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Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer
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Portrait of Fallmerayer (Staatsarchiv Nürnberg).
Portrait of Fallmerayer (Staatsarchiv Nürnberg).

Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer (10 December 1790 – 26 April 1861) was an Tyrolean traveller, journalist, politician and historian, best known for his travel writings and for his racist and antihellenic theories concerning the racial origins of the Greeks of his era.



Following the publication of his Trebizond study, Fallmerayer devoted his scholarly activities to another Greek-speaking region of the Middle Ages, namely, the Morea. In particular, he developed his theory that the ancient, "Hellenic," population of the south Balkans had been replaced during the Migration Period by Slavic peoples. A similar idea had already been proposed by the British traveler William Martin Leake, but Fallmerayer turned it into a theory, which he advocated with characteristic zeal.



he race of the Hellenes has been wiped out in Europe. Physical beauty, intellectual brilliance, innate harmony and simplicity, art, competition, city, village, the splendour of column and temple — indeed, even the name has disappeared from the surface of the Greek continent.... Not the slightest drop of undiluted Hellenic blood flows in the veins of the Christian population of present-day Greece.[4]








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Изменето од Vladimir88 - 23.Декември.2007 во 23:42

The ancient Athenians had been extirpated by repeated wars and massacres and these were mere mongrels, degenerates, and the descendants of slaves

Можеш ли да ми дадеш година кога е ова кажано.
Колку што се сеќавам кога учев по историја откако Персеј(последниот крал на Македонија),ќе ја изгуби битката против Римската Империја нели ќе го заробат и него и неговата фамилија и ќе го оковаат во синџири и ќе го донесат во Рим.Во Рим ќе му залепат една сочна етикета.

Склавин(роб, (slave)).

Soon Rome and Perseus went to war in the Third Macedonian War (171-168 BC)


Ova e godinata na tretata makedonska vojna pomegu Persej i Rim.Ako dobro analiziras on ova sto go kazal go kazal 65 godini posle smrta na Isus ili A.D.

A bitkava sto se slucila bila B.C.(Before Christ).

E sega vidi ti kolkav period e toa i razmisli sto moze da se sluci za tolkav period i sto mislis sto sakam da kazam

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Изменето од Vladimir88 - 24.Декември.2007 во 09:03

borec напиша: Neznam????? Aj kazi, pa ke prodolzam posle.

Pa ova prvoto sto go postirase, toa e podatok koj datira mnogu poodamna od ona sto go kazal ovoj mojov naucnik(komplicirano mu e imeto).

Veke vo tvojot tekst Piso vika deka Naslednicite na Platon,Demostenij i.t.n. bile "iscisteni" preku vojna i.t.n. i deka tie sto se denes(znaci zitelite sto ziveat vo 65 A.D.) se potomci na "slaves".Veke kazav koga go zarobile Persej i koga go odnele vo Rim kakva etiketa mu zalepile (okovan vo sindziri) na nego a podocna i na makedoncite.

Znaci ova e prviot bran na cistenje na naslednicite na Platon i.t.n. i podocna celoto naselenie bilo "zameneto" so antickite makedonci ili "sklavini"...(robovi).


E sega jas ona sto go postirav kazuva za preselbata na slovenite.Tuka pa kazuva ovoj naucnikov deka vo 747 godina ima "terrible pestilence" i celata grcka populacija bila iscistena i na nivno mesto vo 750 godina dosle i slovenite.E sega spored nasata istorija slovenite se naselile samo do granicite na egejot ,podole ne otisle.

Profesorov go vika sosem sprotivnoto.


I vo dvata teksta , dvata profesora, teoricari ne vikaat deka pokraj grckoto i naselenieto vo makedonskoto kralstvo stradalo vika samo grckoto...

Znaci oni veke vo prviot bran se iscisteni mesto niv doagame nie.........sklavinite ili decendants of the slaves.

Vo 747 A.D. ima cuma i toa naselenie(nie) sto bilo tamu bilo iscisteno od cumata i slovenite navlegle uste podlaboko.



Slovenite sakam da kazam duri i da imalo preselbi pak nie sme naslednici na Makedonskoto kralstvo zosto nie sme "pola-pola"


I vo dvata teksta avtorite vikaat deka nemalo cuma vo Makedonija i vo nejzinite geografski,etnicki i bla bla bla granici tuku vikaat deka imalo vo Grcija vrz grckoto naselenie...




Znaci ke ispadne deka denesnive grci nemaat G od antickite grci tuku se cisti sloveni i etiopijani(mesavina).


