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Тема: Митот за "Албанската мафија"
Постирано од: Averoes
Наслов: Митот за "Албанската мафија"
Датум на внесување: 26.Октомври.2007 во 23:51
Pocituvani Forumdzii ,ja otvoram ovaa tema poradi faktot sto nasekade kade se spomnuvaat Albanci (na forumot mislam) ,na nekoi od Clenovite im ostana praksa da ja spomnat i" Albanskata Mafija " navodno taa bila najgolemiot financier na Albanskot prasanje vo Balkanot .Od kade Mitot za famoznata "Albanska Mafija" ,sekako deka toa e del od Srpskata Propaganda protiv Albancite na Kosovo i Albancite voopsto ,postojano ke gi vidite na Mediumite na televizzii kade se pojavuvaat nekoi si kvazi-analiticari kade velat deka "Albanskata Mafija e najka vo svetot" ,najloso e sto nekoi neobrazovani Albanci pagaat na vakvite srpski stapici i tie pocnuvaat da se falat so toa .Realnosta e nesto drugo ,Srpskata politika se obiduva na sekakov nacin da gi ocrni Albancite ,taa namerno veli deka "Albanskata Mafija e najjaka" ,tie namerno te pravat "golem" ,tie namerno te pravat "jak" ,on te forcira za svoi pricini ,ne deka te fali tebe (na Albancite mislam) ,tuku so toa sto ti veli deka si "jak" saka da te prikaze kako golema opasnost.Se znae koj e najjaka Mafia vo svetoto ,ne somneno tuka vodecki se Ruskata ,Kineskata ,Meksikanskata (i drugite Latino-Karteli) .Srbite zaboravaat na "Zemunski KLAN" i mnogu drugi Mafijaski Klanovi ... ,za ponatamu vi ostavam vam da prokomentirate.pozdrav

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NE POSTOJAT LUDI LUGE, TUKU SAMO TAKVI, KOI NE SE VO POTPOLNOST SFATENI OD OSTANATITE !



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Постирано од: orlov
Датум на внесување: 27.Октомври.2007 во 01:00
Форумов ни е загаден.
*Барам дизинфекција.
*Зафатени сме делумно со епидемијата ,,МАФИЈА,,



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Постирано од: PAVLIN
Датум на внесување: 27.Октомври.2007 во 03:39
Originally posted by Ibn Khaldun Ibn Khaldun напиша:

Pocituvani Forumdzii ,ja otvoram ovaa tema poradi faktot sto nasekade kade se spomnuvaat Albanci (na forumot mislam) ,na nekoi od Clenovite im ostana praksa da ja spomnat i" Albanskata Mafija " navodno taa bila najgolemiot financier na Albanskot prasanje vo Balkanot .Od kade Mitot za famoznata "Albanska Mafija" ,sekako deka toa e del od Srpskata Propaganda protiv Albancite na Kosovo i Albancite voopsto ,postojano ke gi vidite na Mediumite na televizzii kade se pojavuvaat nekoi si kvazi-analiticari kade velat deka "Albanskata Mafija e najka vo svetot" ,najloso e sto nekoi neobrazovani Albanci pagaat na vakvite srpski stapici i tie pocnuvaat da se falat so toa .Realnosta e nesto drugo ,Srpskata politika se obiduva na sekakov nacin da gi ocrni Albancite ,taa namerno veli deka "Albanskata Mafija e najjaka" ,tie namerno te pravat "golem" ,tie namerno te pravat "jak" ,on te forcira za svoi pricini ,ne deka te fali tebe (na Albancite mislam) ,tuku so toa sto ti veli deka si "jak" saka da te prikaze kako golema opasnost.Se znae koj e najjaka Mafia vo svetoto ,ne somneno tuka vodecki se Ruskata ,Kineskata ,Meksikanskata (i drugite Latino-Karteli) .Srbite zaboravaat na "Zemunski KLAN" i mnogu drugi Mafijaski Klanovi ... ,za ponatamu vi ostavam vam da prokomentirate.pozdrav


