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Originally posted by efendija efendija напиша:

Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

prestnaete so ovaa glupost koja ne vodi nikade ako dokazeme deka ima povece hristijani ili muslimani preobrateni sto ce dobieme so toa - nisto, pa ne sme vo sredni vek


Знаеш понекогаш не е лошо да се изнесат лични искуства од некои конвертити,но,ние како сме почнале да постираме ги надминавме и политичарите во нивните политички кампањи.Затоа и јас мислам дека си во право.

Ima preobrateni od muslimani vo hristijani. Ne znam kolku e cesto i ne znam poradi sto nekoi hristijani pominuvat vo muslimani... no ova ne dokazuva deka ednata ili drugata e podobra religija. Zatoa mislam ne vredi ova da se diskutira!
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Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

prestnaete so ovaa glupost koja ne vodi nikade ako dokazeme deka ima povece hristijani ili muslimani preobrateni sto ce dobieme so toa - nisto, pa ne sme vo sredni vek


Знаеш понекогаш не е лошо да се изнесат лични искуства од некои конвертити,но,ние како сме почнале да постираме ги надминавме и политичарите во нивните политички кампањи.Затоа и јас мислам дека си во право.
"Zadovolen sum Allah da mi bide Gospod,Muhammed pejgamber a Islamot vera"
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Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

prestnaete so ovaa glupost koja ne vodi nikade ako dokazeme deka ima povece hristijani ili muslimani preobrateni sto ce dobieme so toa - nisto, pa ne sme vo sredni vek

ne se dobiva nisto! Vo pravo si Templarius!
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Originally posted by anastasovi2004 anastasovi2004 напиша:

Originally posted by ZlatniLiljan ZlatniLiljan напиша:

EvAngelce nemozes nesto na naski da napises, a ako bide plus primer za nekoj preobraten od nasive prostori uste poubavoзбунетост 

Jas imam prijateli preobrateni od muslimani vo hristijani.Od Makedonija i drugi mesta.Ke gi zamolam da napisat za nivnoto preobrakanje, pa se nadevam skoro ke vi gi pustam da citate na "naski".



Баш би сакал професоре и јас да ги прочитам тие стории.Така да нестрпливо ги очекувам.
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prestnaete so ovaa glupost koja ne vodi nikade ako dokazeme deka ima povece hristijani ili muslimani preobrateni sto ce dobieme so toa - nisto, pa ne sme vo sredni vek
Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.
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Originally posted by Halid ibn Velid Halid ibn Velid напиша:

Originally posted by ZlatniLiljan ZlatniLiljan напиша:

EvAngelce nemozes nesto na naski da napises, a ako bide plus primer za nekoj preobraten od nasive prostori uste poubavoзбунетост 


E na naski brat znaes koga ke napiset,Koga Mazgata ke Rodet!!!

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Originally posted by ZlatniLiljan ZlatniLiljan напиша:

EvAngelce nemozes nesto na naski da napises, a ako bide plus primer za nekoj preobraten od nasive prostori uste poubavoзбунетост 

Jas imam prijateli preobrateni od muslimani vo hristijani.Od Makedonija i drugi mesta.Ke gi zamolam da napisat za nivnoto preobrakanje, pa se nadevam skoro ke vi gi pustam da citate na "naski".
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Originally posted by zidarski zidarski напиша:

Jas se soglasuvam so Fantastic - zatoa shto ne znam kako toa nechie tugjo religiozno iskustvo mozhe da go izgradi moeto sopstveno...?! Verata e vrska megju chovekot i Boga i kako takva ne zavisi od nikogo. Ne zavisi od crkvata, dzhamijata, religijata koja ja ispovedash, ne zavisi od toa dali tvoite roditeli se vernici ili ne, ne zavisi od socijalniot status... Site ovie elementi koi gi nabroiv, se faktori koi go definiraat nachinot na koj veruvash, no ne samata vera. Zatoa, sekogash se osekjam neprijatno koga kje vidam broshura so iskustva na konvertiti i so naveduvanje na nivnite prichini za toa... premnogu pokazno, egzibicionistichki mi deluva, a neli vernikot treba da e skromen, duri i vo praktikuvanjeto na svojata vera...


