Догма или не?

Bi sakal nekako ovaa da bide razjasneto normalno ako ima nekoj koj moze da go objasni ovaa,imeno.
Po islamski zakoni koi mozeme da gi najdeme vo k*ranot siluvanjeto moze da bide osudeno samo ako siluvacot sam priznae ili ako ima cetiri MASKI svedoci.Zena koja obvinuva za siluvanje a nema cetiri maski svedoci koi toj akt go smetaat za siluvanje fakticki spored islamskite zakoni priznava samo deka imala seks, vsusnost toa ne bilo siluvanje.

Kako potvrda no ovaa e k*ranot so slednovo:

Sura 24-4 One koji okrive poštene žene, a ne dokažu to s cetiri svjedoka, sa osamdeset udaraca bica izbicujte i nikada više svjedocenje njihovo ne primajte; to su necasni ljudi.

Sura 24-13 Zašto nisu cetvoricu svjedoka doveli? A pošto svjedoke nisu doveli, oni su onda kod Allaha lažljivci.

Koe e vaseto mislenje???

Kako prvo vo ISLAMOT nema dogmai, takvo neshto ne postoi, toa si e vashe Hristijansko veruvanje, ili pardon, tvoe gavolsko veruvanje, poshto neveruvam deka si Hristijanin, Isus vo evangelijata veli, koj ke te udri po leviot svrtimugo i desniot obraz, spored ovaa definicija batka ti voopshto ne odgovarash na poimot Hristijanin, bideeki odkako si dojden na forumov kreirash samo temi koi se Protiv Islamot!!!

A negledash li deka samo ni pomagash da gi objasnime site nedorazbiranja koi se vrtat vo nerazumni glavi...
Blagodarime na pomoshta od tvoja strana, iako nesi svesen deka ni pomagash no sepak Blagodarnost do tebe!


Ajetite koi gi citirash povtorno ti se od nekakvi Antiislamski stranici, koi nete ucat na praviot pat na razmislivanje tuku ti stavaat nivna misla vo tvojata glava, na koja misla podkleknuva samo nerazumna glava, i voedno postanuvash niven produkt so Ispran mozok, pa so takov mozok moze da se funkcionira samo megu nerazumni i neznalici, a ovde na forumov batka toa neti pali.... ajde da ti objasnam:

Tocno e toa deka Islamot bara 4 svedoci da dokazat deka go videle aktot na preljuba, nemora da znaci deka e siluvanje, za siluvanje si ima drug zakon, ajetot za koj zboruvash e za preljuba, zinaluk, Ozenet maz so druga zena ili obratno, e za vakvite sleduva kazna spored islamot.

Zashto se bara 4 svedoci?

Posle dinot (veruvanjeto) najdragocenata rabota koja moze da ja ima eden Musliman e negovata cest, i cesta na negovata familija, poagaeki od ovoj aspekt, navreduvanje na cesta na nevina zena ili maz, e golem grev, za da se spreci ocrnuvanje na nevini licnosti Allah ni dava zakon koj veli deka 4 luge treba da posvedocat za da se izvrhi presudata na lugeto koi go napravile zabranetiot Akt, i da se ima sigurnost i nepokoleblivost kon izvrshuvanjeto na kaznata na doticnata licnost, bideeki kaznuvanje na nevin covek e pogolem grev od samiot grev za koj se kaznuvaat!!!!

I dodeka ti gledash so zli oci, Muslimanite na ova gledaat na pravilen nacin, i ja svakaat porakata deka Golem e grevot da se obvini nevin covek...

da ti dadam i primer:

Vo vremeto na khalefah Omer r.a doshle 4 luge koi posvedocile deka videle Akt na zinaluk, (preljuba) pa Omer gi prashuva dali ste sigurni, i dali znaete deka ako nesvedocite pravilno, vash ve sleduva kaznata?
onie odgovorile DA.

Lugevo sakaat da i nashtetat na edna zena koja e nevina, za koja smetaat na osnova na sumlja deka izvrshila preljuba...
Pa 3 do niv posvedocile isto od zbor do zbor, no 4 vo momentot na svedocenjeto se pokajuva i priznava deka nevidel toa shto kazuvaat predhodnite 3 , priznava deka sakaat da i nashtetat na zenata, i togash Omer r.a. nareduva de se tepaat svedocite koi sakaat da obvinat nevina zena....