....   MOLAM!!!...ti se razbiras sto sakas da kazes ...veruvaj ne sakam da bidam vo nieden moment cinicen, ne sakam da vodam jalova diskusija , i ke go cenam tvoeto mislenje ako normalno so fakti mi go doobjasnis gore navedenoto...pozdrva


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Постирано од: moira
Датум на внесување: 27.Октомври.2007 во 17:49
Albanci i mitologija
Vo nedostatok na sopstvena mitologija, faktickite opstestveno devijantni sostojbi vo 21 vek, koi se observirani i dokazani vo site drzavi na Zemjinata topka, kade sto boravat Shqiptar-ite, gi narekuvaat MITOLOGIJA. E pogolema glupost ne sum slusnala. shqiptar und mythology


Постирано од: dras
Датум на внесување: 28.Октомври.2007 во 00:50
Интересна констатација, албанска мафија што ли беше тоа!? Г-дин Кхалдун јасно е зошто ве погаѓа проблемот „албанска мафија“, не се толку македонците распространети низ европските земји како албанците, а некако највеќе проблеми на институциите кои се бават со законот и безбедноста во ЕУ, им прават баш Вашите сонародници, на Ваша жалост и меѓу Вас има интелектуалци кои работите ги гледат од друг агол, проблемот е што организираните мафијашки кланови кај вашите согрѓани го земаат својот данок, така да поштено вложениот труд не доаѓа до израз него профитот го носат, и самите знаете прашокот, проституцијата и оружјето, но зошто јас имам впечаток дека во сите три гупи на недозволени активности случјно се вмешани повќе од 90% албанци, и случајно по некој србин со македонско потекло да речеме Чочоровска како пример. Затоа добро е што на форумот е изнесен проблемот, но вистината е дека по клуч веќе имате  и албанци вработени во безбедносните структури и тие нека се позанимаваат со Вашиот проблем , или пак пробајте на стариот начин повторно вклучете ги џамиите, најлесно е да се „води политика“, но гледам дека можеби и кај вас веќе се јавува проблемот на раскинување на племенската заедница и јачање на култот на поединец со повисоко ниво на образование кое си го работи своето. Времето ќе покаже, желбата  за војни и кај Вас почнува да се губи!?



Постирано од: dragon
Датум на внесување: 28.Октомври.2007 во 11:22
Khaldun poveli pisi si na svojot majcin jazik samo taka ke ni napravis usluga, ne znam zosto se opteretuvas vaka bukva po bukva, neli si za Ohridskiot ramkoven dogovor pa poveli pridrzuvajse covece. Si se fatil kako pijan za plot niz forumov pa samo novi i novi temi nametnuvas demek mngu si interesen. Se znae sonot na siptarite koj e pa daj sonuvaj si go a nas ostavi ne raat. 


Постирано од: Averoes
Датум на внесување: 28.Октомври.2007 во 15:12
Originally posted by dragon dragon напиша:

Khaldun poveli pisi si na svojot majcin jazik samo taka ke ni napravis usluga, ne znam zosto se opteretuvas vaka bukva po bukva, neli si za Ohridskiot ramkoven dogovor pa poveli pridrzuvajse covece. Si se fatil kako pijan za plot niz forumov pa samo novi i novi temi nametnuvas demek mngu si interesen. Se znae sonot na siptarite koj e pa daj sonuvaj si go a nas ostavi ne raat. 
   Jas ne nametnuvam temi ,samo koga treba nesto da se kaze ,go iznesuvam ,ako toa tebe ne ti se dopaga ,togas nikoj so sila ne te tera da pisuvas na ovaa tema i na drugite  temi otvoreni od moja strana .pozdrav

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Постирано од: Boogie
Датум на внесување: 28.Октомври.2007 во 15:15
Абе энаеме дека си невин,уживај

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Постирано од: Averoes
Датум на внесување: 28.Октомври.2007 во 15:27
Originally posted by dsds dsds напиша:

Интересна констатација, албанска мафија што ли беше тоа!? Г-дин Кхалдун јасно е зошто ве погаѓа проблемот „албанска мафија“, не се толку македонците распространети низ европските земји како албанците, а некако највеќе проблеми на институциите кои се бават со законот и безбедноста во ЕУ, им прават баш Вашите сонародници, на Ваша жалост и меѓу Вас има интелектуалци кои работите ги гледат од друг агол, проблемот е што организираните мафијашки кланови кај вашите согрѓани го земаат својот данок, така да поштено вложениот труд не доаѓа до израз него профитот го носат, и самите знаете прашокот, проституцијата и оружјето, но зошто јас имам впечаток дека во сите три гупи на недозволени активности случјно се вмешани повќе од 90% албанци, и случајно по некој србин со македонско потекло да речеме Чочоровска како пример. Затоа добро е што на форумот е изнесен проблемот, но вистината е дека по клуч веќе имате  и албанци вработени во безбедносните структури и тие нека се позанимаваат со Вашиот проблем , или пак пробајте на стариот начин повторно вклучете ги џамиите, најлесно е да се „води политика“, но гледам дека можеби и кај вас веќе се јавува проблемот на раскинување на племенската заедница и јачање на култот на поединец со повисоко ниво на образование кое си го работи своето. Времето ќе покаже, желбата  за војни и кај Вас почнува да се губи!?

Fakt e deka Albancite se porasprostranite niz Zapadna Evropa i Sad ,i vistina e deka poedinci Albanci se bavaat so Kriminal i im sozdavaat problemi na tamosnite vlasti ,no ima i edna vistina deka dobar del od Albancite vo Zapadna Evropa i Sad se uspesno integrirani vo tamosnite opstestva i imate Albanci koi se naviskoi funkcii vo tie zemji... No jasno e deka Srpskata propganda se obiduva da ja prikaze Albannskata mafija kako "naj jaka" so cel da im nasteti na reputacijata na Albancite voopsto,i kako rezultat na takvata propaganda se dade edna losa slika za kosovo i Albancite voopsto ,deka navodno "Kosovo e kontrolirana od Mafijata " i bla bla  bla ... , Toa ni najmalce ne e vistina   , fakt e deka nasekade ima mafijasi ,pa zemunski klan so bea ?? Najgolem dokaz deka Mafijata e najjaka vo Srbija e toa sto tokmu tie Mafijaski Kanovi uspeea da go ubijat Pokojniot Premier Dzindzic ... ,zamislete Mafijaski klanovi bea del od Srpskata Voena Formacija... ,del od Srpskata Regularna Armija a i plus imase paravoeni Foramcii koi deluvaa vo Bosna ,Hrvatska i Kosovo ...

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NE POSTOJAT LUDI LUGE, TUKU SAMO TAKVI, KOI NE SE VO POTPOLNOST SFATENI OD OSTANATITE !


Постирано од: PAVLIN
Датум на внесување: 28.Октомври.2007 во 18:37
Originally posted by Ibn Khaldun Ibn Khaldun напиша:

Originally posted by dsds dsds напиша:

Интересна констатација, албанска мафија што ли беше тоа!? Г-дин Кхалдун јасно е зошто ве погаѓа проблемот „албанска мафија“, не се толку македонците распространети низ европските земји како албанците, а некако највеќе проблеми на институциите кои се бават со законот и безбедноста во ЕУ, им прават баш Вашите сонародници, на Ваша жалост и меѓу Вас има интелектуалци кои работите ги гледат од друг агол, проблемот е што организираните мафијашки кланови кај вашите согрѓани го земаат својот данок, така да поштено вложениот труд не доаѓа до израз него профитот го носат, и самите знаете прашокот, проституцијата и оружјето, но зошто јас имам впечаток дека во сите три гупи на недозволени активности случјно се вмешани повќе од 90% албанци, и случајно по некој србин со македонско потекло да речеме Чочоровска како пример. Затоа добро е што на форумот е изнесен проблемот, но вистината е дека по клуч веќе имате  и албанци вработени во безбедносните структури и тие нека се позанимаваат со Вашиот проблем , или пак пробајте на стариот начин повторно вклучете ги џамиите, најлесно е да се „води политика“, но гледам дека можеби и кај вас веќе се јавува проблемот на раскинување на племенската заедница и јачање на култот на поединец со повисоко ниво на образование кое си го работи своето. Времето ќе покаже, желбата  за војни и кај Вас почнува да се губи!?

