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... zidarski kuliraj se dodeka nekoj sveshtenik ne proglasi fetva. Potoa znaesh kako odat rabotite, za sekoj musliman ke bide sveta zadacha vechno da te oladi...


Tatkoto na Coveckiot rod,Adem,bil poznavatel na site iminja.Vo sekoj negov kapilar imalo znaenje.
Adem znael se i toa kako sto treba.Kako e na pocetokot i na krajot.

Negovoto znaenje ne se menuvalo.Se bilo onaka kako sto znael.Taka bil brz i ne postanal lencina.

Odma na pocetokot znael koj na krajot ke bide vernik a koj nevernik.

Imeto na site i sekakvi raboti,zemi gi od ucenite luge (Onoj koj gi poznava znacite (ishareti))

Pr4ema naseto,imeto na site raboti sledi onaka kako sto se gleda doticnata rabota.Kako gi gledame rabotite,taka za niv i zboruvame.No,kaj Allah dz.s,rabotite ja sledat svojata vnatresnost-svojata bit.

Kaj Musa pejgamber,onoj negov stap se vikase Asa.No,kaj Allah dz.s toa e ustvari zmija.

Musricite go poznavale Hazreti Omer koga bil bezboznik kako i niv. No vo Elesta (praiskon) toj bil Vernik (Mumin).

Ona sto kaj nas se vika sperma,kaj Allah postoi slika kako ke izgled covekot od taa sperma.

I spermata i slikata na covekot vo nea Adem a.s ja gledal so Bozja dozvola odnapred.

Vistinskoto nase ime e ona kako sto e kaj Allah zapisano.Nakratko,kako ke bide nasiot kraj,toa e naseto ime.

Na sekoj dadeno mu e ime prema krajot.Ne e pravoto ime ona koe e pozajmeno od lugeto. Velat na kraj se brojat Patkite.

Ademovoto oko koga poglednalo so cisto svetlo (Nur),dusata i drugite tajni mu se pokazale.

Koga Melekite go pronajdoa Nurot (Allahovoto svetlo) vo Adem a.s padnale sedzde da mu napravat i se prijavile da mu sluzat.

Koga bi go falel Adem a.s do Sudniot den,malku e,nemoze tie pofalbi da se iskazat.

No,i so tolku znaenje,koga dosla sudbinata,tumacenje na edna zabraneta rabota,go skrenalo.

Se prasuval Adem,dali zabranetite raboti se Haram (zabraneto),ili za niv ima nekoj tevil (dozvolen izlez).

Koga vo Ademovoto srce pretegnal tevilot,negovata priroda bila zbuneta,i posol prema zabranetoto ovosje.

Koga na Gradinarot ke mu se zabodi trn vo nogata,lopovite ja koristat taa prilika i go kradat ovosjeto.

Dodeka gradinarot go izvadi trnot i mu pomine bolkata,tek posle gleda deka lopovi go pokradile.

Ke vika: Zgresivme,padna mrak,pa izgubivme orijentacija na patot.

ALLAHOVATA PRESUDA E ZAKLUCOK ! Taa biduva oblak koj go prekriva sonceto. I Lavot i Azderot pred sudbinata se kako gluvci.

Ako ne ja vidam taa zamka,koga veke presudata e donesena,ne sum samo jas neznalica vo ova presuduvanje !

Sekoj koj saka da e sreken,neka pravi dobri dela i neka go ostavi nasilstvoto.

Ako sudbinata te preklopi kako nokta svojata temnica,taa ista sudbina ti pruzi na krajot raka i te izvlekuva.

Ako sto pati sudbinata ti popreci na pat,na krajot Sator ke ti raspne.

Toa ni e od Allahovata dobrota,sto ni naredil da Mu se plasime,da dojdeme do predelite na srceto.



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Dobro svemirski, eve zidarski reche deka imalo fetva protiv masonite (za ova ne sum znael), sega kako treba da se odnesuvaat vernite muslimani?

