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Тројца од уапсените за тероризам во САД се од Македонија
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Можен е атентат врз патријархот Вартоломеј Генералниот
секретар на Светскиот совет на црквите Самуел Кобиа предупреди на можни
обиди за убиства на вселенскиот патријарх Вартоломеј и ерменскиот
патријарх на Истанбул, соопштува атинскиот весник "Вима".
Предупредувањето се содржело во писмо што на 1 мај му било предадено на
раководителот на мисијата на Турција во ОН. Во него, по повод
случувањата во Турција, се настојувало да бидат преземени мерки на
заштита на религиозните малцинства во земјата. "Во
последните месеци се регистрирани закани против животот на двајцата
црковни лидери во Турција, кои се членови на Светскиот совет на црквите
- Вселенскиот патријарх Вартоломеј Први и ерменскиот патријарх на
Истанбул Месроп Втори", се вели во писмото на Самуел Кобиа. |
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oblachinja
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ova e isto kako i koga Bogorodica plache...i zashto samo marija plache,a ne plache na primer nekoj drug svetec
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На човек да му згади од ваквото празнословие...
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НЕОБИЧНА ПОЈАВА ВО ХРВАТСКА Ликот на Богородица на кора од орев Набрзо по прикажувањето на ликот на Мајката Божја, на стеблото се оцртале уште две контури во форма на срце, од кои едното е прободено Ликот на Богородица, кој се прикажал во кората на едно стебло од
орев покрај семејната куќа на 41-годишната Здравка Сударевиќ од Кањижа,
оддалечено 15-тина километри од Славонски Брод, секојдневно привлекува
голем број верници и љубопитни луѓе, пренесуваат хрватските медиуми.
Здравка Сударевиќ го препознала ликот на Богородица на стеблото кога во
дворот ги вршела вообичаените утрински работи и одеднаш во длабочината
на душата почувствувала внатрешен повик дека треба да отиде до оревот и
да види нешто. |
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rome
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ne ne sultan ne sne stalno pred pc no nekoi kako mene zaboravaat da se iskluchat od forumot
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Zaljubena vo Hristos nashiot Edinstven Spasitel
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oblachinja
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Mislam deka imalo,ama jas dramata ja imam chitano
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аџија
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имало и филм за ова? |
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oblachinja
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Za vakov eden spektakl na katolichkite sveshtenici zboruva dramata"Glorija"od Ranko Marinkovic................istoto ova e prisutno..Bogorodica shto plache,eden cirkus shto gostuva vo gradot i katedrala vo koja se odigruva se i seshto |
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јас лично, не верувам во божествениот извор на ваквата фатаморгана...
Значи не навлегувам во тоа дали се случило нешто мистериозно, или не, туку навлегувам едноставно во тоа, дали Господ е толку „мизерен“ и „мал“ да се занимава со вакви глупости? Според мене категорично НЕ! ГОСПОД се занимава со суштината на вселената и со суштината на човековото битисување... а не со спектакли за во циркус... |
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temata solzite na bogorodica na forenzicka analiza, e premestena ovde, kade sto mislam deka i mestoto...
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rome
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за такви нешта не верувам оти је од Госпо.да не заборавиме оти и ѓаволот можи да прај чуда.ама Господовите чуда несе преку икони и споменици туку се со и на луѓе.затоа јас се пазам оти несакам да верувам во ѓаволски чуда.
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Zaljubena vo Hristos nashiot Edinstven Spasitel
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Mindy
Профил од член
Испрати лична порака
Најди пораки од член
Посети го сајтот на членот
Додај во листа на пријатели
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Статуата на Богородица во баварскиот град Херолдсбах пред две недели
почна да плаче, а 60 луѓе кои отидоа да го видат тоа чудо тврдат дека
станува збор за вистински солзи.
Сите, освен локалниот свештеник Дитрих фон Стокхаусен, одлучија солзите да бидат испратени во форензичка лабораторија за да се утврди за што станува збор. - Кога небото ќе сака да ни испрати некој знак, тоа ќе биде нешто што сите ќе можеме лесно да го разбереме. Тоа нема да биде вака нејасна работа со која лесно може да се манипулира, изјави отец Фон Стокхаусен. Veruvate li ova sto se lsucilo ili sepak se izmislici ? p.s. ne znaev dali temata da ja otvoram tuka ili vo Misterii i astrologija |
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A
letter to the Dear friends, This past week has been filled with much sorrow.