Fakt e deka Albancite se porasprostranite niz Zapadna Evropa i Sad ,i vistina e deka poedinci Albanci se bavaat so Kriminal i im sozdavaat problemi na tamosnite vlasti ,no ima i edna vistina deka dobar del od Albancite vo Zapadna Evropa i Sad se uspesno integrirani vo tamosnite opstestva i imate Albanci koi se naviskoi funkcii vo tie zemji... No jasno e deka Srpskata propganda se obiduva da ja prikaze Albannskata mafija kako "naj jaka" so cel da im nasteti na reputacijata na Albancite voopsto,i kako rezultat na takvata propaganda se dade edna losa slika za kosovo i Albancite voopsto ,deka navodno "Kosovo e kontrolirana od Mafijata " i bla bla  bla ... , Toa ni najmalce ne e vistina   , fakt e deka nasekade ima mafijasi ,pa zemunski klan so bea ?? Najgolem dokaz deka Mafijata e najjaka vo Srbija e toa sto tokmu tie Mafijaski Kanovi uspeea da go ubijat Pokojniot Premier Dzindzic ... ,zamislete Mafijaski klanovi bea del od Srpskata Voena Formacija... ,del od Srpskata Regularna Armija a i plus imase paravoeni Foramcii koi deluvaa vo Bosna ,Hrvatska i Kosovo ...



abe ostaj nevini ste vie ko sto veli Boggieзадоволство ...ve mestat samo nisto povekje...albanskata mafija e najnamestena mafija vo svetot....srbite kaj stignat gi mestat...ostaj se


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Постирано од: moira
Датум на внесување: 28.Октомври.2007 во 22:49
Ibn Khaldun: Fakt e deka Albancite se porasprostranite niz Zapadna Evropa i Sad ,i vistina e deka poedinci Albanci se bavaat so Kriminal i im sozdavaat problemi na tamosnite vlasti ,no ima i edna vistina deka dobar del od Albancite vo Zapadna Evropa i Sad se uspesno integrirani vo tamosnite opstestva i imate Albanci koi se naviskoi funkcii vo tie zemji... No jasno e deka Srpskata propganda se obiduva da ja prikaze Albannskata mafija kako "naj jaka" so cel da im nasteti na reputacijata na Albancite voopsto,i kako rezultat na takvata propaganda se dade edna losa slika za kosovo i Albancite voopsto ,deka navodno "Kosovo e kontrolirana od Mafijata " i bla bla bla ... , Toa ni najmalce ne e vistina   , fakt e deka nasekade ima mafijasi ,pa zemunski klan so bea ?? Najgolem dokaz deka Mafijata e najjaka vo Srbija e toa sto tokmu tie Mafijaski Kanovi uspeea da go ubijat Pokojniot Premier Dzindzic ... ,zamislete Mafijaski klanovi bea del od Srpskata Voena Formacija... ,del od Srpskata Regularna Armija a i plus imase paravoeni Foramcii koi deluvaa vo Bosna ,Hrvatska i Kosovo ...

Bidejki mosne lesno se integrirate vo drzavite od Zapada EVropa i USA, i kako sto veils ima duri i Albanci koi se na visoki funkcii vo tie drzavi, togas ZOSTO NE USPEVATE NIKAKO DA SE INTEGRIRATE I VO MAKEDONIJA, osobeno vo poslednite dve decenii? Zarem nema Albanci koi se na mosne visoki funkcii vo R. Makedonija, ili vi e zagrozeno bilo koe covekovo pravo, pa ne ste vo moznost da se integrirate, sem sekako vo vasata partija za Demokratska integracija . No, iskreno ne ocekuvam odgovor od tebe, zatoa sto odnapred go znam, poznavajki go vasiot mentalen sklop, i vasiot “son, so koj spiete i se budite, i danju i nocu”.
Natamu govoris za mafijaski klnanovi koi “… zamislete Mafijaski klanovi bea del od Srpskata Voena Formacija... ,del od Srpskata Regularna Armija a i plus imase paravoeni Foramcii koi deluvaa vo Bosna ,Hrvatska i Kosovo…”
Te prasuvam koj klan bese i e vo KLA, ANA, KZK itn. itn., iminjata na vasite paravojski samo se mnozat, ili pak sto pretstavuvaat za tebe takanarecenite borci za covekovi prava, instruirani od albanskite mafijaski klanovi koi se samo najobicni marioneti i prisluznici, a patem za toa voopsto i ne se svesni? Koj go socinuva KZK? Pacifisti i covekoljupci?