- verno da ja sledat fetvata?

- da ja ignoriraat?

- da se ramnodushni?

- da go koristat svojot razum sledejki ja svojata svest vmesto nekoja tugja ?

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Dobro svemirski, eve zidarski reche deka imalo fetva protiv masonite (za ova ne sum znael), sega kako treba da se odnesuvaat vernite muslimani?

- verno da ja sledat fetvata?

- da ja ignoriraat?

- da se ramnodushni?

- da go koristat svojot razum sledejki ja svojata svest vmesto nekoja tugja ?



Sosema nevredno i nepostoecko prasanje.Aj prvo Zidarski neka ni kaze kade procital za takva fetva,koj ja izdal,koga itn...
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Prashanjeto e postechko (samo sto go postaviv), a vrednosta e ochigledna od aspekt na razbiranjeto na obvrskite na vernicite i nivniot odnos kon religijata i religijskite vodachi, kako individualni lichnosti so svoj um i razum, so svoja svest i mokj za rasuduvanje.

Znachi pri objavuvanje na fetva kako treba da se odnesuva eden vernik:

- verno da ja sledi fetvata?

- da ja ignorira?

- da bide ramnodushen?

- da go koristat svojot razum sledejki ja svojata svest vmesto nekoja tugja ?


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sosema nepotrebno prashanje,,i jas taka mislam,,,bidejki odgovorot se znae,,,da beshe samo nekoj da razmisluva a drugite zdravo i gotovo da prifatat se shto velat tie, togash zoshto Bog bi ne nadaril site nas so "um", "pamet", "mok na znaenjeto"???, namesto samo nekoi individui da gi poseduvaat ovie darbi, a drugite samo kako roboti, marioneti, da gi sledat tie,,,

postojat nekoi neshta koi nikako ne mozhe da se nauchat od drugite, tuku sekoj poedinec mora da go otkrie sopstveniot odgovor na istive prashanja.
Ne mozheme da ja otkrieme filozofijata na zhivotot, itn,,, istrazhuvajki vo enciklopedii, no sepak chitanjeto, i slushanjeto na gledishtata na drugite lugje mozhe da ni pomogne da go oblikuvame sopstvenoto gledishte za zhivotot.

Islamot apsolutno ne vazhi za lugjeto koi ne se svesni, naprotiv, toj ne uchi deka chovekot vo nitu eden moment od svojot zhivot ne smee da reagira, da deluva, da postapuva bez prisutnosta na svesta vo negovoto bitie…
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Originally posted by Messenger Messenger напиша:

Dobro svemirski, eve zidarski reche deka imalo fetva protiv masonite (za ova ne sum znael), sega kako treba da se odnesuvaat vernite muslimani?

- verno da ja sledat fetvata?

- da ja ignoriraat?

- da se ramnodushni?

- da go koristat svojot razum sledejki ja svojata svest vmesto nekoja tugja ?


Messenger,navistina jalovo prasanje. Navistina ne vredi ni ova ni zrno jacmeno.


Vprocem i ja gledas reakcijata na Muslimanite okolu taa Fetva (jas nemam pojma za takvo nesto).

Dolzen e sekoj Musliman da ispituva,da istrazuva,da bara,da proveruva...
Ne mislis,valjda,deka ako nekoj povika odma stanuvame i so bombi i sabji odime... dajte bre kako razmisluvate.

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Messenger... gledas li kako nie site isto razmisluvame.
Eve za site moi brakja Muslimani
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sosema nepotrebno prashanje,,i jas taka mislam,,,bidejki odgovorot se znae,,,da beshe samo nekoj da razmisluva a drugite zdravo i gotovo da prifatat se shto velat tie, togash zoshto Bog bi ne nadaril site nas so "um", "pamet", "mok na znaenjeto"???, namesto samo nekoi individui da gi poseduvaat ovie darbi, a drugite samo kako roboti, marioneti, da gi sledat tie,,,

postojat nekoi neshta koi nikako ne mozhe da se nauchat od drugite, tuku sekoj poedinec mora da go otkrie sopstveniot odgovor na istive prashanja.
Ne mozheme da ja otkrieme filozofijata na zhivotot, itn,,, istrazhuvajki vo enciklopedii, no sepak chitanjeto, i slushanjeto na gledishtata na drugite lugje mozhe da ni pomogne da go oblikuvame sopstvenoto gledishte za zhivotot.

