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Originally posted by Igor888 Igor888 напиша:

Thank you Macedon. I will find.


You are welcome Igor888. Whatever question you have, always feel free to ask.

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Добра вечер! Влегувам во клучни зборови за да обрнете внимание на датумот, но скенирањето не започне. Можеби сум направил нешто погрешно?
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Originally posted by Igor888 Igor888 напиша:

Добра вечер! Влегувам во клучни зборови за да обрнете внимание на датумот, но скенирањето не започне. Можеби сум направил нешто погрешно?


Добровечер Игор!

Веројатно зборуваш за одлуките на Основениот суд Скопје 2. И јас го имам истиот проблем.

Пробај преку пребарувачот Internet Explorer, а доколку и така не успееш, тогаш каде што пишува ПРЕБАРУВАЊЕ напиши стечај и така ќе ти ги отвори сите предмети каде што се споменува стечајот.
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Big Thanks Македон!
Проблемот сум со суд Скопје 1. Ако замрзна сметката на крајот на јуни 2010 година, додека стечајниот случај поднесена во јуни 2010 година, но обвинителството би можеле да произлезат и јули, Аугуста, 2010 година, или во истиот период како и на стечајните? Според некои судски одлуки, можам само да се претпостави дека статутот на ограничувања имате било 6 години. Имаме Кодексот на парнична постапка предвидува 3 години, но постои посебна статутот на ограничувања од 1 до 3 месеци, а некои од тие барања не се применуваат.
По неговото ослободување од затвор, лицето има ограничувања во преминување на границата, да патуваат во други држави? ако е така, надворешно-трговската размена, тој не може да се спроведе, или само преку нивните претставници?
Не ми е јасно еден од членовите Прочитав дека вашиот затвори ги исполнуваат европските стандарди, па мојот пријател да ја користите конекцијата, интернет или мобилен телефон, туку и во другите весници се пишува за лошата состојба на затворите, всушност, како што го имаме.
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Originally posted by Igor888 Igor888 напиша:

Big Thanks Македон!
Проблемот сум со суд Скопје 1. Ако замрзна сметката на крајот на јуни 2010 година, додека стечајниот случај поднесена во јуни 2010 година, но обвинителството би можеле да произлезат и јули, Аугуста, 2010 година, или во истиот период како и на стечајните? Според некои судски одлуки, можам само да се претпостави дека статутот на ограничувања имате било 6 години. Имаме Кодексот на парнична постапка предвидува 3 години, но постои посебна статутот на ограничувања од 1 до 3 месеци, а некои од тие барања не се применуваат.
По неговото ослободување од затвор, лицето има ограничувања во преминување на границата, да патуваат во други држави? ако е така, надворешно-трговската размена, тој не може да се спроведе, или само преку нивните претставници?
Не ми е јасно еден од членовите Прочитав дека вашиот затвори ги исполнуваат европските стандарди, па мојот пријател да ја користите конекцијата, интернет или мобилен телефон, туку и во другите весници се пишува за лошата состојба на затворите, всушност, како што го имаме.


Igor, I will write in English because Google translate does not translate everything correctly from Macedonian to English.

According to what your wrote, I assume that you ask about criminal procedure. If a criminal procedure is going against a person, the judge can decide to "freeze" the accounts and the property of the person or legal entity that is charged. The freezing can last until the end of the criminal procedure, but every two months, the justification of the decision about the freezing of the property would be reviewed. That is according to article 220 of the Law of criminal procedure. According to paragraph 2 of article 223 an appеal is permitted to that decision, of which a special council will decide.

If a person serves the sentence fully, for example the prison sentence there is not a reason the person not to travel. That person may be forbidden from engaging in certain activity, but with a verdict from the court. If a person which is forbid with a court verdict that forbids the person from engaging in certain activity, the penalty is in force after serving the sentence. This kind of penalty can last from 1 to 10 years.

In our prisons there is no internet, cell phones are not allowed, but they are allowed to make phone calls from the prison phones. Our prisons have not achieved the European standards.

And if another procedure is going on, in the same time as the criminal one, the judge can bring a decision to stop the procedure until the criminal court decides about the criminal offence, and after that, will have to take into consideration that verdict when deciding about the role of the person in the bankruptcy of the legal entity. So if the criminal procedure decides that a person is innocent when it comes to, for example, issues connected with property of a legal entity, the civil court can not decide otherwise.

P.S. I forgot to mention that if another question is raised during a criminal procedure takes place, and that question is connected to the criminal offence of which the person is charged, the criminal court can decide for that question, from which the criminal procedure depends.