Постирано од: PAVLIN
Датум на внесување: 28.Октомври.2007 во 23:19
Glupost e da im dokazuvame za nivnata istorija i nivniot karakter ... daleku e sonceto za golem broj albanci so mak.poteklo ....a so niv i nie ...збунетостзбунетостзбунетосткловн


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Постирано од: moira
Датум на внесување: 28.Октомври.2007 во 23:23
Mozebi e, no jas ne mozam da si dozvolam nekoj da mi plasira sekakvi gadosti, nevistini i da pluka po mene, a jas ednostavno da molcam i ignoriram.


Постирано од: PAVLIN
Датум на внесување: 28.Октомври.2007 во 23:28
nitu jas samo rabotata e sto NE GO PRIFAKAAT NORMALNIOT NACIN NA ZIVEENJE da ne kazam realnosta im e tolku dalecna...a veruvaj vakvi se na mnogu visoki pozicii vo drzavava, posebno vo albanskata populacija


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Постирано од: moira
Датум на внесување: 28.Октомври.2007 во 23:33
Realnosta im e dalecna od nasata, da, bidejki se vo vremenski rascekor so nas


Постирано од: PAVLIN
Датум на внесување: 28.Октомври.2007 во 23:50
I toa so ova tempo na menuvanje na generaciite...pa znaes li Gosev od koga e vo politika ili BC...tesko ke ni bide se povekje i povekje...mene pa edno sto pati mi imaat kazano deka nema RM da uspee i tolku...ako ja prifatam taa psihoza bi gi zadovolilo, obratno  e sekogas mnogu tesko i ne znaes do kade ke stignes....црвенеење


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Постирано од: moira
Датум на внесување: 29.Октомври.2007 во 00:13
Eh, erata na dinosaurusite, a do kade ke stigneme, iskreno kazano navistina ne znam, osobeno koga nemame konecna i definirana granica


Постирано од: sp_dori
Датум на внесување: 29.Октомври.2007 во 01:36

OK



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Се што било поминало и се што ќе биде ќе помине !!!


Постирано од: Boogie
Датум на внесување: 29.Октомври.2007 во 08:12
Jas se izvinjavav no sp_dori mora da prestane so navredi inace ke bide suspendirana na 2 nedeli

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Постирано од: PAVLIN
Датум на внесување: 29.Октомври.2007 во 16:03
Originally posted by moira moira напиша:

Eh, erata na dinosaurusite, a do kade ke stigneme, iskreno kazano navistina ne znam, osobeno koga nemame konecna i definirana granica



da be do kade e toa prasanje so granicata...pa toa bese povod za konfiktot vo 2001..nikoj nema muda da pocne so resavanje na ova prasanje...treba nekoj od strana da dojde i da ni go resi...nemame megusebna doverba, a toa e glavniot politicki problem


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“ДО ВИСТИНАТА НЕ МОЖЕМЕ ДА СТИГНЕМЕ ПОЛЗЕЈЌИ“ - Владимир Мегре


Постирано од: moira
Датум на внесување: 29.Октомври.2007 во 16:34
Posledno sto pomnam e deka makedonskata "TIGRICA" gordo ni go pokaza on the face of the place, kamenot za razgranicuvanje i taka dostoinstveno i so nasmevka stoese i pozirase pred nego, ama mozebi nekoj od Tanusevci ili Debalde go upotrebil pri postavuvanje na kamen temelnik na svojot dom.