Many of you have heard by now of our devastating loss here in an event that
took place in Malatya, a Turkish province On Wednesday morning, April 18, 2007, 46 year old German
missionary and father of three Tilman Geske prepared to go to his office,
kissing his wife goodbye taking a moment to hug his son and give him the
priceless memory, “Goodbye, son. I love
you.” Tilman rented an office space from Zirve Publishing
where he was preparing notes for the new Turkish Study Bible. Zirve was also the location of the None of these three men knew that what awaited them at
the Bible study was the ultimate testing and application of their faith, which
would conclude with their entrance into glory to receive their crown of
righteousness from Christ and honor from all the saints awaiting them in the
Lord’s presence. On Resurrection Sunday, five men had been to a
by-invitation-only evangelistic service that Pastor Necati and his men had
arranged at a hotel conference room in the city. The men were known to the believers as
“seekers.” No one knows what happened in
the hearts of those men as they listened to the gospel. Were they touched by the Holy Spirit? Were they convicted of sin? Did they hear the gospel in their heart of
hearts? Today we only have the beginning
of their story. These young men, one of whom is the son of a mayor in
the The young men got guns, breadknives, ropes and towels
ready for their final act of service to Allah.
They knew there would be a lot of blood.
They arrived in time for the Bible Study, around 10 o’clock. They arrived, and apparently the Bible Study began. Reportedly,
after Necati read a chapter from the Bible the assault began. The boys tied Ugur, Necati, and Tilman’s
hands and feet to chairs and as they videoed their work on their cellphones,
they tortured our brothers for almost three hours* [Details
of the torture-- *
Tilman was stabbed 156 times, Necati 99 times and Ugur’s stabs were too numerous
to count. They were disemboweled, and
their intestines sliced up in front of their eyes. They were emasculated and watched as those
body parts were destroyed. Fingers were
chopped off, their noses and mouths and anuses were sliced open. Possibly the worst part was watching as their
brothers were likewise tortured. Finally,
their throats were sliced from ear to ear, heads practically decapitated.] Neighbors in workplaces near the printhouse said later
they had heard yelling, but assumed the owners were having a domestic argument
so they did not respond. Meanwhile, another believer Gokhan and his wife had a
leisurely morning. He slept in till 10,
ate a long breakfast and finally around 12:30 he and his wife arrived at the
office. The door was locked from the
inside, and his key would not work. He
phoned and though it had connection on his end he did not hear the phone
ringing inside. He called cell phones of
his brothers and finally Ugur answered his phone. “We are not at the office. Go to the hotel meeting. We are there.
We will come there,” he said cryptically. As Ugur spoke Gokhan heard in the telephone’s
background weeping and a strange snarling sound. He phoned the police, and the nearest officer arrived in
about five minutes. He pounded on the
door, “Police, open up!” Initially the
officer thought it was a domestic disturbance.
At that point they heard another snarl and a gurgling moan. The police understood that sound as human
suffering, prepared the clip in his gun and tried over and over again to burst
through the door. One of the frightened
assailants unlocked the door for the policeman, who entered to find a grisly
scene. Tilman and Necati had been slaughtered, practically
decapitated with their necks slit from ear to ear. Ugur’s throat was likewise
slit and he was barely alive. Three assailants in front of the policeman dropped their
weapons. Meanwhile Gokhan heard a sound of yelling in the
street. Someone had fallen from their
third story office. Running down, he
found a man on the ground, whom he later recognized, named Emre Gunaydin. He had massive head trauma and, strangely,
was snarling. He had tried to climb down
the drainpipe to escape, and losing his balance had plummeted to the
ground. It seems that he was the main
leader of the attackers. Another
assailant was found hiding on a lower balcony.
To
untangle the web we need to back up six years.
