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Templarius напиша: Templarius напиша: 6. If there are three persons, why are there not three Gods? The co-equal and distinct persons of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not three Gods because they share the same essence in complete unity. This is difficult to grasp because we have no comparison that we can experience empirically or with our five senses. For example, the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are three distinct persons and beings. They do not share the same essence or being or divine attributes. However, the doctrine of the Trinity says that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit share the same being or essence, and this is where the human example of the three patriarchs and the divine nature must part company. So the human analogy fails to describe the Trinity and would in fact confuse this doctrine if we took the example seriously. Augustine comes up with an analogy that is deep: the lover, the beloved, and love (The Trinity, Books VIII.14; IX.2, and XV.10). As we saw at the baptism of Jesus, the Father says that he loves the Son, and at that very moment, the Spirit descends and rests on Jesus (see no. 1, above, and Matt. 3:16-17). Augustine seems to say that the Father loves the Son, who receives his love and returns it, for example, in his willingness to obey the Father and die on the cross, while the Spirit communicates the love between them. This image of a triad of love expresses how Christians believe the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit existed before the creation of time and the universe, and how the three persons will forever exist. It is into this love that the Trinity welcomes all believers and all who have received the love of God, through Christ and by the power of the Holy Spirit. Augustine’s analogy is profound, because we have all experienced love from a lover, and we have returned the same love. But it still does not adequately explain how the one God shares this divine attribute of love and all the other divine attributes in three persons. Our human love is but a poor reflection of divine love. We cannot observe this with our eyes, so all analogies from nature and humanity ultimately fail in illustrating the Trinity. Analogies from nature cannot reach up to heaven so that we can connect them to the Trinity. Our finite and limited mind cannot grasp this mystery, even after our minds have studied the doctrine for years. To clarify further why there are three persons, but not three Gods, God’s essence is not divided equally into three parts; it is not one-third, plus one-third, plus one-third. Also, the three persons are not added on to God’s essence or being, as if they are tacked on to the outside of God. Rather, all three persons share the same essence, fully God in one being, in total and perfect unity. Thus, basic Christian doctrine teaches that one God exists in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, not in three Gods, which is called tritheism. 7. However, doesn’t 1 + 1 + 1 = 3? So isn’t belief in the Trinity irrational? The previous section just asserted that all natural analogies fail, and so do mathematical ones. However, since these questions reflect Muslim polemics against this doctrine (a Muslim emailer wrote this to me), we should get into the mathematical arena and answer them. First, multiplication works better with integers: 1 x 1 x 1 = 1 Second, the exponent comes out the same: 1na(tretta)3 = 1 Third, how about an infinite number of sets of things? This works better: Infinity + infinity + infinity = infinity. Let us say that we add an infinite number of red books to an infinite number of white books, and still add an infinite number of blue books to the red and white books. Despite adding these three sets of infinite numbers of books together, we have not augmented or increased infinity by even one book. Such is the mystery of infinity; we cannot figure it out. However, these three mathematical analogies of the Trinity ultimately fail because, among other reasons, the three infinite sets of books have different properties, because they do not exist in perfect unity in one essence, and because we do not "add up" or even "multiply" the three persons of the Trinity. But the infinity analogy does reveal the utter mystery of things that we have never experienced with our five senses. And we have never experienced an actual infinite number of things. Even time is finite, since the so-called Big Bang, which states scientifically that the universe has a beginning. Thus, infinity is a mystery, and so is the Trinity. Belief in the Trinity is not irrational, but transrational—above our puny minds to figure out, ultimately. E ako i posle ovaa imate prasanja togas ..... Mozebi neznaete angliski no sigurno znaete matematika .....se nadevam ...... SVEMIRSKI ZAREM OVAA NE TI E DOVOLEN ODGOVOR ....mislev deka barem malku

Velite deka ne vi e odgvoreno eve ovaa e od ovaa tema .......

Messenger напиша: A za sto misleshe deka e postaven ovoj forum? Da reshi neshto ?

Messenger,
bi trebalo.Ako zboruvame,togas da zboruvame.
Ovoj podforum e nasloven kako "veronauka" tuka ako postavime prasanje odgovorot e "ne moze muslimanite da ja razberat hristijanskata doktrina"
Eve da receme jas sakam da prifatam Hristijanstvo i sakam da mi objasnite onaka kako sto mozam da svatam.
Ke mi recete "ova e,ako sakas svati".
Vie znaci nemate svateno i slepo veruvte,stom nemate objasnuvanje.

Templarus,prijaee,trebase da izmislete onakvo kakvo sto ke mozevte edostavno na sekoj da mu go objasnite,bez panika da ve fakja koga za toa nekoj ke ve prasa.