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Постирано од: orlov
Датум на внесување: 30.Октомври.2007 во 00:09
Originally posted by dragon dragon напиша:

Khaldun poveli pisi si na svojot majcin jazik samo taka ke ni napravis usluga, ne znam zosto se opteretuvas vaka bukva po bukva, neli si za Ohridskiot ramkoven dogovor pa poveli pridrzuvajse covece. Si se fatil kako pijan za plot niz forumov pa samo novi i novi temi nametnuvas demek mngu si interesen. Se znae sonot na siptarite koj e pa daj sonuvaj si go a nas ostavi ne raat. 



Ма дај удриму у фаца и кажиму дека Охридскит рамковниот  договор е невалиден.
А така ќе биде се додека сте потписници не достават до Комитетот за човекови права лекарси УВЕРЕНИЈА од Странски Независен Неуро Психијатриски Конзилиум дека се умно здрави.



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Постирано од: Baron
Датум на внесување: 30.Октомври.2007 во 00:37
Originally posted by Ibn Khaldun Ibn Khaldun напиша:

Pocituvani Forumdzii ,ja otvoram ovaa tema poradi faktot sto nasekade kade se spomnuvaat Albanci (na forumot mislam) ,na nekoi od Clenovite im ostana praksa da ja spomnat i" Albanskata Mafija " navodno taa bila najgolemiot financier na Albanskot prasanje vo Balkanot .Od kade Mitot za famoznata "Albanska Mafija" ,sekako deka toa e del od Srpskata Propaganda protiv Albancite na Kosovo i Albancite voopsto ,postojano ke gi vidite na Mediumite na televizzii kade se pojavuvaat nekoi si kvazi-analiticari kade velat deka "Albanskata Mafija e najka vo svetot" ,najloso e sto nekoi neobrazovani Albanci pagaat na vakvite srpski stapici i tie pocnuvaat da se falat so toa .Realnosta e nesto drugo ,Srpskata politika se obiduva na sekakov nacin da gi ocrni Albancite ,taa namerno veli deka "Albanskata Mafija e najjaka" ,tie namerno te pravat "golem" ,tie namerno te pravat "jak" ,on te forcira za svoi pricini ,ne deka te fali tebe (na Albancite mislam) ,tuku so toa sto ti veli deka si "jak" saka da te prikaze kako golema opasnost.Se znae koj e najjaka Mafia vo svetoto ,ne somneno tuka vodecki se Ruskata ,Kineskata ,Meksikanskata (i drugite Latino-Karteli) .Srbite zaboravaat na "Zemunski KLAN" i mnogu drugi Mafijaski Klanovi ... ,za ponatamu vi ostavam vam da prokomentirate.pozdrav
 
Batka, si se obrkal
Nema nikakva  "Aljbanjska mafija"
Ima shiptarski kriminalni bandi, za koi srpskata propaganda obilno pisuva. Ili, mozebe, treba da molci i da se plasi od vasite bedasti besi?
GROW UP, ALJABANJAC!
 


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Постирано од: orlov
Датум на внесување: 30.Октомври.2007 во 17:32
Originally posted by Baron Baron напиша:

Originally posted by Ibn Khaldun Ibn Khaldun напиша:

Pocituvani Forumdzii ,ja otvoram ovaa tema poradi faktot sto nasekade kade se spomnuvaat Albanci (na forumot mislam) ,na nekoi od Clenovite im ostana praksa da ja spomnat i" Albanskata Mafija " navodno taa bila najgolemiot financier na Albanskot prasanje vo Balkanot .Od kade Mitot za famoznata "Albanska Mafija" ,sekako deka toa e del od Srpskata Propaganda protiv Albancite na Kosovo i Albancite voopsto ,postojano ke gi vidite na Mediumite na televizzii kade se pojavuvaat nekoi si kvazi-analiticari kade velat deka "Albanskata Mafija e najka vo svetot" ,najloso e sto nekoi neobrazovani Albanci pagaat na vakvite srpski stapici i tie pocnuvaat da se falat so toa .Realnosta e nesto drugo ,Srpskata politika se obiduva na sekakov nacin da gi ocrni Albancite ,taa namerno veli deka "Albanskata Mafija e najjaka" ,tie namerno te pravat "golem" ,tie namerno te pravat "jak" ,on te forcira za svoi pricini ,ne deka te fali tebe (na Albancite mislam) ,tuku so toa sto ti veli deka si "jak" saka da te prikaze kako golema opasnost.Se znae koj e najjaka Mafia vo svetoto ,ne somneno tuka vodecki se Ruskata ,Kineskata ,Meksikanskata (i drugite Latino-Karteli) .Srbite zaboravaat na "Zemunski KLAN" i mnogu drugi Mafijaski Klanovi ... ,za ponatamu vi ostavam vam da prokomentirate.pozdrav
 
Batka, si se obrkal
Nema nikakva  "Aljbanjska mafija"
Ima shiptarski kriminalni bandi, za koi srpskata propaganda obilno pisuva. Ili, mozebe, treba da molci i da se plasi od vasite bedasti besi?
GROW UP, ALJABANJAC!
 




За него и банда и мафија е исто.
А ваму демек нај, нај.
Не му замерувај.



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Постирано од: dras
Датум на внесување: 30.Октомври.2007 во 23:00
Зошто толку труд вложувате да убедите еден човек дали има или нема „албанска мафија“. Албанска мафија во светот секако дека постои, и тоа дури предњачи во својата делатност од другите, во Македонија дали ќе ја наречеме мафија или криминални банди воопшто не е дискутабилно, секако дека и тука постои, особено тоа им е познато на граѓаните од градовите со албанско население повеќе од 20%. Но мене повеќе ме загрижува и збунува политичката продажба во таквите средини, и тоа од политички моќници (читај-градонач....ц.) македонци. Дали мафија е организирана криминална групација, на локално, државно ниво или пак зборуваме за слободни стрелци?.....Веројатно грешам, МВР улови толку полицајци и цариници во толку спектакуларни ТВ серии што во затворите во тоа време немаше место за сите клиенти сигурно тие се „организирани криминалци“!!?......



Постирано од: VIZANTEL
Датум на внесување: 02.Ноември.2007 во 22:57
Originally posted by dragon dragon напиша:

Khaldun poveli pisi si na svojot majcin jazik samo taka ke ni napravis usluga, ne znam zosto se opteretuvas vaka bukva po bukva, neli si za Ohridskiot ramkoven dogovor pa poveli pridrzuvajse covece. Si se fatil kako pijan za plot niz forumov pa samo novi i novi temi nametnuvas demek mngu si interesen. Se znae sonot na siptarite koj e pa daj sonuvaj si go a nas ostavi ne raat. 



Уште нема Албанско државјанство. Не смее. А тука мора македонски.


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Постирано од: AK47
Датум на внесување: 04.Ноември.2007 во 19:56
Originally posted by barmomk

Koi se glavnite akteri???

VIZANTEL ODGOVORI
Глигоровиќ, Слатински, Вуковаровиќ, Псаќански, лидерите на службите за разузнавање и контра разузнавање, ДБК и екс ,,суспендираниот лидер  на  Секторот за Безбедност, Разузнавање и Контраразузнавање при МО на РМ, и нормално тоа не би било добро изведено доколку во  криз- миногениот штаб не е  професор доктор по Римско Право,  Владо Бучковски.
 
 
JAS AK47  MISLAM :
Deka nema albanska mafija, oti se sto se zboruva za albanskata mafija se mitovi, odnosno prikazki napisani od srpskata akademija , a podrzani od ovie ovde, sami si priznavte deka ovie gore spomenatite se podrzuvaci na mafijataaa :) epa sega racunajte sami, gore nema ni eden albanec, koga vikam deka ovaa drzava ja imaat unisteno ovie vasi  VODITELI, koga vikam deka ovie se onie koi kradat, ne mi veruvate , sami si priznavte ne sum kriv


Постирано од: naemnik
Датум на внесување: 05.Ноември.2007 во 13:00
Originally posted by AK47 AK47 напиша:

srpskata akademija


ke treba da se fanesh so TANAS od Podforumot ISTORIJA, i on ima SRBOFOBIJA.....