Dobra e teorijava

Ne sum bash siguren za imeto Sloven, Slav dali e isto sto i Sclavin ili dali se toa ISTI ili razlichni tolkuvanja - na primer Sloven, Slav imenuvani od samite sebe a Sclavin imenuvani od drug (Romanite).  Megutoa EDNO SIGURNO ZNAM deka toa bila zelbata na "Grcite"da ne imenuvaat i predstavat kako slugi vo svetot, kako ODMAZDA na site onie sto TIE IM SLUZELE.

Drugo, TOCHNO e toa deka "Grcite" NEMAAT ni G od Antichkite "Grci" - megutoa jas NEMOZAM DA NAJDAM AMA NIEDNA LOGICHNA POVRZANOST DEKA TIE "GRCI" VOOPSHTO POSTOELE KAKO NACIJA ILI NAROD.  Mnogu prochitani textovi za niv i razgovori po forumi so niv me navele do OVA moe mislenje, megu koi i ovie;

- Na nivna web-strana za nivnta "Athens History" - pishuva vaka;

Prehistoric Athens (4,000 – 1,600 BC) 

Athens Before History (5000-1500)

http://www.anagnosis.gr/index.php?pageID=220&la=eng

At the beginning of the second millennium B.C. Greek-speaking people, sometimes called Achaeans, first entered Greece from the north. The Athenians always distinguished themselves from non-Greek-speaking people, whom they usually referred to as Pelasgians. It is not known whether they massacred them, drove them out, or subjugated them. Traces of their non-Hellenic tongue are still to be found in many of the topographical names of Attica. Even the name 'Athens' itself does not appear to be Greek. Topographical names with the forms '-ssos' and '-ttos', such as Kifissos, Ilissos, Ardettos, Lykabettos and Hymettos, are also believed to belong to the pre-Greek language once spoken in Attica. This extensive adoption of existing topographical names by the Greek-speaking incomers, together with later claims by the Athenians to represent the indigenous inhabitants of the area, suggests that in Attica the invaders did not drive out or massacre their predecessors, but cohabited with them.

Megu drugoto, mene mi e interesen pochetokot, kade veli deka; Na pochetokot od vtorata milenija PNE Grchki-zboruvahkiot narod, ponekokash narekuvan Achaeans, za prv pat vlegoa vo Grcija od Sever.  Pa sega tuka se prashuvam; Kako moze "Grcki" veke da zboruvaat USHTE NE VLEZENI VO "GRCIJA" (i koja e taa Grcija bez "Grci") a AKO VEKE ZBORUVALE GRCHKI sto i den denes e isti so togashniot (chudo nekoe pak) OD KOJA ZEMJA DOSHLE STO VEKE GO ZBORUVALA OVOJ "GRCHKI"JAZIK?????

Ponatamu veli;  Athinjanite sekogash pravele razlika od ne zboruvachite na Grchki jazik, od koi tie chestopati gi imenuvale kako Pelasgians.  Ne e poznato sto se luchilo so niv, dali gi masakrirale, gi izbrkale ili gi ugnetile. Tuka si kazuvaat deka NE SE prvite sto doshle na toj prostor kako sto se pravat a i shiroko poznato e deka Pela-zgite se Makedonsko pleme. Vprochem  kako i Pela-goncite, sprema koi podocna bila i imenuvana Makedonskata predstolnina Pela.

Vo prodolzenie od nivnata istorija pishuva za;

Hellenistic Athens 

Athens Under the Macedonians (339-168) 

Despite the benefits of the peace imposed by the Macedonians, the call of freedom proved irresistible, and on Alexander's early death in June 323 B.C. the southern Greeks, including the Athenians, rebelled against Macedonian rule. Feeling against the Northerners was so strong in Athens that Aristotle considered it prudent to retire to Chalkis. Under the leadership of Leosthenes, the rebels forced Antipater to retire Lamia, where he was besieged. During the course of siege operations Leosthenes was killed, and reinforcements from Macedonia forced the lifting of the siege. The Macedonian fleet defeated the Athenians at Abydos and Amorgos; while the southern Greeks decisively defeated in battle on land by Antipater and Krateros at Kranon in Thessaly in August 322. The future of Athens and all of southern Greece was to remain at the mercy of the vagaries of Macedonian politics.

Znachi si priznavaat deka BILE pod Makedonska okupacija (pod Makedonci, znachi narod), i deka smrtta na Alexandar ja ISKORISTILE za OSLOBODUVANJE od Makedoncite.

Isto taka, vo prodolzenie, MNOGU INTERESEN PODATOK E I POPISOT NAPRAVEN POSLE SMRTTA NA ALEXANDAR na naselenieto na Athens;

"Demetrios held a census of the population, which revealed that at that time there were 21,000 citizens, 10,000 foreign residents and 400,000 slaves. No one can explain the huge number of slaves, even taking into account the numbers employed at Laurion, and most authorities believe his assessment to have been simply inaccurate."