Komplimenti kaj nas ne palat.
Muhammed a.s rekol: "koga nekoj ke te pofali,frli mi pesok vo ocite"
Ne obrkjame tolku vnimanie na komplimenti i ne ziveeme za niv.
Ova za tebe ke ti go kazam;
Kolku sto e sladok sekerot,tolku e opasna i negovata bolest.Taka e i so slatkite zborovi.
Lekot,sto pogorcliv,toa po efikasen.
Kritikite poveke luge ne pravat otkolku slatkite zborovi.


Vikentij,nie ne ja barame sustinata,ja barame osnovata.
Ova e osnovnoto vase veruvanje.
Ne barame da ni objasnete kakov e stolot na koj bog ke sedi a isus od desno (toa povtorno ni zboruva za 3 razlicni entiteti).
Dali e 1 ili 3. Dali e covek ili e zelezo ili duh.... sto e.
Koga Isus bil mtov (kako sto veruvate),sto bilo so Boga.
S.Dvojstvo i mrtov Bog ? Koga bil vo majcinata utroba (bog fetus)? ili koga bil bebe (bog bebe?) ???

Halid ibn Velid напиша: More ti Pempasius!!Neli toa bese ti toj koj povikuvase na "Miroljubivost"? Zosto be koga se nemat odgovor,vednas pocnuvate so analizi na Licnostite?>? Kolku za Informacija,da ti kazam deka na Svemirski nemozes ni za Peda da mu se doblizis... Svemirski za tebe e Dr.!! A ti si samo eden nepismen Ucenik,koj nikako ne moze da razbere!! P.s.Koga vece ste objasnile za Trojstvoto,daj be Pastirajtegi Tekstovite,Dajte gi vasite "Fakti"..na edno mesto na ovaa tema...zemigo odgovorot i Pastirajgo,da go procitame....Ne samo Lavtajte,odgovoreno e ,[pisano e i so ti ja znam,,,sekogas isto pak isto..nemate drugi zborovi..toa vi e najlesen nacin za da bi go Izbegnele Prasanjeto!! P.s.I,neznam koga vece ednas ke prestanes so tvoite Vreganja i Omolovazuvanja na Drugite Clenovi...KLONIRAN NICKU!!

I ti si kako nego samo ne znam do koe odelenie si dogural..

Jas prv povikav na miroljubivos imava m...a da go napravam toa a vie kako p...i me narekovte licemer prv toa go stori gopodinot svemirski i...sega sto sakate .

Barate odgvor abe......pa citajte ja temata od pocetok i ce vidite deka imate odgovor...

Kloniran nick ne postoi hahahahha toa e vasa taktika, ve boli sto ve rasturame so dokazi i fakti zasto znaete deka samo toa se broi ...

Imaj ubav den .....

More ti Pempasius!!Neli toa bese ti toj koj povikuvase na "Miroljubivost"?

Zosto be koga se nemat odgovor,vednas pocnuvate so analizi na Licnostite?>?

Kolku za Informacija,da ti kazam deka na Svemirski nemozes ni za Peda da mu se doblizis...


Svemirski za tebe e Dr.!!

A ti si samo eden nepismen Ucenik,koj nikako ne moze da razbere!!

P.s.Koga vece ste objasnile za Trojstvoto,daj be Pastirajtegi Tekstovite,Dajte gi vasite "Fakti"..na edno mesto na ovaa tema...zemigo odgovorot i Pastirajgo,da go procitame....Ne samo Lavtajte,odgovoreno e ,[pisano e i so ti ja znam,,,sekogas isto pak isto..nemate drugi zborovi..toa vi e najlesen nacin za da bi go Izbegnele Prasanjeto!!

P.s.I,neznam koga vece ednas ke prestanes so tvoite Vreganja i Omolovazuvanja na Drugite Clenovi...KLONIRAN NICKU!!

A za sto misleshe deka e postaven ovoj forum? Da reshi neshto ?

svemirski, sekoe objasnuvanje ne e za sekogo.

Ti imash pravo, dadenite objasnuvanja za trojstvoto ne se za tebe, ne te zadovoluvaat i toa e fakt koj nemozhe nikoj da go pobie.

Zatoa pomini preku ova i posveti mu se na tvoeto veruvanje i zhivotot sto sledi od nego. Ako toa te zadovoluva i te pravi srekjen, togash ti si na praviot pat!

svemirski_duh напиша: Mozese kuso da kazes: "Napadot e naj dobra odbrana"

Можев, ама не сакав тоа да го кажам, зборував за нешто друго...
На прашањето ти е одговорено. Во кратки црти, одговорот би гласел - прашањето ти е погрешно! Тргнуваш од погрешен постулат во прашањето, и затоа не можеш да го разбереш одговорот. Толку за тоа прашање. Колку и да се враќаме на темата, пак на истото ќе се сведе.