E sega neznam kolkavo ti e nivoto na percepcija i kolku razbra od ova, pa bi ti preporacal da ja zatvorish temava da ne si pravish klovn od samiot sebe!!!

No edno sum siguren deka i koga bi ja zatvoril temava (shto neveruvam deka ke ja zatvorish) ke si otvorish druga tema vo koja ke go "ocrnuvash" ISLAMOT, no bidi siguren deka, shto poveke se trudish da nanesish shteta, tolku poveke mu nanesuvash dobro na ISLAMOT, a samiot od sebe pravish Hristijanin koj ne go sledi Isusoviot zbor.

Изменето од Sahih Bukhari - 23.Февруари.2008 во 12:58

Objasnuvanjeto koe ti go davas ne korespondira so relanta slika koja veli deka zenata moze da ja dokazae svojata nevinost samo vo slucaj dokolku ima cetiri maski svedoci koi ce potvrdat deka taa bila siluvana vo sprotivno taa ne moze da dokaze deka e siluvana. Inaku mojata cel na forumov e da diskutiram a toa dali sum jas anti islamist ili sum ili ne sum hristijanin vas ne treba da ve zasega, a i siguren sum deka ne ve zasega. Vas ve zasega sto mozebi velam mozebi dosega na forumot se sto ste servirale bilo goltano od pricina sto ve ima povece i sto so vasite napadi vrz licnosto mnogu clenovi na forumot ste gi naterale da se otkazat od sekakva ponatamosna dikusija se so cel da ne se spustat i tie na vase nivo. Inaku do sega so nikakov argument ne izlegovte i ne kazavte nisto sto korespondira so vaseto ucenje za mir so site drugi religii. Od vasite postovi se zaklucuva deka se drzite zaedno (sto e dobra odlika) i deka vo nedostatok na fakti stavate na tapet vasi licni viduvanja za licnosta koja vo DISKUSIJA e protiv vas. Me narekuvate krstonosec pa da mozebi sum ali ako sum jas krstonosec togas vie stite ste jihadisti. No jas toa ne go rekov nikade zasto povece sum od svesten da znam so kogo imam rabota no toa na nikoj nacin ne znaci deka se plasam da debatiram so vas ( pa ako sakate i na vas nacin) a uste pomlaku znaci deka vasite navredi dopiraat do mene. Vie znaete deka vo svetot radikalizmot e osuden no vie isto taka znaete vasiot radikalizam licemerno da go kriete. Jas ne krijam nisto i vasiot stav deka jas mrazam muslimani e mnogu pogresen kako prvo za da mrazis moras da bides bog a jas ne sum bog jas sum samo eden obicen covek koj na vasite provokacii odgovara so fakti i namesto da stavam nekoi ubavi sliki i za mojata i za vasta religija jas diskutiram, i zboruvam za se sto e negativno a i ubavo vo religiite. Inaku jas imam provedeno dosta vreme vo zemji kade sto e praviot islam i imam mnogu prijateli tamu i samo edno ce vi kazam za vasata religija znam povece od toa sto vie mozete da zamislite. Jas k*ranot go imam slusano od stari ludje od kuwait dubai avganistan irak i znaete sto so niv sum diskutiral za istite prasanja za koi so vas diskutiram i vo 90% slucai sme dosle do zaklucok deka imalo greski postojat kontradiktornosti postojat nevistini no setoa toa e covecki Imamot vo El Salmia dzamijata vo kuwait mi ima kazano toa deka i muslimanite i hristijanite se ludje pred se a ludjeto ne smao sto pravat greski tuku i propovedaat i koj garantira deka vo tie propovedi nema greski - za zal nekoi od tie greski se dlaboko implementirani vo islamot dalboko implementirani vo hristijanstvoto so cel da moze da se manipulira so masite. Znaci jas ne probuva da pobedam musliman niti pak da uzdignam hristijan - fakt e deka taa borba traela i ce trae se dodeka e svetot i ni jas ni vie ne mozeme toa da go izmenime istorijata e svedok. No isto e fakt deka jas ne probuvam da ja dokazam cistota na hristijanstvoto koga ne e taka. A drug fakt e deka vie probuvate da ja dokazete cistotata na islamot a i toa znaeme deka ne e taka. Jas sum samo za edna sredina vo koja kritikite upateni do religijata da bidat upateni bez pristrasnosti i fanatizam. No isto taka sekogas ama bas sekogas koga vie ce idete so napadi jas ce idam so uste pogolemi jas znam deka niti toa vas ce ve pokoleba niti pak mene ce me pokoleba i jas znam deka e toa zatvoren krug vo koj mozeme da se mavame do krajot na vremeto i nikoj nema da pobedi no jas nema da se povlecam. Vie ste gordi na vasata religija isto tolku kolku sto sum jas gord na moajata religija, vie ste gordi na vasite osvojuvaci isto tolku kolku sto sum jas gord na moite. Jas samo osuduvam edno a toa e terorizmot i moite ubeduvanja okolu nego se nepokoleblivi, sto ne znaci deka se ispravni. Inaku moja cel bila i ce bidne da diskutiram so fakti i so vistina. A se nadevam i mu se molam na boga ( vo koj vie velite ne veruvam) da eden den site vojni prestanat i site ludej bez razlika na vera ziveat vo mir ne mora da ziveat slozno samo neka e mir. Zasto jas znam kako izgleda vojnata jas znam zasto ucestvuvam vo nea, jas znam kolku i e na edna majka vazno dali gore na neboto e muhamed ili isus koga vo racete drzi svoe mrtvo dete,ili koga covek koj gradel cel ivot kako mu gori kucata ne go interesira ni vera ni veroispovest. A fakt e deka tie ubivanja palenja ruzenja gi pravime nie i muslimanite i hristijanite. Dali ako ubijam 100 muslimani ce odam vo raj ili pak ako ubies 100 hristijani ti ce odis vo raj e totalno nevazno zasto zivotot ovdeka sega denes vo ovoj momet e toa sto se broji.No pak moram da kazam deka nikogas nema da se otkazam i nikogas neam da prifatam nevistini zasto kolku e kvarna mojata vera tolku e kvarna i vasata.

