Значењето на зборот "Vulgare"-БУГАР

zabegan напиша: MAKEDONIJA znaci golema zemja

ako e toa taka, kako ke go objasnesh toa.

nem da zabraesh deka MAKEDONIJA najprvin se vikala HEMATHIE isto taka i od HOMER potvrdeno, a i od Drugi Antichki Pisateli.

Se razbira, gore ti postirav isto kako Hesychius go opishal Toa...

Nemoj da se zabluduvash od grcite sho edvaj go najdeja zboro μακεδνος > makednos > sho treba da znache visok, slab.


Toj zbor e prisuten samo vo nekoj zabegani Dialekti od Antichkiot Grchki i ne e Main Stream. Odamna e otfrlen kako mozhna Etymologija na imeto Makedonija.

nem da zabeguvash

Oho Boho напиша: А некой да ми рекне, шо значи сборот македонец? И от кой език потекнува?

Hesychius Alexandrini Lexikon tells us that:




Macedonia called it self Hemathie or Emathie > E Mathie > Is Mother...

Cause in Modern Maceodonian language the character H is almost vanished, it would be E instead of HE, but in your Vulgar Macedonian you still have the sounds H before the sound E like in HEM etc.

The aspiring TH is not present in Modern Macedonian but in  Old Church Slavonic. though also a "Slavic" sound.

This way of referencing it's Mother Country points out to some pre- paternal designation. It is also known in Polish where they say that:

Fatherland”/”Mother Poland” (“Matka Ojczyzna,” “Matka Polska”),

And Russian also say:

мать Россия

And German HEIMAT could have derived from HEIM > HOME and MAT > Mother. It is no secret that many German words build clusters with many so called "Slavic" words and are proved of "Slavic" origin, cause half of the German Nation are assimilated "Slavic" speakers.

According to Hesychius Alexandrini, ancient authors also used:


Makettia  ........... Dialectical Macedonian MAKE > Mother while MAKEA > Stepmother.

and on the end it came to be

MAKE DONIA  from MAKE > Mother and DON > Thracian word for PLACE.

Compare also DOM and DNO from the same root as DON.




Изменето од naemnik - 03.Јануари.2008 во 15:50

The problem of Ethnic Term Bulgarian which was later lead to have bad connotation, got misunderstood by the "Common Population"/Peasants  which used the Bastardized Latin Term Vulgarism with the meaning "Commoner"/"Peasant". This came to be cause the Sounds B and V are interchanging constantly. Good example of this phenomena is the the Greek character Beta β which in Ancient Greek was pronounced as B while in Modern Greek it is pronounced as V.

"Vulgarism" derives from Latin vulgus, the "common folk", and has carried into English its original connotations linking it with the low and coarse motivations that were supposed to be natural to the commons, who were not moved by higher motives like fame for posterity and honor among peers — motives that were alleged to move the literate classes. Thus the concept of vulgarism carries cultural freight from the outset, and from some social and religious perspectives it does not genuinely exist, or — and perhaps this amounts to the same thing – ought not to exist.

While people who were known as the "Common Folk" under Roman Rule and later the same Term was used  as Mass designation into the East Roman Empire, came to be misunderstood with the new comer Tatar Mongol Tribes designation "Bulgarian".

thats why in the Balkans the word Bulgarian had more to do with the Bastardized Latin word VULGARIS > Bulgaris > Bulgar than with the Ethnic designation of the Turk Tatars which most likely is derived from the River Volga in Modern Russia.


Изменето од naemnik - 03.Јануари.2008 во 14:54

А некой да ми рекне, шо значи сборот македонец? И от кой език потекнува?

naemnik напиша: <div ="term" dir=""><table ="dict-name" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><t><tr><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td style="padding-bottom: 5px; width: 100%;">Babylon French-English</td></tr></t></table>bougre (m) <span ="pos-style">n.</span>      fellow; damn; buggerBabylon English-English<div ="term" dir="">bugger <div ="definition" dir=""> <span ="pos-style">n.</span>      fellow, chap; person who commits sodomy     <br style="clear: both; font-size: 1px;"> <div ="DIV_AS_HR"> <span ="pos-style">v.</span>      sodomize; bother

-“bougre de bougre” - Истото само во позасилена форма

- “bougre de cochon” - ужасна свиња

- “bougre d,idiot” - страшен глупак

- “bougre de salaud”- расипан

- “bougre de vache” - ужасна крава

- “ra bougrir” - се изродувам (одродник),расипувам, не виреам..и.т.н

n. fellow; damn; bugger

Babylon English-English

v. sodomize; bother

Гърците наричали българина "хондрокефалос", което означава дебелоглав, в смисъл твърдоглав, тъп, прост. На Запад през средновековието еретиците наричали "бугри" (фр. bougres), което произлиза от bulgare (българин) и означавало нещо лошо. Според френската енциклопедия "Ларус" думата означава оскърбителен термин, ругатня. В речника на Бл. Мавров тя означава тип, нехранимайко, проклетник. Академик Йордан Иванов в книгата си "Богомилски книги и легенди" пише, че във френския език са останали и до ден днешен думи и изрази, идещи от името "българин" (bougre) с негативно значение

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