I jas ke kazam za tebe, toa e tvoe razmisluvanje. Moze da se spodele licno iskustvo za ohrabruvanje na drugite. Znaes za duhoven rast. Licno jas sum bil ohrabren od necie religiozno iskustvo.
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Originally posted by Fantastic Lady Fantastic Lady напиша:

znaesh,,najprimitivnita, verska propaganda(vo site religii), se ovie conversion stories...stvarno ne znam sto sakaat da postignuvaat objavuvajki vakvi nesta...
zarem ocekuvaat deka nekoj otkako ke gi chita ovie "stories" ke mu se pridruzhi niv,,ili sto???

po ulici, universiteti, high schools, sekoj samo si ja reklamira svojata religija, delejki broshuri, i pokazhuvajki kako drugite se "convert" pa ajde sega pridruzhete ni se i vie,,,

pa i neka "najpametniot, ili najmokniot, najvlijatelniot" covek na planetava neka se convertira vo nekoja religija,,kaj mene toa nema da smeni nisto..absolutno nishto,,ednostavno dodeka jas ne se ubeduvam sama sebesi vo nesto,,nikoj ne mozhe da te ubedi..

sekoj si ima svoe mislenje,svoj nacin na doagjanje do vistinata, svoe gledanje na rabotite,,i zatoa ovie temi,,"why hristos". nd "why islam",,,mi se najmalku privlecni..


E draga i jas kako tebe edno vreme si mislev... nikoj ne moze da me ubedi dodeka ne se ubedam jas... da znaes ima lek i na toa... samo sto (skoro)site ovde zborat za Bog kako za mrtov Bog... Ama Bog e Ziv Bog... i veruvaj moze da te ubedi vo toa...
P.S. Ke se molam za tebe!
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Изменето од anastasovi2004 - 10.Март.2008 во 21:54
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Originally posted by ZlatniLiljan ZlatniLiljan напиша:

EvAngelce nemozes nesto na naski da napises, a ako bide plus primer za nekoj preobraten od nasive prostori uste poubavoзбунетост 


E na naski brat znaes koga ke napiset,Koga Mazgata ke Rodet!!!
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EvAngelce nemozes nesto na naski da napises, a ako bide plus primer za nekoj preobraten od nasive prostori uste poubavoзбунетост
 
Islam es Para Todas’’ (“Islam je za svakoga")
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Assalam-mualaikum.

My name is Siti Zainab. I am a Malay Muslim woman from Southeast Asia. I was born into a Muslim family, very traditional in its ways and strong in their adherence to the religion of Islam. From the very beginning, I was given an Islamic education that was solid and deep, thus was my knowledge of Islam from a young age.

As part of my basic Primary School education, I was also made to attend Muslim madrasah (Islamic religious) schools, and started reading and reciting the Quran early, absorbing the key precepts & fundamentals of (Sunni) Islam, from qualified religious teachers (ustazahs) and various other qualified Islamic teachers. There I learnt to fear and obey Allah s.w.t. and also to follow the teachings and example of Prophet Muhammad (especially those found in the ‘Valid Hadiths’). I also could recite the QuranMuslimah  wholly, much to the delight of both my parents and both of them were quite pleased and happy with the formation of my Islamic devotion. In brief, I had experienced a solid foundation and deep religious formation as a devoted and committed

I never neglected my religious duties to do the Solat (or Namaz) obligatory prayers five times a day, and religiously fasted the required 30 days during the Ramadhan ‘holy month’ of the Muslim calendar. I practised the Islamic ‘pillars of faith’ dutifully, without being told and/or reminded by anybody, particularly by my Muslim parents! In short, nobody doubted or questioned my religious upbringing, commitment and experience as a devout and God-fearing Muslimah (female Muslim), whatsoever.  

Even so, as I continued to carry out the pillars of Islam fastidiously and faithfully. After years and years of fulfilling and carrying out the observances of Islam as a Muslim I had not questioned or doubted the significance or importance this ‘offering of worship’ ['ibadah'] was for me. Yet, as time went by, all these works proved increasingly to be ritualistic chores, meaningless going-through-the-motions that lost all meaning and attraction to me! Were these rituals and routines describing the best kind of relationship that God/Allah can establish with Mankind – that between a Master and a slave??  Also, rituals that are done just to collect more merit points/brownie points that would possibly increase my chances with Allah to get into Paradise??

I had many, many such questions and doubts like that I kept in my heart to myself but I did not raise them up because I did not want to hurt the feelings of my fellow-Muslim friends. I also remembered how harshly I was scolded, reprimanded and prevented from asking these sincere questions by my Islamic religious studies Teachers!