Templarius напиша: Objasnuvanjeto koe ti go davas ne korespondira so relanta slika koja veli deka zenata moze da ja dokazae svojata nevinost samo vo slucaj dokolku ima cetiri maski svedoci koi ce potvrdat deka taa bila siluvana vo sprotivno taa ne moze da dokaze deka e siluvana. Inaku mojata cel na forumov e da diskutiram a toa dali sum jas anti islamist ili sum ili ne sum hristijanin vas ne treba da ve zasega, a i siguren sum deka ne ve zasega. Vas ve zasega sto mozebi velam mozebi dosega na forumot se sto ste servirale bilo goltano od pricina sto ve ima povece i sto so vasite napadi vrz licnosto mnogu clenovi na forumot ste gi naterale da se otkazat od sekakva ponatamosna dikusija se so cel da ne se spustat i tie na vase nivo. Inaku do sega so nikakov argument ne izlegovte i ne kazavte nisto sto korespondira so vaseto ucenje za mir so site drugi religii. Od vasite postovi se zaklucuva deka se drzite zaedno (sto e dobra odlika) i deka vo nedostatok na fakti stavate na tapet vasi licni viduvanja za licnosta koja vo DISKUSIJA e protiv vas. Me narekuvate krstonosec pa da mozebi sum ali ako sum jas krstonosec togas vie stite ste jihadisti. No jas toa ne go rekov nikade zasto povece sum od svesten da znam so kogo imam rabota no toa na nikoj nacin ne znaci deka se plasam da debatiram so vas ( pa ako sakate i na vas nacin) a uste pomlaku znaci deka vasite navredi dopiraat do mene. Vie znaete deka vo svetot radikalizmot e osuden no vie isto taka znaete vasiot radikalizam licemerno da go kriete. Jas ne krijam nisto i vasiot stav deka jas mrazam muslimani e mnogu pogresen kako prvo za da mrazis moras da bides bog a jas ne sum bog jas sum samo eden obicen covek koj na vasite provokacii odgovara so fakti i namesto da stavam nekoi ubavi sliki i za mojata i za vasta religija jas diskutiram, i zboruvam za se sto e negativno a i ubavo vo religiite. Inaku jas imam provedeno dosta vreme vo zemji kade sto e praviot islam i imam mnogu prijateli tamu i samo edno ce vi kazam za vasata religija znam povece od toa sto vie mozete da zamislite. Jas k*ranot go imam slusano od stari ludje od kuwait dubai avganistan irak i znaete sto so niv sum diskutiral za istite prasanja za koi so vas diskutiram i vo 90% slucai sme dosle do zaklucok deka imalo greski postojat kontradiktornosti postojat nevistini no setoa toa e covecki Imamot vo El Salmia dzamijata vo kuwait mi ima kazano toa deka i muslimanite i hristijanite se ludje pred se a ludjeto ne smao sto pravat greski tuku i propovedaat i koj garantira deka vo tie propovedi nema greski - za zal nekoi od tie greski se dlaboko implementirani vo islamot dalboko implementirani vo hristijanstvoto so cel da moze da se manipulira so masite. Znaci jas ne probuva da pobedam musliman niti pak da uzdignam hristijan - fakt e deka taa borba traela i ce trae se dodeka e svetot i ni jas ni vie ne mozeme toa da go izmenime istorijata e svedok. No isto e fakt deka jas ne probuvam da ja dokazam cistota na hristijanstvoto koga ne e taka. A drug fakt e deka vie probuvate da ja dokazete cistotata na islamot a i toa znaeme deka ne e taka. Jas sum samo za edna sredina vo koja kritikite upateni do religijata da bidat upateni bez pristrasnosti i fanatizam. No isto taka sekogas ama bas sekogas koga vie ce idete so napadi jas ce idam so uste pogolemi jas znam deka niti toa vas ce ve pokoleba niti pak mene ce me pokoleba i jas znam deka e toa zatvoren krug vo koj mozeme da se mavame do krajot na vremeto i nikoj nema da pobedi no jas nema da se povlecam. Vie ste gordi na vasata religija isto tolku kolku sto sum jas gord na moajata religija, vie ste gordi na vasite osvojuvaci isto tolku kolku sto sum jas gord na moite. Jas samo osuduvam edno a toa e terorizmot i moite ubeduvanja okolu nego se nepokoleblivi, sto ne znaci deka se ispravni. Inaku moja cel bila i ce bidne da diskutiram so fakti i so vistina. A se nadevam i mu se molam na boga ( vo koj vie velite ne veruvam) da eden den site vojni prestanat i site ludej bez razlika na vera ziveat vo mir ne mora da ziveat slozno samo neka e mir. Zasto jas znam kako izgleda vojnata jas znam zasto ucestvuvam vo nea, jas znam kolku i e na edna majka vazno dali gore na neboto e muhamed ili isus koga vo racete drzi svoe mrtvo dete,ili koga covek koj gradel cel ivot kako mu gori kucata ne go interesira ni vera ni veroispovest. A fakt e deka tie ubivanja palenja ruzenja gi pravime nie i muslimanite i hristijanite. Dali ako ubijam 100 muslimani ce odam vo raj ili pak ako ubies 100 hristijani ti ce odis vo raj e totalno nevazno zasto zivotot ovdeka sega denes vo ovoj momet e toa sto se broji.No pak moram da kazam deka nikogas nema da se otkazam i nikogas neam da prifatam nevistini zasto kolku e kvarna mojata vera tolku e kvarna i vasata.

