М.Н.П. против Големобугарски пропаганди

дуле напиша: mamamd напиша: ...dule..dule... aj samo ushte ova i se odjavuvam od politika... mene poveke mi lezi obrazovanie... sporenjeto okolu jazicite... vlashkiot jazik e latinski... i tuka ne mozesh da sporish... kako shto ne mozesh da sporish deka vo bugarskiot jazik barem 10 % zborovi se prezemeni od vlashkiot... mozam da ti gi napisham i da ti gi prevedam... bidejki vlashkiot alijas latinskiot e sostaven od izrazi... koi laicite kako tebe ne gi razbiraat...shto ne e greda... covek ne moze se da znae... okolu makedonskiot jazik... standardiziranjeto na jazicite kaj pogolemiot broj zemji... e izvrshena vo 20 vek... makedonskiot negde 1945 god. no toa neznaci deka nemalo naroden jazik... aj vashiot ...na bugarskiot... e standardiziran negde porano 1878 god. koga si sozdadovte nezavisnost grckiot... pak 1976 godina katerevusa/demotiki vonka... ...e sega nekoi zemji ..bidejki tebe zvezda vodilka vo negiranjeto na vlashkite/makedonskite korenja ti e jazikot na koj zboruvale makedonskite dejci...nemaat "svoj jazik"... ja ti gi amerikancite, avstralijcite... i da ne nabrojuvam... nemaat svoj jazik...zboruvaat angliski... pa ne se pomalku amerikanci... avstralijci... hrvatite koi zboruvaat po Vuk karadzik ne se pomalku Hrvati... zatoa ostaj ni gi na mira nash*te dejci... i te molam nemoj da gi narekuvash ruski shpioni... ... i te molam... ako vo tebe ima malku covecnost...i vo sebe imash malku pocit kon Vlasite... ne mavtaj na forumov so Alipasha...bidejki toj e krvnikot koj gi unishti Vlasite... toa e kako na Evreite im maftash so Hitler... mislam deka malku znaesh istorija i znaesh shto napravi Alipasha...zatoa reteriraj... ne pravi zlo onamu kaj shto ne treba... ne stavaj sol na otvorena rana... Чекаj малце... нали не мислиш што jас нарекувам Миладиновци "руски шпиони"? Неее... моите постови беха во отрекуване на таа версиjа. Родольубието не е агенство во полза на таа или друга држава. Миладиновци са несправедливо обвинети за руски агенти от грцките фанариоти

Па тоа не се грчки извори горе...тоа се бугарски извори..??
Само се прашувам што си купил со тие парички Димитар Миладинов ?
Само ај сега......можеби сега ќе испадне и дека Александар Македонски е закопан на Беласица, Роксана бугарска принцеза, а Исус распнат во Охрид
Донски,Б.Ц.,Игор Шема, Божидар Димитров..
WTF што ни станува државава

Изменето од Vladimir88 - 07.Мај.2008 во 15:43

Влади зашто просто не прочетеш тук:

. .. The correspondence extends over a period of five years; and it show that this agent has been in frequent communication with parties in Russia and at Constantinople, with the monks on Mount Athos, with Russian Consuls, and with Bulgarians in every part of Turkey in Europe. The principal aim appears to have been to bring the Greek Hierarchy into discredit in the eyes of the Bulgarians, with the view to the universal substitution of Bulgarian for Greek Prelates. Among other instructions this Propagandist emissary is directed to act in concert with Manchovich, whose arrest I reported; in a previous dispatch (№ 9), and he is mentioned as if he was likewise an instrument of action. Miladenoff is enjoined not to thwart Manchovich in his efforts to induce the Bulgarians to unite themselves to the Church of Rome, because every other consideration must give room to the one object in view, that of detatching Bulgarians from the Greek Church.


но после:


...Demetrius Miladinoff is the same person to whom I have adverted in my Dispatch 10, of the 3rd of April last, as having been arrested by the Turkish Authorities on suspicion of his being an Agent of the Russian Propaganda in Roumelia. The report went out at the time that an examination of his private papers seized left no doubt of the fact. Subsequently, however, various circumstances have transpired which induce me to believe that Miladinoff is rather the victim of a politico-religious persecution on the part of the Greek Clergy, and particularly on that of the Archbishop at Monastir. This prelate has had the free inspection of all this man's private papers, and it was through his mouth that the interpretation of what he discovered therein reached the executive Authorities. The Archbishop, of course, put his own construction upon it. It would appear that Miladinoff is a patriotic Bulgarian who had laboured assiduously to relieve his countrymen from the thraldom of the Fanariote Church by advocating their secession from it, and the foundation of a Bulgarian National Church. He naturally made himself an object against which the Greek Clergy directed the whole weight of their political influence. Russian propagandism is the bugbear of the Turkish officiais, and it sufficed to set up that pretext for the Archbishop to procure the arrest of Miladinoff.He then succeeded, so far as the Turkish Authorities were concerned, in justifying his accusation by what he himself picked out of his victim's private correspondence, and explained. Not having myself seen any portion of that correspondence I am unable to state the degree of development Miladinoff's connection, as was reported, with Russians, both in and out of Russia had assumed at the period of his arrest.
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Vladimir88 напиша: COLOR] Имаш потврда и од Чарлс Калверт.. Врти сучи колку и да мачкаш има докази дека они биле руски агенти.....

рапортот на Charles Calvert завршва со: ...The question whether Miladinoff has been guilty of anything like treason, or has in any way promoted a leaning towards Russia among his countrymen, could only be set at rest by instituting a searching but dispassionate inquiry which, in fact, seems to be the object of his wife's appeal.

Ами това е вопросот. Да си обвинет че си агент не значи што си таков. Тоа требе да се докаже со влезла во сила присуда. Да си чул дали има присуда? Миладиновци са били убиени во затворот преди изопшто да има дело. И какви са доказателствата? Што брат му на Димитар е учил во Русиjа? Што Димитар е имал кореспонденциjа со руски консули и други државници? И што од ова? По твоjата логика и Мисирков треба да е руски агент штото е служил при рускиот консул Ростковски а и сам е учил и живел во Русиjа.
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P.S. Иисус Христос е бил обвинет и осуден.... но дали ке смееш да правиш паралели?

Vladimir88 напиша: Види, што сакаш мисли.... Ајде нека биде по твое не биле руски агенти Што се однесува до мене Јас си останувам на својот став зошто не се само овие извештаи..

Taka e Vladimire.

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