Nevertheless these Questions lingered on in my soul and my thoughts, and grew as I matured further in Age into my High School years! As I developed further into adulthood, the Islamic obligatory rituals increasingly became shallow, empty and even dead deeds. They were not the meritorious and deeds of blessings my ustazs and ustazahs (religious teachers) so vainly tried to teach us about.   

That did not mean that I had not tried hard enough! I actually attempted many times to focus my attention on what was ‘beautiful and pure’ behind each act of ibadah (worship), nevertheless the realisation of how shallow and empty these Islamic actions were could never be shaken off..! The questions still remained; Was this actually the right and best way for mankind to be related to GOD?

After completing High School, I gained admission into University and into a Course of my preference. Whilst in University, I also increased further the search for the answers to my questions of Life and the emptiness the Islamic Religion had offered me, mentioned above. I increased my readings and research until I discovered a Book entitled “Appointment in Jerusalem. This Book was written by a Danish lady, and it describes her deep spiritual struggle and search for meaning and spiritual enlightenment and satisfaction in her religion. I was very drawn to its contents as it was very similar indeed to my own spiritual struggle and quest!

I was not a little surprised when I discovered that this Danish lady had obtained the realisation that her own relationship with GOD could be directly and spontaneous, without going through the motions of religious rituals and prescribed ritualistic formulations. I learnt that mankind could relate to God freely through even a personal and direct relationship with Him. That is, we could be related with the Creator-without all that religious ritualism, directly and personally, even as a Child relates to his/her own Father! This is a direct, personal and dynamic relationship. Therefore it means that mankind can now get to know God personally in the same sense as a Father and his Child.  

Could this be the kind of spiritual relationship that I was looking for all this while? In my University classes there were also other Christians, who were kind and helpful. Yet, I did not mix closely with them, and only observed them from afar. I was trying to figure out if their faith and relationship with God was in line with what my struggle was about. Or were these Christians also having a shallow and meaningless ‘experience’ or ‘knowledge’ of God like I was as a Muslimah!

Even though these Christians were strong in their faith, they did not try to evangelise me or preach to me Christianity. It was only after many months had passed, that I finally inquired about their religious and spiritual experiences. They were intrigued that I as a Muslim, wanted to discuss religion with them, Christians.  However, I really respect them for not trying to ‘sell their religion’ to me. On the other hand, we were able to sit down together and discuss about our religious and spiritual struggles openly, as equals and as mature adults.

It was through the interaction with these fellow university students, that I acquired a better understanding about what Christian teachings were all about, as well as a clearer understanding of the Book Appointment in Jerusalem".  Nevertheless, for 2 whole years in the University, I did nothing about Christianity. I still wanted to search within my religion of Islam about the true relationship between God and Mankind, and to compare that with the teachings of the Gospel. During those 2 years, my Christian classmates were very patient with me and my questions, sometimes, my questions were silly and shallow, other times, they were complex! Nevertheless I was very impressed at the Christians’ courtesy, kindness and sincerity.

After the 2 years, and further into my quest, I finally decided to embrace and accept the authentic teachings and message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Since that time, my prayer life, worship, fasting and good deeds have all been greatly enriched and blessed by Almighty God many times over. I have since come to realise that  Man is not made just to function like a ‘Robot’, existing in a relationship with God/Allah merely like that between a Master and a Slave!!    

On the other hand, the message of the Holy Gospel of Christ states that –all peoples that receive the Way and the Truth of God, they shall be given a brand new relationship with God, and the right to be known as “Children of God”, as it is written in the Holy Scriptures and taught by Sayidina Isa A.M. himself:

“But to all who received Him, He gave them the right to become the Children of God, to those who believe in His Name, who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, not of the will of men, but of GOD.” 

                        John 1 : 12-13.

After being blest by the Lord, as His ‘child’, my life began to change – for the better. This caught the attention of my Family members. They finally came to know about my Christian faith and being a follower of Jesus Christ as taught in His Gospel. At that point, it was a little difficult for them to accept me as a follower of Jesus Christ — Islam is a grossly intolerant religion towards its followers that reject it, I remember undergoing a time of trial, tests and tough obstacles during that phase of my life.

In spite of all that, the Lord GOD provided me with the strength and patience that was sufficient to endure and undergo the bittersweet initial reaction of my family members. I had embraced fully the fact of Jesus Christ as my Redeemer, the Living Word (Logos in Greek, Kalimatullah in Arabic; cf. John 1:1-5, AQ Surah 3/45, 4/171) of GOD, into my life.