Nejse Tekstov go procitav nema da ti repliciram na tekstov,bidejci,imas laftano mnogu,nekade zboris dobro,kade vikas deka sakas da zaprat vojnite,A ti samiot ucestvuvs vo Niv,i toa mi dava mene do zaklucok,deka toa samo go Zboruvas,a ne go posakuvas

Poso za da se zaprat vojnite treba da pocneme od samite sebesi,Prvo nie,pa potoa toa da go nareduvame na Drugite,Bidejci ako edno nareduvas,a Ti ne se pridrzuvas na toa,Togas se rabotat za LICEMERIE..

Ona na sto povikuvas,Treba prvo samiot da Bides najdobar Primer za toa....

Kolku ti veruvas Vo Gospod,toa samiot ti si go znais i Gospod,Isto i za nas,Kolku nie veruvame vo Gospod,samite znaeme i Gospod znaet za toa...Veruvanjeto na Covekot se Pokazuvat so Negovite DELA..Vernik e sekoj koj ce Gi pociyuvat naredbete od Boga,i ce se Otrgnuvat od zabranete...

No nejse..Da se vrateme na Ona sto Ti go baras..

Ti baras,ovie dva Ajeti koi si gi pastiral da ti se daet do znaenje za so se rabotet...

Bratmi Sahih,ti dade Dobar Odgovor,no ti nesakas da go prifatis...Prvo ne se rabotat za iskazuvanje na Siluvanje,se rabotet za Blud..