Islamot apsolutno ne vazhi za lugjeto koi ne se svesni, naprotiv, toj ne uchi deka chovekot vo nitu eden moment od svojot zhivot ne smee da reagira, da deluva, da postapuva bez prisutnosta na svesta vo negovoto bitie…


Prekrasno... ostanuvam bez zborovi.
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Originally posted by svemirski_duh svemirski_duh напиша:

Originally posted by Messenger Messenger напиша:

Dobro svemirski, eve zidarski reche deka imalo fetva protiv masonite (za ova ne sum znael), sega kako treba da se odnesuvaat vernite muslimani?

- verno da ja sledat fetvata?

- da ja ignoriraat?

- da se ramnodushni?

- da go koristat svojot razum sledejki ja svojata svest vmesto nekoja tugja ?


Messenger,navistina jalovo prasanje. Navistina ne vredi ni ova ni zrno jacmeno.


Vprocem i ja gledas reakcijata na Muslimanite okolu taa Fetva (jas nemam pojma za takvo nesto).

Dolzen e sekoj Musliman da ispituva,da istrazuva,da bara,da proveruva...
Ne mislis,valjda,deka ako nekoj povika odma stanuvame i so bombi i sabji odime... dajte bre kako razmisluvate.



Ah bre svemirski, mislish deka samo taka jalovo prashuvam, neli ?

Prashuham zatoa sto veke poveke pati imashe komentari od tvoite brakja po verata kade otvoreno i direktno izjavuvaa deka niv voopshto ne gi interesiraat muabetite i mislenjata na drugite lugje okolu Islamot i deka za niv vazhi samo onoa crno na belo sto pishuva vo k*ranot i sto ke proklamiraat islamskite nauchnici/sveshtenici. Toa beshe osobeno potencirano koga govorevme za sheriatskiot zakon. Koga prashav kako mozhe da se kamenuva zhena, kako mozhe da se egzekutira chovek ako saka da si ja smeni verata, kako mozhe da se sechat race, noze, kako mozhe da se otepa chovek sto misli podrugo od nas samo zatoa sto nekoj sveshtenik objavil fetva, odgovorot beshe - ako bilo Alahova volja, jas nemam nikakov problem so toa.

Zatoa gi postaviv ovie prashanja svemirski. Sakam da razberam kako mislat i drugite muslimani, chlenovi na ovoj forum. Dali site slepo sledat nekakvi zborovi i naredbi ili razmisluvat so svoi glavi i ja upotrebuvaat svojata svest, koja im e darena od Alah tokmu za da ja upotrebuvaat, a ne da ja zapretaat nekade kade sto nikogash poveke ne ke mozhat da ja pronajdat.

I milo mi e sto gi chitam vash*te komentari.

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Toa treba da bide jasno,osobeno Tebe.

Kade sto ima Serijat,ima i Sud,ustavot e Allahovata naredba.Ne odi toa secenjeto taka kako sto vie go zamisluvate. Ne e dovolno da se fati (primer) covek kako stava nesto vo dzep pa ajde mu se sece rakata.
Kako sto ednas spomna Ilko Jankoski ili Janko Ilkoski,kako li bese... samo ne ti dava zbor koga ke zemes da mu objasnis.

Za da se poslusa eden,togas treba da se vospostavi Halifet a toa e eden "vladar" za cel Islamski svet.

Na site ni e poznato kade bese Islamot koga vredese Halifetot i koga Allahoviot zakon vredese i vazese kaj Muslimanite.