Kade se veli deka, zitelite sto ja sochinuvale Athina bil sostaven od; 21,000 gragjani, 10,000 stranski drzavjani i 400,000 SLUGI?????  Sto kako nadopolnuvanje na PREDHODNATA diskusija USHTE POVEKE se prodlabochuva (vraka nanazad POTEKLOTO NA "GRCITE") znachi USHTE ZA VREME NA ALEXANDAR tie bile SOSTAV OD SLUGI-ETHIOPJANI (preovladuvajki so brojkata od 400,000 NAPREMA SAMO 25,000 gragjani.

Taka da sega PAK se postavuva prashanjeto DALI toa odenje nanazad nekogas prestanuva so dokaz deka Classic-Greeks NEKOGASH POSTOELE????

Kako odgovor na ovaa moe mislenje DEKA NE POSTOELE KLASICHNI-GRCI tuku toa bile DRUGI LUGE najverojatno PAK nekoe Makedonsko pleme - povrzav nekolku raboti;

Od etimologija na zborot "Greece";

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"O.E. Crecas (pl.), early Gmc. borrowing from L. Græci "the Hellenes," from Gk. Grakoi. Aristotle, who was the first to use Graikhos as equivalent to Hellenes ("Meteorologica" I.xiv) wrote that it was the name originally used by Illyrians for the Dorians in Epirus, from Graii, native name of the people of Epirus."  Spored prvite zapishani podatoci, zborot Grci bil prv pat UPOTREBEN od Aristotel za imenuvanje na Grcite-Grci.  Tuka se postavuva prashanjeto; Kako moze DURI togash da pochnat da go koristat TOA IME za niv, PA NELI CLASSIC-GREEK postoel ushte PRED vremeto na Aristotel????    Megutoa na ova SE SETIL i nekoj drug pred mene - PA ZATOA "GRCITE" posle 1830 god. posle formiranjeto na drzava "Grcija" za prv pat , go promenuva ovoj zapis za da ODGOVARA NA NIVNATA PRIKAZNA ZA CLASSIK-GREECE (vo dolnoto prodolzenie e taa verzija).

"But a modern theory (put forth by Ger. classical historian Georg Busolt, 1850-1920), derives it from Graikhos "inhabitant of Graia" (lit. "gray"), a town on the coast of Boeotia, which was the name given by the Romans to all Greeks, originally to the Gk. colonists from Graia who helped found Cumae (9c. B.C.E.), the important city in southern Italy where the Latins first encountered Greeks. It was reborrowed in this general sense by the Greeks. Meaning "unintelligible speech, gibberish" is from 1600. Meaning "Greek letter fraternity member" is student slang, 1900."  E sega tuka OVAA PRIKAZNA veli deka TOA IME go dobile od Rimjanite, spored naselenieto, kolonisti od gradot Graia (a koj i kade e toj Grad??  I ako veke imale grad po nivno ime NEMALO POTEBA Rimjanite da gi imenuvaat, neli??) sto doshle (SPECIJALNO za toa) da im "pomognat" vo izgradbata na gradot Cumae,  duri vo 9-ti Vek PNE. Znachi sega se poklopuva so prikaznata za Classik-Greece, megutoa zaboravaat deka TIE VEKE KAZAA DEKA DOSHLE VO "GRCIJA" od Sever a ne od Jug.  Ili pak mozebi ja preskoknale "Grcija" prvin, otishle vo Italija da im "pomognat" pa okoga TIE KI KRSTILE se vratile vo "Grcija" i si rekle " E, sega koga mozevme cel grad da napravime za edna Clasichna-Grcija NE E PROBLEM, normalno da funkcioniraat kako grad-drzavi samo de.

"It was subtle of God to learn Greek when he wished to become an author -- and not to learn it better." [Nietzsche, "Beyond Good and Evil," 1886]"  Ovde si laskaat SAMI NA SEBE, kako protiv odbrana na Rimjanskata UVREDA za nivniot jazik.

Greek gift is from "Æneid," II.49: "timeo Danaos et dona ferentes." The Gmc. languages originally borrowed the word with an initial -k- sound (cf. O.H.G. Chrech, Goth. Kreks), which was probably their initial sound closest to the Latin -g- at the time; the word was later refashioned.

Изменето од borec - 24.Декември.2007 во 16:02

Sto e sledno vo "Grchkata" agenda (izvadok od gorenavedeniot text);

•  Greeks' perspectives on outsiders (Ottoman v. Western European identities)  




Изменето од borec - 27.Декември.2007 во 11:58

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