Znaci so ajetot..24-4.kade se velet:One koji okrive po{tene `ene, a ne doka`u to s ~etiri svjedoka, sa osamdeset udara bi~a izbi~ujte i nikada vi{e svjedo~enje njihovo ne primajte; to su ne~asni ljudi,


Tuka so ovoj Ajet,Allah.xh.sh. ni nareduvat onie koi Bezpravno gi obvinuvaat cesnite zeni,na takvite Klevetnici treba im se udrat po 80 stapovi,Znaci tuka se rabotet za KLEVETNICITE,koi isklevetuvaat zena,(kako sto kaza bratmi Sahih,a site tie Klevetnici ne se so isto mislenje,na pr:edniot,da recet kaj Halifot,jas ja vidov vo 3 satot vo ponedelnik,a drugiot jas vo 5 vo vtornik)Tuka vece sasmiot gledas deka se rabotat za Kleveta, i ni se nareduvat na Takvite nikogas povece da ne gi povikuvame za Svedoci poso tie se Lalivci i Klevetnici

Do tuka e jasno???

Sega odeme so vtoriot ajet
Za{to nisu ~etvoricu svjedoka doveli? A po{to svjedoke nisu doveli, oni su onda kod Allaha la`ljivci


Ovoj ajet e objaven za obvinuvanjata Vrz Aisha.r.a.(Zenata na Pejgamberot)so ovoj ajet Allah.xh.sh. ni kazuvat za onie sto ja izmislile Klevetata vrz AIJSA.r.a.

Pette godine po Hidzretu je ucinjen pohod protiv plemena Mustalik.U ovom pohodu se i Ajsha.r.a. pridruzila Bozjem PoslanikuVracajucise s ovog pohoda ,radi Nuzde se Ajsha.r.a. malo udaljila od Karavane.

Na povratku je opazila da je izgubila Ogrlicu,koja joj je na vratu visila,pa ja otisla da je trazi.

Dok je ona trazila svoja ugrlica,karavana je krenula,a oni koji su nosili AJSHA.r.a. misleci da se ona nalazi u svjoj nosjici,poveli su i njenu Devu.Kad Ajsha.r.a. nije nikoga nasla na mjestu gdeje bila karavana,Sjlela je i Iscekivala da je neko Potraze.

]Iza karavane je zaostao Safvan i nasao je Ajsha.r.a. na putu,pa je posadiu na devu i posao za karavanom.Munafici(Dvolicnjci) su to uzeli na jezik i iznjeli su razne potvore.



Neki Muslimani su se za njima poveli i povjerovali su u te objede.DA bi se dokazala Nevinost i Cistoca Ajshina.r.a. ovi potvaraci su udarili na razne nevolje i patnje.

Znaci so ovoj ajet Allah.xh.sh. gi povikuvat na onie koi iznesle Kleveta,zosto ne Donesle 4 svedoci za toa sto ja klevetele Ajsha.r.a.

Ako si zainteresiran mozam i celata sluca da ti ja pisam, no ce treba povece vreme..

Mislam deka ova go barase???[/B
Ako gresam moze nekoj od moite braca da me Koregirat.

Изменето од Halid ibn Velid - 23.Февруари.2008 во 17:51

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 462:

Narrated 'Aisha:

Whenever Allah's Apostle intended to go on a journey, he used to draw lots amongst his wives, and Allah's Apostle used to take with him the one on whom lot fell. He drew lots amongst us during one of the Ghazwat which he fought. The lot fell on me and so I proceeded with Allah's Apostle after Allah's order of veiling (the women) had been revealed. I was carried (on the back of a camel) in my howdah and carried down while still in it (when we came to a halt). So we went on till Allah's Apostle had finished from that Ghazwa of his and returned.

When we approached the city of Medina he announced at night that it was time for departure. So when they announced the news of departure, I got up and went away from the army camps, and after finishing from the call of nature, I came back to my riding animal. I touched my chest to find that my necklace which was made of Zifar beads (i.e. Yemenite beads partly black and partly white) was missing. So I returned to look for my necklace and my search for it detained me. (In the meanwhile) the people who used to carry me on my camel, came and took my howdah and put it on the back of my camel on which I used to ride, as they considered that I was in it. In those days women were light in weight for they did not get fat, and flesh did not cover their bodies in abundance as they used to eat only a little food. Those people therefore, disregarded the lightness of the howdah while lifting and carrying it; and at that time I was still a young girl. They made the camel rise and all of them left (along with it). I found my necklace after the army had gone.