Jalovo e prasanje sto bi pravele koga na nekoj bi mu teknalo sega i povika na Dzihad.
Toa e kako voospto da ne poznavas nisto vo vrska so Islamot.
Kolku pati do sega povikuvale na Dzihad,eve ne,ne sme ubile nikogo !
Ne sme nie tolku naivni i tupavi,kako sto nekoi si zamisluvaat.
Koga se napravija Karikaturi na Muhammed a.s,nikoj ne povika,,,, Nie sme,Messenger,kako edna dusa vo poveke tela. Prav vernik,osekja koga ke vidi deka srada drug musliman,makar bilo toj od sprotiva na zemjata (daleku).
Ne treba nikoj da ne povika koga nekoj ke gi pretera zulumite.
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Zidarski, ako ima doneseno fetva so koja se nareduva da se ubaivaat masonite ne prasuvaj sto treba eden prav musliman da napravi toj ako e prav musliman mora da gi sledi fetvite, neka zbori tuka koj sto saka, zarem neokoj ocekuvas javno da ti kaze deka toa e taka, pa onoj koj ne gi sledi fetvite i ne e prav musliman....
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Јас сосема сериозно прашав. Има две фетви во однос на масонството. Едната е издадена од Ирански свештеници (која веројатно вас не ве засега, затоа што тие се шиити), но има и од свештеници во Сауди Арабија, кои се суни. Во Сауди на пример, било кој масон, доколку јавно го демонстрира своето присуство (со значка или прстен) бидува казнет со смрт. Секој граѓанин на Сауди доколку се открие за него дека е член на ложата, истотака бидува казнет со смрт.
Та...
Прашањето што Месинџер го постави е сосема на место - во случај да има фетва (не само за ова што јас го прашувам, туку во било која друга ситуација) - како постапува муслиманот?!
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Eve ja fetvata