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Macedon, I am sincerely grateful to you, thanks to your help I have a picture occurred to my friend.
If there is a debt on payment of a salary and the state freezes accounts company - this situation is more similar to criminal legal proceedings.   
I am familiar with your Law on execution of punishments. According to which, the prisoner has the right to annual holiday in number of 15 days. The prisoner voluntarily chooses these days?
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Originally posted by Igor888 Igor888 напиша:

Macedon, I am sincerely grateful to you, thanks to your help I have a picture occurred to my friend.
If there is a debt on payment of a salary and the state freezes accounts company - this situation is more similar to criminal legal proceedings.   
I am familiar with your Law on execution of punishments. According to which, the prisoner has the right to annual holiday in number of 15 days. The prisoner voluntarily chooses these days?
Through the Internet Explorer I managed to open page. Thanks.


You are welcome Igor.

Freezing of the property is stipulated in the criminal legal proceedings according to the Law of criminal procedure as one of the measurements of security, but it is also stipulated in the Law of bankruptcy as a measurement of security, with the difference that when it comes to bankruptcy there is a possibility to govern the property with a decision of the trustee or the bankruptcy judge. In criminal procedure there is no such possibility. And if there is a bankruptcy procedure, in that procedure the creditors will put their requirements before the court. So there would not be a problem the creditors to achieve their requests.

According to the Law on the execution of sanctions, the person has right of 15 days of absence in one year with the only limitation of maximum three days in a month.


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In are a Kavardachi there is a prison?
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Originally posted by Igor888 Igor888 напиша:

In are a Kavardachi there is a prison?


No,according to the Law of the execution of sanctions, there is not a prison in Kavadarci.
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It means that the probability being of my friend in prison is insignificant...very small. Its very good!
Thanks Makedon.
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Good evening Macedon.Principle of activity of the enterprises, legal forms... have much in common.
Liquidation of the legal person is possible under the decision of its participants, or on a judgement, in case of a recognition of the state registration to declare invalid. This kind of liquidation is regulated by the Civil code and some laws but if it is not enough property of the legal person for repayment of a creditor debt liquidation process occurs according to the law on restoration of solvency of the debtor or a recognition its bankrupt. From among economic societies we also have a full society - in which its participants answer solidary on society debts with all property, special partnership- actually isn't present, a society with the limited responsibility - the participant can bear responsibility for the debts the share in a society, the joint-stock company answers only on the debts, shareholders don't bear responsibility for society debts. There are also other forms of a society, less widespread at us.
The physical person-businessman answers on debts with all property.
According to the Law «About restoration of solvency of the debtor and whether recognitions» to the debtor are applied by its bankrupt next stages of bankruptcy: the order property of the debtor, the agreement of lawsuit, sanitation of the debtor, bankrupt liquidation.
Liquidator gives to committee of creditors the sanitation plan if there are investors, also it is coordinated with investors. The sanitation plan contains ways of restoration of solvency of the debtor: enterprise re-structuring, a choice of other profile, closing of unprofitable manufactures, a delay or the installments of payments or their pardon (write-off) of a part of a debt-agreement of lawsuit, debt receivable liquidation, sale of a part of property of the debtor, reception of the credit for payment of the severance pay to workers which are subject to dismissal, it agree the sanitation plan, transfer by the investor of a debt of the debtor … The economic court the definition confirms the plan of sanitation of the debtor. Enterprise sanitation can be appointed to term of 12 months, in case of expediency of +6 months.
Also in validity sanitation to act moratorium on satisfaction of creditor requirements-terminations of payment operates with the debtor of liabilities and obligatory payments which was till moratorium introduction, actions directed on maintenance of these obligations, and also payments of taxes and tax collections (obligatory payments) which was till the moratorium. After the expiry of the term of sanitation creditors and operating sanitation brings an action written statement to court: 1. The termination of procedure of sanitation, in connection with solvency restoration debtor.2. - - , recognitions of the debtor the bankrupt and opening of liquidating procedure debtor.3. - -, + the agreement of lawsuit.
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Originally posted by Igor888 Igor888 напиша:

Good evening Macedon.Principle of activity of the enterprises, legal forms... have much in common.
Liquidation of the legal person is possible under the decision of its participants, or on a judgement, in case of a recognition of the state registration to declare invalid. This kind of liquidation is regulated by the Civil code and some laws but if it is not enough property of the legal person for repayment of a creditor debt liquidation process occurs according to the law on restoration of solvency of the debtor or a recognition its bankrupt. From among economic societies we also have a full society - in which its participants answer solidary on society debts with all property, special partnership- actually isn't present, a society with the limited responsibility - the participant can bear responsibility for the debts the share in a society, the joint-stock company answers only on the debts, shareholders don't bear responsibility for society debts. There are also other forms of a society, less widespread at us.
The physical person-businessman answers on debts with all property.
According to the Law «About restoration of solvency of the debtor and whether recognitions» to the debtor are applied by its bankrupt next stages of bankruptcy: the order property of the debtor, the agreement of lawsuit, sanitation of the debtor, bankrupt liquidation.
Liquidator gives to committee of creditors the sanitation plan if there are investors, also it is coordinated with investors. The sanitation plan contains ways of restoration of solvency of the debtor: enterprise re-structuring, a choice of other profile, closing of unprofitable manufactures, a delay or the installments of payments or their pardon (write-off) of a part of a debt-agreement of lawsuit, debt receivable liquidation, sale of a part of property of the debtor, reception of the credit for payment of the severance pay to workers which are subject to dismissal, it agree the sanitation plan, transfer by the investor of a debt of the debtor … The economic court the definition confirms the plan of sanitation of the debtor. Enterprise sanitation can be appointed to term of 12 months, in case of expediency of +6 months.
Also in validity sanitation to act moratorium on satisfaction of creditor requirements-terminations of payment operates with the debtor of liabilities and obligatory payments which was till moratorium introduction, actions directed on maintenance of these obligations, and also payments of taxes and tax collections (obligatory payments) which was till the moratorium. After the expiry of the term of sanitation creditors and operating sanitation brings an action written statement to court: 1. The termination of procedure of sanitation, in connection with solvency restoration debtor.2. - - , recognitions of the debtor the bankrupt and opening of liquidating procedure debtor.3. - -, + the agreement of lawsuit.