In April 2001, the National Security Council of Turkey (Milli Guvenlik
k*rulu) began to consider evangelical Christians as a threat to national
security, on equal footing as Al Quaida and PKK terrorism. Statements made in the press by political
leaders, columnists and commentators have fueled a hatred against missionaries
who they claim bribe young people to change their religion. After
that decision in 2001, attacks and threats on churches, pastors and Christians
began. Bombings, physical attacks,
verbal and written abuse are only some of the ways Christians are being
targetted. Most significant is the use
of media propaganda. From
December 2005, after having a long meeting regarding the Christian threat, the
wife of Former Prime Minister Ecevit, historian Ilber Ortayli, Professor Hasan
Unsal, Politician Ahmet Tan and writer/propogandist Aytunc Altindal, each in
their own profession began a campaign to bring the public’s attention to the
looming threat of Christians who sought to “buy their children’s souls”. Hidden cameras in churches have taken church
service footage and used it sensationally to promote fear and antagonism toward
Christianity. In
an official televised response from It appears that this
was an organized attack initiated by an unknown adult tarikat leader. As in the Hrant Dink murder in January 2007,
and a Catholic priest Andrea Santoro in February 2006, minors are being used to
commit religious murders because public sympathy for youth is strong and they
face lower penalties than an adult convicted of the same crime. Even the parents of these children are in
favor of the acts. The mother of the 16 year old
boy who killed the Catholic priest Andrea Santoro looked at the cameras as her
son was going to prison and said, “he will serve time for Allah.” The young men
involved in the killing are currently in custody. Today news reported that they would be tried
as terrorists, so their age would not affect the strict penalty. Assailant Emre Gunaydin is still in intensive
care. The investigation centers around
him and his contacts and they say will fall apart if he does not recover. The Church in Turkey
responded in a way that honored God as hundreds of believers and dozens of
pastors flew in as fast as they could to stand by the small church of Malatya
and encourage the believers, take care of legal issues, and represent
Christians to the media. When Susanne Tilman
expressed her wish to bury her husband in Malatya, the Governor tried to stop
it, and when he realized he could not stop it, a rumor was spread that “it is a
sin to dig a grave for a Christian.” In
the end, in an undertaking that should be remembered in Christian history
forever, the men from the church in Adana (near Tarsus), grabbed shovels and
dug a grave for their slain brother in an un-tended hundred year old Armenian
graveyard. Ugur was buried by
his family in an Alevi Muslim ceremony in his hometown of Elazig, his believing
fiance watching from the shadows as his family and friends refused to accept in
death the faith Ugur had so long professed and died for. Necati’s funeral took
place in his hometown of Izmir, the city where he came to faith. The darkness does not understand the
light. Though the churches expressed
their forgiveness for the event, Christians were not to be trusted. Before they would load the coffin onto the
plane from Malatya, it went through two separate xray exams to make sure it was
not loaded with explosives. This is not
a usual procedure for Muslim coffins. Necati’s funeral was
a beautiful event. Like a glimpse of
heaven, thousands of Turkish Christians and missionaries came to
show their love for Christ, and their honor for this man chosen to die for
Christ. Necati’s wife Shemsa told the
world, “His death was full of meaning, because he died for Christ and he lived
for Christ… Necati was a gift from God. I feel honored that he was in my life,
I feel crowned with honor. I want to be
worthy of that honor.” Boldly the believers took their stand at Necati’s
funeral, facing the risks of being seen publicly and likewise becoming
targets. As expected, the anti-terror
police attended and videotaped everyone attending the funeral for their future
use. The service took place outside at
Buca Baptist church, and he was buried in a small Christian graveyard in the
outskirts of Two assistant Governors of Izmir were there solemnly
watching the event from the front row.
Dozens of news agencies were there documenting the events with live news
and photographs. Who knows the impact
the funeral had on those watching? This
is the beginning of their story as well.
Pray for them. In an act that hit front pages in the largest newspapers
in In a country where blood-for-blood revenge is as normal
as breathing, many many reports have come to the attention of the church of how
this comment of Susanne Tilman has changed lives. One columnist wrote of her comment, “She said
in one sentence what 1000 missionaries in 1000 years could never do.” The missionaries in When our Pastor Fikret Bocek went with a brother to give
a statement to the Security Directorate on Monday they were ushered into the
Anti-Terror Department. On the wall was
a huge chart covering the whole wall listing all the terrorist cells in Please pray for the Church in The Church is better having lost our brothers; the fruit
in our lives, the renewed faith, the burning desire to spread the gospel to
quench more darkness in Malatya …all these are not to be regretted. Pray that we stand strong against external
opposition and especially pray that we stand strong against internal struggles
with sin, our true debilitating weakness. This we know.
Christ Jesus was there when our brothers were giving their lives for Him. He was there, like He was when Stephen was
being stoned in the sight of Saul of Tarsus.
Someday the video of the deaths of our brothers may
reveal more to us about the strength that we know Christ gave them to endure
their last cross, about the peace the Spirit of God endowed them with to suffer
for their beloved Savior. But we know
He did not leave their side. We know
their minds were full of Scripture strengthening them to endure, as darkness
tried to subdue the unsubduable Light of the Gospel. We know, in whatever way they were
able, with a look or a word, they encouraged one another to stand strong. We know they knew they would soon be
with Christ. We don’t know the details. We don’t know the kind of justice that will
or will not be served on this earth. But we pray-- and urge you to pray-- that someday at
least one of those five boys will come to faith because of the testimony in
death of Tilman Geske, who gave his life as a missionary to his beloved Turks, and
the testimonies in death of Necati Aydin and Ugur
Yuksel, the first martyrs for Christ out of the Turkish Church. Reported by Darlene N. Bocek (24 April 2007) Изменето од аџија - 03.Мај.2007 во 09:55 |
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