In the Name of Allaah, the All-Merciful, may His Salaah and Salaam be upon His final Messenger    Question: What is Freemasonry, and what is the ruling on it in Islam? What is the ruling on joining the Masons?     Answer: Praise be to Allaah.     Freemasonry is a secret political society whose goal is to put an end to all religions and good morals, and to replace them with man-made laws and non-religious systems. It strives to provoke ongoing revolutions and to replace one regime with another, on the basis of its call for freedom of thought and freedom of belief. This is what they have stated clearly.     This is what was announced by one of them in the Students’ Conference held in 1865 CE in the city of Liege which is considered to be one of the centers of Freemasonry. He said:     Man must prevail over God, and declare war on Him. He should demolish the heavens and tear them like paper.     It says in the Masonic Grand Lodge (1922, p. 98): We will strengthen the freedom of individual thought with all the powers at our disposal, and we will declare war against the real enemy of man, which is religion.     The Masons say that Masonry takes the human soul as its object of worship.     They say: It is not enough for us to prevail over the religious people and their places of worship, rather our basic goal is to wipe them out of existence.     Minutes of the World Masonic Conference, 1903 CE, p. 102.     They say: Freemasonry will take the place of religion and its Lodges will take the place of places of worship… and there are many other statements which clearly point to the intensity of their enmity towards religion and their uncompromising war on religion.     The Freemasons are one of the most ancient secret societies which still exist and its origins are still unknown to many people and are still unknown to many of their members, because the plots of their leaders are very secret and hidden and they are so keen to conceal their plots and aims. Therefore most of their affairs are conducted verbally, with no written record.     When they want to write an idea or announce it to the public, it is first subjected to the scrutiny of Masonic censors who decide whether it may be released or not. The foundations of Freemasonry were based on theories taken from several sources, mostly from Jewish traditions.     This is supported by the fact that Jewish ideas and teachings were taken as the basis for the founding of the Grand Lodge in 1717 CE with its principles and symbols. The Masons still venerate the Jew Hiram and the temple that he built, from which they take the design of the Masonic lodges in the world. The greatest Masonic leaders are Jews and form the backbone of the Masonic movement, and they are the ones who represent Jewish organizations in Masonic lodges. It is to them that the spread of Masonry and global cooperation between Freemasons is to be attributed. They are the driving force behind Freemasonry and this Jewish elite are leading different secret cells, running their affairs and directing them secretly as they wish. This is supported by a report in the Masonic Acacia magazine (1908, issue no. 66) which says that there is no Masonic lodge that is free of Jews and that all the Jews do not follow one way or another exclusively, rather there are only principles for them to follow. And this is also the case with the Masons. Hence the Jewish synagogues are our [Masons’] support and we find many Jews among the Freemasons.     This is also supported by what it says in the Masonic publications: that the Jews are certain that the best means of destroying religion is Freemasonry. The history of the Masons is similar to the history of the Jews in belief. Their symbol is the six-pointed Star of David. The Jews and the Freemasons both consider themselves to be the spiritual sons of the builders of the Temple of Solomon. The Freemasonry which distorts other religions lends full support to Judaism and its followers. The Jews took advantage of people’s simple-mindedness and good intentions, and infiltrated Freemasonry and reached high positions within it, thus they breathed a Jewish spirit into the Masonic lodges and subjugated them to their own aims.     One of the clearest indications of their intense desire to conceal their plans to destroy religions and provoke political revolutions is what it says in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, where it says: "We will concentrate these cells under a single leadership that is known to us alone. This leadership will be composed of our scholars and these cells will have special representatives, so that the true location of our leadership will be concealed. This leadership alone will have the right to decide who will speak, and to draw up the plans of the day. In these cells we will plan to lay traps for all the socialists and classes of revolutionary society. Most of the secret political plans are known to us and we will decide when to implement them. But the agents of the international secret police will be members of these cells. When the conspiracies start throughout the world, that will mean that one of our most dedicated agents will be at the head of these conspiracies and of course we will be the only people to direct the Masonic plans. We are the only people who know how to direct them and we know the ultimate goal of each action, whilst the illiterates – meaning non-Jews – are ignorant of most of these things, especially Masonry, and they can only see the immediate results of what they are doing."     And there is other evidence which points to the strong connection between the Jews and the Masons, and the cooperation between the two parties in revolutionary conspiracies and stirring up destructive movements. Even though Freemasonry outwardly appears to be a call to freedom of belief, tolerance and social reform in general, in fact it is really a call for permissiveness and destructive factors which cause social disintegration and the loosening of bonds between nations and destruction of religion and morals and the spread of mischief.     Based on this, any Muslim who joins a Masonic group knowing the true nature of Freemasonry and its secrets, and carries out its rituals and is keen to do so, is a kaafir who should be asked to repent. If he repents, all well and good, otherwise he is to be put to death and if he dies in that state then his recompense will be that of the kaafirs. Whoever joins the Freemasons but does not know what they really are, or know about their plots against Islam and the Muslims, and their spreading evil and the evil that they are planning against everyone who tries to bring people together and reform nations, and he joins them in their general activities and talk that does not apparently contradict Islam, is not a kaafir, rather he is excused in general because of their concealing their true nature from him, and because he does not share their basic beliefs or aims. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Acts are but by intentions, and each man will have but that which he intended.”     But he must disavow himself of them when he finds out what they really are, and he must tell people about their real nature and strive to spread their secrets and their plots against the Muslims, so that this will cause a scandal for them and will undermine their efforts. The Muslim should surround himself with good people who will cooperate with him in his religious and worldly affairs. He should be far-sighted in choosing close friends so that he will be safe from being tempted by these apparently attractive ideas and be safe from the evil consequences of honeyed words, and so he will not fall into the traps of the people of shirk which they set up to ensnare those who are easily deceived, follow their whims and desires and are weak in reasoning.    Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 2/312-315

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A Legal Judgement Regarding the Ruling on Membership of the Masonic Movement

(The decision of the Fiqh Academy)

All praise and thanks be to Allaah and may peace and blessings of Allaah be upon the Messenger of Allaah and upon his family and Companions and all those who follow his guidance. As for what follows:

During its first session, which was convened in Makka, on the tenth of Sha’baan in the year 1398 A.H. (15/7/1978 C.E.) The Fiqh Academy looked into the matter of the Masons and their affiliates, and the Islamic ruling on them.