I reckon that they are truly ignorant about what becoming a follower of Jesus Christ actually is. The Quran does not have a full account of the life and ministry of Sayidina Isa Al-Masihie. Jesus the Messiah. However the Gospels in the New Testament has a complete and comprehensive account of everything significant that Sayidina Isa A.M. had ever said and did! 

Today, Praise God, Alhamdulillah, the situation in my family is very much improved. Most importantly, I now possess the assurance of a real and powerful relationship with a loving God, unlike before, when all my good deeds or amal saleh were inadequate to assure me of a good and acceptable relationship with Allah, even though I strove to be an excellent or even a good Muslimah. No Muslim ever knows or is assured about what or when is ever good enough with the God of Islam! Now, as a follower and believer in Jesus Christ and his Salvation, I have a relationship with God that is far more blessed and better than that of a Slave and her Overlord – as Islam teaches, because as a slave, we are never sure if ever our overlord is pleased with our service or submission! 

Today, as a child of God, I now possess the confidence and the eternal assurance regarding my relationship with God, that was based upon the loving gift of my Redeemer Sayidina Isa, who offered the perfect kiffaratboth His child AND His willing servant. [the atoning sacrifice] on my behalf. Now, the Spirit of God Himself has showered every good and wonderful spiritual blessing from His bounty into my life, as

I would like to invite you to be healed from your spiritual uncertainty, confusion and lack of eternal assurance regarding your life in the Hereafter (Akhirat), and to come and experience and to know for yourself the incomparable spiritual blessings that the living God would bestow you now. I myself have no regrets whatsoever about the decision I have made, to follow and remain faithful to God’s living powerful Word, SayidinaIsa, the Messiah, for today as well as for tomorrow.

Your Friend, Zainab

Посветен на изворното христијанство проповедано од Христос и апостолите.
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Testimony of Malika

From Islam to Jesus Christ

A native of Morocco, I was born into a very religious Muslim family. Since a very young age I was brought up in a purely traditional Islamic way. Since adolescence I had a burning desire to be a good Muslimah and an example in the eyes of Allah. I rejected anything and everything concerning the Jews and the Christians. The mere sight of a cross revolted me. At the age of 16 I met my husband at the French School (Lycee) who talked to me about Jesus and gave me a copy of the Bible of John to read. I was very defiant but I felt overwhelming feelings for this boy . I accepted the Bible and decided to read it secretly of course because if my parents would have found out they would have severely reprimanded me.

Reading the first chapter overwhelmed my heart to the extent that I knew it is the Book of God and Jesus is the truth. That was a complete awakening for me. It was completely against anything spiritual and opposite to what I learned in Islam. I understood very well and precisely that God loves every human being without exception. I continued my discovery when I read a religious calendar with verses from the Bible that said that we can talk to God as a father. I experimented with this dialogue with God. Every evening before sleep I talked to God and felt with certainty that a presence filled my heart not like before when I recited the prayers for Allah and felt a void. This is an experience that really affected me. Time passed and I developed this firm belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God, that the Bible is the truth. I was not yet aware of the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross. I did not have the experience of repenting for my sins.

One evening when I returned home I found my mother in my room. She had found out through an anonymous phone call that I have been going out with a French boy and a non-Muslim. This was a real shock for her and also for me. I cried and suffered for some days and even thought to discontinue reading the Bible or talk to the Lord. For me everything was finished even the relationship with this boy. But I did not count on the will of the Lord to save me.

The following Monday his father called my parents and asked to meet them. During this meeting I prayed from the bottom of my heart. God blessed me when my mother came back from the meeting talking about marriage. I was very happy despite my young age of 18 years. Then we were married and that was really a miracle if you know the Muslim religion.

When the miracle was over our hearts were not with God anymore. We prayed that evening but we did not go to church and there was no real repentance from sin. The enemy has sown the trouble in our life and I contemplated divorce. But my husband and I knowing that the divorce will not please God we contacted the Evangelical Pentecostal Church. My husband started going to the meetings but I did not. One day God in his love sent me to this house of prayer. It was there that I really repented for my sins and that was the beginning of the relationship with the Lord Jesus. We have been baptized in 1996 and I am very happy to know the truth and to follow Jesus. In retrospect I realize how great our God is and how much he loves us and his will helped us to be saved. He never abandoned me.

Thank you Lord.

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