Then I came to their camping place to find no call maker of them, nor one who would respond to the call. So I intended to go to the place where I used to stay, thinking that they would miss me and come back to me (in my search). While I was sitting in my resting place, I was overwhelmed by sleep and slept. Safwan bin Al-Muattal As-Sulami Adh-Dhakwani was behind the army. When he reached my place in the morning, he saw the figure of a sleeping person and he recognized me on seeing me as he had seen me before the order of compulsory veiling (was prescribed). So I woke up when he recited Istirja' (i.e. "Inna lillahi wa inna llaihi raji'un") as soon as he recognized me. I veiled my face with my head cover at once, and by Allah, we did not speak a single word, and I did not hear him saying any word besides his Istirja'. He dismounted from his camel and made it kneel down, putting his leg on its front legs and then I got up and rode on it. Then he set out leading the camel that was carrying me till we overtook the army in the extreme heat of midday while they were at a halt (taking a rest). (Because of the event) some people brought destruction upon themselves and the one who spread the Ifk (i.e. slander) more, was 'Abdullah bin Ubai Ibn Salul."

(Urwa said, "The people propagated the slander and talked about it in his (i.e. 'Abdullah's) presence and he confirmed it and listened to it and asked about it to let it prevail." Urwa also added, "None was mentioned as members of the slanderous group besides ('Abdullah) except Hassan bin Thabit and Mistah bin Uthatha and Hamna bint Jahsh along with others about whom I have no knowledge, but they were a group as Allah said. It is said that the one who carried most of the slander was 'Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul." Urwa added, "'Aisha disliked to have Hassan abused in her presence and she used to say, 'It was he who said: My father and his (i.e. my father's) father and my honor are all for the protection of Muhammad's honor from you.").

'Aisha added, "After we returned to Medina, I became ill for a month. The people were propagating the forged statements of the slanderers while I was unaware of anything of all that, but I felt that in my present ailment, I was not receiving the same kindness from Allah's Apostle as I used to receive when I got sick. (But now) Allah's Apostle would only come, greet me and say,' How is that (lady)?' and leave. That roused my doubts, but I did not discover the evil (i.e. slander) till I went out after my convalescence, I went out with Um Mistah to Al-Manasi' where we used to answer the call of nature and we used not to go out (to answer the call of nature) except at night, and that was before we had latrines near our houses. And this habit of our concerning evacuating the bowels, was similar to the habits of the old 'Arabs living in the deserts, for it would be troublesome for us to take latrines near our houses. So I and Um Mistah who was the daughter of Abu Ruhm bin Al-Muttalib bin Abd Manaf, whose mother was the daughter of Sakhr bin 'Amir and the aunt of Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and whose son was Mistah bin Uthatha bin 'Abbas bin Al-Muttalib, went out. I and Um Mistah returned to my house after we finished answering the call of nature. Um Mistah stumbled by getting her foot entangled in her covering sheet and on that she said, 'Let Mistah be ruined!' I said, 'What a hard word you have said. Do you abuse a man who took part in the battle of Badr?' On that she said, 'O you Hantah! Didn't you hear what he (i.e. Mistah) said? 'I said, 'What did he say?'

Then she told me the slander of the people of Ifk. So my ailment was aggravated, and when I reached my home, Allah's Apostle came to me, and after greeting me, said, 'How is that (lady)?' I said, 'Will you allow me to go to my parents?' as I wanted to be sure about the news through them. Allah's Apostle allowed me (and I went to my parents) and asked my mother, 'O mother! What are the people talking about?' She said, 'O my daughter! Don't worry, for scarcely is there a charming woman who is loved by her husband and whose husband has other wives besides herself that they (i.e. women) would find faults with her.' I said, 'Subhan-Allah! (I testify the uniqueness of Allah). Are the people really talking in this way?' I kept on weeping that night till dawn I could neither stop weeping nor sleep then in the morning again, I kept on weeping. When the Divine Inspiration was delayed.

Allah's Apostle called 'Ali bin Abi Talib and Usama bin Zaid to ask and consult them about divorcing me. Usama bin Zaid said what he knew of my innocence, and the respect he preserved in himself for me. Usama said, '(O Allah's Apostle!) She is your wife and we do not know anything except good about her.' 'Ali bin Abi Talib said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Allah does not put you in difficulty and there are plenty of women other than she, yet, ask the maid-servant who will tell you the truth.' On that Allah's Apostle called Barira (i.e. the maid-servant) and said, 'O Barira! Did you ever see anything which aroused your suspicion?' Barira said to him, 'By Him Who has sent you with the Truth. I have never seen anything in her (i.e. Aisha) which I would conceal, except that she is a young girl who sleeps leaving the dough of her family exposed so that the domestic goats come and eat it.'