The members of the Academy undertook a thorough study of this dangerous organization, reading what has been written about them, past and present, and the documents and speeches propagated by their members and their leaders which they themselves have published in the magazines which represent them. It became clear to the Academy in a manner that leaves no doubt, from the books and texts they read which follows:

1. The Masonic movement is a secret society which sometimes hides it organization and sometimes reveals it, according to the prevailing conditions of the time and place. However, the true principles upon which this organization is based are secret at all times, the knowledge of which is hidden even from its members, except the chosen few, who reach, through many different experiences, the highest levels.

2. The movement builds a relationship between its members in all corners of the world, based upon a superficial foundation in order to fool the gullible people, which is that of the human brotherhood alleged to exist between all members of the organization, which (supposedly) makes no distinction between different faiths, creeds, ideologies.

3. It attracts those persons who are important to it to join their organization by tempting them with promises of personal benefits, on account of the fact that every Mason is bound to help every other brother Mason, in any corner of the world, to assist him in fulfilling his needs, achieving his aims and solving his problems, and to support him if he has political ambitions, to assist him if he falls into any predicament – whatever it may be, whether he is right or wrong, oppressor or oppressed. This may be concealed, by making it appear that they are helping him when he is on the right, not on the wrong. This is the greatest temptation by which they capture people from all societies, taking from them significant financial contributions.

4. Joining them begins with a celebration for the enrolment of a new member, with certain frightening rituals and formalities, intended to instill fear in the member of what will happen to him if he ever disobeys their directives and orders which are issued to him in sequence.

5. The gullible members are left free to practice their religion and it (the organization) benefits by controlling them and assigning tasks to them, within the limits appropriate for them, and they remain at the lowest level. As for the apostates, or those who are willing to become apostates, they are slowly promoted to higher levels, according to their experience and repeated tests which are given to members, based upon their willingness to serve their plans and their dangerous ideology.

6. Its aims are political and they have a hand – either open or hidden – in most political and military insurrections and major changes.

7. The organization is Jewish in origin and is secretly managed and directed at its highest levels by international Jewry and its activities are Zionist in character.

8. It is, in fact, in its hidden aims, against all religions, its intentions being the destruction of all of them in general, and Islaam in the hearts of its adherents in particular.

9. It concentrates on the recruitment of persons in positions of authority in finance, politics, the community, in science and any other position they can utilize in order to further their power in the community. They have no interest in recruiting those without any power they can exploit, and for this reason, they often concentrate on the recruitment of kings, presidents, important government employees and their like.

10. It has many branches, which bear other names, in order to deceive and divert attention, so that they are able to continue their activities under different pseudonyms, the most well known of which are: The Lions, the Rotary Club, The Leons, and other such evil movements, all of which are incompatible and inconsistent with Islamic tenants.

The strong links between the Masons and international Zionist Jewry has become absolutely clear to all of the people. By such means they have been able to control the activities of many leaders in Arab and other countries in the matter of Palestine, and they have prevented them from carrying out many of their obligations with respect to this most important matter, to the advantage of the Jews and the international Zionists.

For this reason and many other detailed facts concerning the dangerous activities of the Masons, their evil deception and cunning designs, the Fiqh Academy has determined that the Masons are one of the most dangerous, destructive organizations to Islaam and the Muslims. And that whoever joins them, knowing the truth of them and their aims, is a disbeliever in Islaam who should be avoided. And Allaah is the Granter of success.

Director: ‘Abdullah bin Humaid Director of the Higher Judicial Council in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

Permanent Committee for Research and Verdicts


Fatawa Islamiyah, vol.1, p.325, DARUSSALAM
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