Good evening to you too Igor.
According to what you wrote, the liquidation process in the Ukrainian law is arranged on the same way as in the Macedonian law, with the difference that we do not have Civil code, but many laws that cover the civil law in Macedonia. Also, when an enterprise is not solvent for a period of time, bankruptcy is necessary, which is processed according to the Law of bankruptcy.

The full society here is the LTD, or as we call it public trade society, and the others I mentioned in the personal message to you. The physical person answers with all his property too.

Everything you wrote is the same as the our Law of bankruptcy stipulates, except that we call the plan a plan for reorganization.

Also, the creditors must report their requirements to the liquidator in a specific time, after which they do not have the right to report the requirement, and would have to start a litigation. The litigation is urgent.

Also, when it comes to the creditors, all creditors' requirements are arranged into ranks, so some requirements have priority over the others. The highest rank have the net salaries, the compensations that have to be paid for the last three months before the opening of the bankruptcy procedure, and the compensation for the unused vacation for that year. Then comes the interests of the requirements of the liquidator, fines that have to be paid for certain criminal or other type of offence, and expenses that for some creditors may appear with their participation in the process.

Also, the reorganization must occur after the debtor pays what he owes, and it is not essential. A plan for reorganization must be submitted by the persons that have the authorization. The plan itself is not limited with a specific time by the law, but the plan itself contains time for which it must be applied. After that reorganization, the enterprise may function, but it is not necessary, because the plan may predict something else.
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Good evening Makedon. You can explain to me as your legal system is building?
We have the Constitution the main law . The civil code which establishes main principles property and not property relations as physical and legal bodies. The family code, the Economic code, Ground.... Are accepted taking into account the constitution and positions of the civil code, shouldn't contradict them, are special laws and in more details regulate corresponding legal relationship. The criminal code, the Housing, Labour code also are special laws. Further on legal value there are laws, and further under law
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Originally posted by Igor888 Igor888 напиша:

Good evening Makedon. You can explain to me as your legal system is building?
We have the Constitution the main law . The civil code which establishes main principles property and not property relations as physical and legal bodies. The family code, the Economic code, Ground.... Are accepted taking into account the constitution and positions of the civil code, shouldn't contradict them, are special laws and in more details regulate corresponding legal relationship. The criminal code, the Housing, Labour code also are special laws. Further on legal value there are laws, and further under law


Good evening Igor!
Тhe Constitution is the highest legal act in our country. All laws must be in accordance with the Constitution.

When it comes to the civil matter, we have many laws, but not codes. We have the Law of property and other real rights, which regulates the ownership and the other real rights, but only when it comes to objects, no matter real estate or movable objects. There are also many other laws like Law of agricultural land, Law of constructional land, Law of waters, Law of cemeteries, Law of denationalization (connected with returning of the properties taken by the communist regime) and many other laws.

The obligations are arranged by the Law of obligational relations. It arranges the agreements and compensations. When it comes to trade agreements, this law is general, and if there is a special law, the special law is applied.

Also, part of the civil law is the Law of succession, which regulates the succession, the successors, the parts of the successors, the order as they succeed and other things.

When it comes to criminal law, we have a code, the Penal code, but when it comes to minors committing criminal offences, we have the Law of minor justice.

The judiciary is regulated by laws that regulate the kind and competence of courts, laws for lawyers and prosecutors, also laws concerning the criminal and civil procedure.

We also have many laws concerning administration, taxes, police and many others.

The bylaws include rules, guides, orders and other legal acts, and are brought by the Government and the Ministries.

Here also can not exist contradictions between the Constitution and the laws. If there are such, one may send an initiative to the Constitutional Court to review and make a decision if a law is according to Constitution.

Also, if there are some unclear things between the special and general laws, we use the rules for interpretation: lex specialis derogat generalis, lex posteriori derogat priori and etc. Of course, we have continental law, and the jurisprudence is not a formal source of the law here, but it helps in things like resolving unclear things between laws.
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