So, on that day, Allah's Apostle got up on the pulpit and complained about 'Abdullah bin Ubai (bin Salul) before his companions, saying, 'O you Muslims! Who will relieve me from that man who has hurt me with his evil statement about my family? By Allah, I know nothing except good about my family and they have blamed a man about whom I know nothing except good and he used never to enter my home except with me.' Sad bin Mu'adh the brother of Banu 'Abd Al-Ashhal got up and said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I will relieve you from him; if he is from the tribe of Al-Aus, then I will chop his head off, and if he is from our brothers, i.e. Al-Khazraj, then order us, and we will fulfill your order.' On that, a man from Al-Khazraj got up. Um Hassan, his cousin, was from his branch tribe, and he was Sad bin Ubada, chief of Al-Khazraj. Before this incident, he was a pious man, but his love for his tribe goaded him into saying to Sad (bin Mu'adh). 'By Allah, you have told a lie; you shall not and cannot kill him. If he belonged to your people, you would not wish him to be killed.'

On that, Usaid bin Hudair who was the cousin of Sad (bin Mu'adh) got up and said to Sad bin 'Ubada, 'By Allah! You are a liar! We will surely kill him, and you are a hypocrite arguing on the behalf of hypocrites.' On this, the two tribes of Al-Aus and Al Khazraj got so much excited that they were about to fight while Allah's Apostle was standing on the pulpit. Allah's Apostle kept on quietening them till they became silent and so did he. All that day I kept on weeping with my tears never ceasing, and I could never sleep.

In the morning my parents were with me and I wept for two nights and a day with my tears never ceasing and I could never sleep till I thought that my liver would burst from weeping. So, while my parents were sitting with me and I was weeping, an Ansari woman asked me to grant her admittance. I allowed her to come in, and when she came in, she sat down and started weeping with me. While we were in this state, Allah's Apostle came, greeted us and sat down. He had never sat with me since that day of the slander. A month had elapsed and no Divine Inspiration came to him about my case. Allah's Apostle then recited Tashah-hud and then said, 'Amma Badu, O 'Aisha! I have been informed so-and-so about you; if you are innocent, then soon Allah will reveal your innocence, and if you have committed a sin, then repent to Allah and ask Him for forgiveness for when a slave confesses his sins and asks Allah for forgiveness, Allah accepts his repentance.'

When Allah's Apostle finished his speech, my tears ceased flowing completely that I no longer felt a single drop of tear flowing. I said to my father, 'Reply to Allah's Apostle on my behalf concerning what he has said.' My father said, 'By Allah, I do not know what to say to Allah's Apostle .' Then I said to my mother, 'Reply to Allah's Apostle on my behalf concerning what he has said.' She said, 'By Allah, I do not know what to say to Allah's Apostle.' In spite of the fact that I was a young girl and had a little knowledge of Quran, I said, 'By Allah, no doubt I know that you heard this (slanderous) speech so that it has been planted in your hearts (i.e. minds) and you have taken it as a truth. Now if I tell you that I am innocent, you will not believe me, and if confess to you about it, and Allah knows that I am innocent, you will surely believe me. By Allah, I find no similitude for me and you except that of Joseph's father when he said, '(For me) patience in the most fitting against that which you assert; it is Allah (Alone) Whose Help can be sought.' Then I turned to the other side and lay on my bed; and Allah knew then that I was innocent and hoped that Allah would reveal my innocence. But, by Allah, I never thought that Allah would reveal about my case, Divine Inspiration, that would be recited (forever) as I considered myself too unworthy to be talked of by Allah with something of my concern, but I hoped that Allah's Apostle might have a dream in which Allah would prove my innocence. But, by Allah, before Allah's Apostle left his seat and before any of the household left, the Divine inspiration came to Allah's Apostle.

