Христос и доброволниот комунизам

spiros напиша: Сепак тоа ништо не менува на фактот, дека, Вечното СЛОВО БОЖЈЕ (Христос) е темел на сё и во сё што е убаво, добро, праведно и вистинско, дури и во атеистичкиот комунизам! Или можеби вие ја гледате ВИСТИНАТА поинаку? Ако да, тогаш би ви бил благодарен да ми ја кажете и вашата моментална перспектива. Поздрав

Pa kako da ti ja kazhame a sepak da razberesh :))), ajde kje se obidam:

Koj e denes proleterijat i shto e so negoviot bit ? Strofa od Internacionalata na slovenjechki odeshe vaka: Bili smo nic, bodimo vse! (Bevme nishto da bideme se'!)”
Ako nekogash beshe dilemeta komunizam ili varvarstvo, ochigledno e deka ne uspeavme vo komunizmot , taka da ekstrapoalacijata izgleda vaka:

К о н е ч н о   г о
с р у ш и в м е
к о м у н и з м о т ,
с е г а   д о а ѓ а
н а   р е д
к а п и т а л и з м о т



Изменето од Marko sk - 03.Мај.2009 во 23:47

spiros напиша: melhisedek напиша: vo ranoto hristijanstvo vodac, glava, vlada . pretsedatel. premier bil dobriot pastir--- svetiot duh,isus hristos , bog! a koj e dobriot pastir vo komunizmot? Раното Христијанство и е ВИСТИНСКИОТ комунизам, додека оној што го доживеавме во 20 век, на крајот испадна дека беше воден од истото его против кое се бореше самиот! melhisedek, се радувам што те читам, што си здрав и жив ! znam brate znam :) pozdrav (

vo ranoto hristijanstvo vodac, glava, vlada . pretsedatel. premier bil dobriot pastir--- svetiot duh,isus hristos , bog!
a koj e dobriot pastir vo komunizmot?

Ranoto Hristijanstvo e mnogu slicno so komunizmot sto go propovedale Marks i Engels, samo ima edna golema razlika.

Komunizmot e sozdavanje na moralno opstestvo bez veruvanje vo BOG, a kako sto znaeme ISUS HRISTOS i ranite Hristijani veruvaa vo Bog i ziveeja vo komuni i delea se sto im bese zaednicko. Znaci ima nekoi slicnosti no razlikata e vo toa sto komunistite ne veruvaa vo BOG. A bez BOGA toa ne e Hristijanstvo, kolku i da e slicno...

Се што ќе пронајдам со Македонска транскрипција ќе постирам доколку ми е потребно, меѓутоа доколку не постои супституција , се плашам дека би морал да користам изворни текстови.
Дали е тоа во согласност со прописите на подфорумот ( доколку ги има нормално)?

Овде се гледа кој размислува христијанско- комунистички.
Во прилог на твојата констатација би сакал да изложам неколку извадоци од библијата кои се од круцијално значење за да се акцентира социјалниот карактер на Христовото учење.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things in common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. (King James Version)


32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. 36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet. (King James Version)

Инаку и двете се едни од моите омилени пасуси од светото писмо. Пред појавата на маркс, концептот за секуларен комунизам, или потоцно казано атеистички комунизам не постоеше. Секој вид на комунистички организирана егзистенција во форма на комуни беше инспирирана од страна на христијанството. Како што беше на пр Колонијата на Плисмут во Англија , додека пак првата комунистичка секуларизирана организација беше ,,Лига на Праведните,, , чие мото беше ,, Сите луѓе се браќа,,. и Самите Карл Маркс и Фридрих енгелс се зачленуваат во истата во 1847 та година, а на нејзино барање се пишува Манифестот на Комунистичката партија.

Доказ за тоа дека првите Христијани живееле во комуни се и следниве извадоци

Евангелие според Лука (1:49-53),
49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. 50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. 51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. 52 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. 53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.

Овде пак ќе го изложам ставот на Христа спрема богатите
Матеј 19:16-24
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why do you ask me about what is good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Христ исто така се однесува со презир кон оние кои се вклучени во трафицирање на парични средства, а за таквите операции го Користат ерусалимскиот храм и им се обраќа со ,, крадци,,.

Според Матеј

12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. 14 And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them.

Христ исто така се поистоветува со сиромашните гладните ( рудиментирано сфаќање за класен антагонизам) И вели дека на нациите и народите ќе им се суди според нивните дела и постапки ( кларифицирано може да се воочи дека станува збор за никулците на социјалната и економската критика)

Матеј 25:31-46
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory; 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats; 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 For I was hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in; 36 Naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink; 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment; but the righteous into life eternal. Утре продолжуваме брате, се надевам А до тогаш, господ бог со нас и меѓу нас.