj da mi go prevede i da go komentira

zidarski напиша: Падишах - не очекував од тебе да вадиш цитат од контекст... Објаснив веќе убаво и објаснив зошто пред да се роди Исус луѓето не се ни свесни за Троиството и зошто Троиството е битно како заокружување на Божјето Откровение пред човекот... 23:19 од која книга?!

God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?</TD>

Јас колку што знам никаде во Библијата нема пасус кој говори за Тројството.А најмалку од Исуса.

Изменето од trebo.r.a - 22.Мај.2008 во 00:51

6. If there are three persons, why are there not three Gods?

The co-equal and distinct persons of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not three Gods because they share the same essence in complete unity. This is difficult to grasp because we have no comparison that we can experience empirically or with our five senses.

For example, the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are three distinct persons and beings. They do not share the same essence or being or divine attributes. However, the doctrine of the Trinity says that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit share the same being or essence, and this is where the human example of the three patriarchs and the divine nature must part company. So the human analogy fails to describe the Trinity and would in fact confuse this doctrine if we took the example seriously.

Augustine comes up with an analogy that is deep: the lover, the beloved, and love (The Trinity, Books VIII.14; IX.2, and XV.10). As we saw at the baptism of Jesus, the Father says that he loves the Son, and at that very moment, the Spirit descends and rests on Jesus (see no. 1, above, and Matt. 3:16-17). Augustine seems to say that the Father loves the Son, who receives his love and returns it, for example, in his willingness to obey the Father and die on the cross, while the Spirit communicates the love between them. This image of a triad of love expresses how Christians believe the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit existed before the creation of time and the universe, and how the three persons will forever exist. It is into this love that the Trinity welcomes all believers and all who have received the love of God, through Christ and by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Augustine’s analogy is profound, because we have all experienced love from a lover, and we have returned the same love. But it still does not adequately explain how the one God shares this divine attribute of love and all the other divine attributes in three persons. Our human love is but a poor reflection of divine love. We cannot observe this with our eyes, so all analogies from nature and humanity ultimately fail in illustrating the Trinity. Analogies from nature cannot reach up to heaven so that we can connect them to the Trinity. Our finite and limited mind cannot grasp this mystery, even after our minds have studied the doctrine for years.

To clarify further why there are three persons, but not three Gods, God’s essence is not divided equally into three parts; it is not one-third, plus one-third, plus one-third. Also, the three persons are not added on to God’s essence or being, as if they are tacked on to the outside of God. Rather, all three persons share the same essence, fully God in one being, in total and perfect unity.

Thus, basic Christian doctrine teaches that one God exists in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, not in three Gods, which is called tritheism.

7. However, doesn’t 1 + 1 + 1 = 3? So isn’t belief in the Trinity irrational?

The previous section just asserted that all natural analogies fail, and so do mathematical ones. However, since these questions reflect Muslim polemics against this doctrine (a Muslim emailer wrote this to me), we should get into the mathematical arena and answer them.

First, multiplication works better with integers:

1 x 1 x 1 = 1

Second, the exponent comes out the same:

1na(tretta)3 = 1

Third, how about an infinite number of sets of things? This works better:

Infinity + infinity + infinity = infinity.

Let us say that we add an infinite number of red books to an infinite number of white books, and still add an infinite number of blue books to the red and white books. Despite adding these three sets of infinite numbers of books together, we have not augmented or increased infinity by even one book. Such is the mystery of infinity; we cannot figure it out.

However, these three mathematical analogies of the Trinity ultimately fail because, among other reasons, the three infinite sets of books have different properties, because they do not exist in perfect unity in one essence, and because we do not "add up" or even "multiply" the three persons of the Trinity.

But the infinity analogy does reveal the utter mystery of things that we have never experienced with our five senses. And we have never experienced an actual infinite number of things. Even time is finite, since the so-called Big Bang, which states scientifically that the universe has a beginning.

Thus, infinity is a mystery, and so is the Trinity. Belief in the Trinity is not irrational, but transrational—above our puny minds to figure out, ultimately.


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