So there overtook him the same hard condition which used to overtake him, (when he used to be inspired Divinely). The sweat was dropping from his body like pearls though it was a wintry day and that was because of the weighty statement which was being revealed to him. When that state of Allah's Apostle was over, he got up smiling, and the first word he said was, 'O 'Aisha! Allah has declared your innocence!' Then my Mother said to me, 'Get up and go to him (i.e. Allah's Apostle). I replied, 'By Allah, I will not go to him, and I praise none but Allah. So Allah revealed the ten Verses:-- "Verily! They who spread the slander Are a gang, among you............." (24.11-20)

Allah revealed those Quranic Verses to declare my innocence. Abu Bakr As-Siddiq who used to disburse money for Mistah bin Uthatha because of his relationship to him and his poverty, said, 'By Allah, I will never give to Mistah bin Uthatha anything after what he has said about Aisha.' Then Allah revealed:--

"And let not those among you who are good and wealthy swear not to give (any sort of help) to their kinsmen, those in need, and those who have left their homes for Allah's cause, let them pardon and forgive. Do you not love that Allah should forgive you? And Allah is oft-Forgiving Most Merciful." (24.22)

Abu Bakr As-Siddiq said, 'Yes, by Allah, I would like that Allah forgive me.' and went on giving Mistah the money he used to give him before. He also added, 'By Allah, I will never deprive him of it at all.'

Aisha further said:." Allah's Apostle also asked Zainab bint Jahsh (i.e. his wife) about my case. He said to Zainab, 'What do you know and what did you see?" She replied, "O Allah's Apostle! I refrain from claiming falsely that I have heard or seen anything. By Allah, I know nothing except good (about 'Aisha).' From amongst the wives of the Prophet Zainab was my peer (in beauty and in the love she received from the Prophet) but Allah saved her from that evil because of her piety. Her sister Hamna, started struggling on her behalf and she was destroyed along with those who were destroyed. The man who was blamed said, 'Subhan-Allah! By Him in Whose Hand my soul is, I have never uncovered the cover (i.e. veil) of any female.' Later on the man was martyred in Allah's Cause."

Znaci toa e prikaznata neli e a ovaa e objasnuvanjeto


Bukhari (5:59:462) - The background for the Qur'anic requirement of four witnesses to adultery. Muhammad's favorite wife, Aisha, was accused of cheating [on her polygamous husband]. Three witnesses corroborated the event, but Muhammad did not want to believe it, and so established the arbitrary rule that four witnesses are required.

A od ovaa proizleguva ovaa:
Deka obespravenosta na zenata e tolku golema vo ovoj slucaj Ajsha zena na muhamed da za taa da dokaze deka e siluvana mora da Ima 4 CETIRI MASKI SVEDOCI KOI TOA CE GO POTVRDAT. Vo slucaj na Ajsha taa go prevarila Muhamed no na nego toa ne mu odogovaralo. Inaku kolk godini imala Ajsha koga ja omazile za Muhamed???

Ke go cestam cel forum , koj shto saka, samo da vidam eden post napishan direktno od rakata na Templarcevo, bez necija pomosh i bez da si pravi copy-paste......

Se nadevam deka ke mi se ispolni zelbava



Bw. Temlarce ti pishav deka si produkt na bolni glavi, koi voedno te nasocuvaat kon patot na zabludata, zatoa podobro e za tebe vo raka da si fatish Quran i Hadisi, pa od prva raka da svatish Se.

Dosta veke so copiranjevo, navistina nedobivam volja da ti pishuvam, nema smisla da objasnuvash filozofija na magare!!!

Изменето од Sahih Bukhari - 24.Февруари.2008 во 11:29

Templarius напиша: Jas bev mnogu jasen vo odnos na mojot stav za vojnite a i za moeto ucestvo vo ovaa. Dodeka objasnuvanjeto na ajetite ne e dovolno inaku celata prikazna ja znam i bas zatoa prasuvam zatoa sto prikaznata i ajetite kazuvaat edno a ti drugo i ako odam po tvojata logika na rasuduvanje ako sum jas licemer ti si lazov.

Xexe..Opasen si ti be namat so! Abe Templare,Ti bese jasen vo tvojot stav,No Faktot sto ti Vojuvas go Unistuvat tvojot Stav.Za da tvojot stav bidet prifaten treba toa so fakti da go Dokazis, a ne Stavovi davas da zaprela Vojnata,a Fakt e deka si ti Prviot koj Vojuvas,Mislam sega nema da mi kazis deka lazam poso samiot rece deka si tamu nekade ,da siris"MIR"no nejse,ne e Vazno.

A za ajetite som si gi znael zosto togas prasuvas??Ili si inspiriran od nekoe Anti Islamsko brosurce?? Ajertot tokmu se rabotet za Ajsha.r.a.,a ako ti gi znaes Slobodno repliciraj, Od tuka ne gledam deka gi znaes,Poso ti da gi zanese sigurno ke Replicirase...No samo si Slusnal a ne si razbral..