I ovoj ovde e SRBOMAN, i ja spreading out Srpskata Laga:

http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/NarcsFundedTerrs_Extrems.pdf - This study, however, has found links between drug trafficking and former guerrillas of the Albanian Liberation Army (KLA). The KLA spin-off groups are well positioned to exploit the Balkan Route, which links the Golden Crescent of Afghanistan and Pakistan to European drug markets. As of 2002, Albanian liberation extremists had reportedly used profits from their participation in Taliban-sponsored narcotics smuggling to rearm themselves.


Постирано од: mornar.
Датум на внесување: 07.Ноември.2007 во 23:16
Koza Nostra e pod kontrola na albanskata mafija, no sto baraat tamu i makedonski eks i segasni vozdovi??

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Постирано од: Insomniac
Датум на внесување: 07.Ноември.2007 во 23:47
Каква мафија бре луѓе. Шиптарите живеат во 16 век

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We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Macedonian children.


Постирано од: moira
Датум на внесување: 08.Ноември.2007 во 13:43
Gresis vo broenje, XIV vek

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Постирано од: AK47
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 00:24
eve sto e mafija
 
http://vecer.com.mk/?ItemID=CD4A8C333C12A44D8176F45D41E593AC - http://vecer.com.mk/?ItemID=CD4A8C333C12A44D8176F45D41E593AC


Постирано од: Boogie
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 00:26
Da i ova e mafija koja seuste ne e dokrajcena
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/alb-mafia-wsj-9-9-85.html - http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/alb-mafia-wsj-9-9-85.html


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Постирано од: AK47
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 00:30

Bogie, dali procita vo vecer sto pisuva, ovie albaci gi goni drzavata, no ovie samite se drzava, onie ja kontrolirat drzavata, ubijat premieri , pocnuvaat vojni, formiraat paravojski, i sto i sto ne



Постирано од: Boogie
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 00:31
А што е диогардиголема%20насмевкаголема%20насмевкаголема%20насмевка

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Постирано од: *vikicka*
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 00:34
Originally posted by Boogie Boogie напиша:

А што е диогардиголема%20насмевкаголема%20насмевкаголема%20насмевка

bodigad na divi kojni


Постирано од: Boogie
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 00:37
Originally posted by *vikicka* *vikicka* напиша:

Originally posted by Boogie Boogie напиша:

А што е диогардиголема%20насмевкаголема%20насмевкаголема%20насмевка

bodigad na divi kojni

смеењегазење%20од%20смеењесмеење
смеењегазење%20од%20смеењесмеење

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Постирано од: AK47
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 00:41
mislam deka bil kongresmen vo Usa, i se custvuval kako albanec,
 
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9wN2_mKQAEA&feature=related - http://youtube.com/watch?v=9wN2_mKQAEA&feature=related


Постирано од: Boogie
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 00:45
Значи и такви криминалци има нелисмеењесмеење

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Постирано од: kojotovik
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 02:16
ok i ZEVS bil Albanec priznavam газење%20од%20смеењегазење%20од%20смеењегазење%20од%20смеењегазење%20од%20смеењегазење%20од%20смеењегазење%20од%20смеењегазење%20од%20смеењегазење%20од%20смеењегазење%20од%20смеењегазење%20од%20смеењегазење%20од%20смеењегазење%20од%20смеење


Постирано од: moira
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 04:01
Ne bil ama spored AKxx taka se cuvstvuval

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Постирано од: AK47
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 12:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrlHOjrCh9w - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrlHOjrCh9w
 
Vidi be kojotovik, pa jas ne vikam deka on e albanec, on samiot saka da bide albanec, sega i na diogardi ne mu veruvas li ??
Pa ti imas problem togas, covekot sam kazuva golema lubov prema albanskiot narod, bil kongresmen zaedno so zenata, i ima golema mok vo USA , i e pretsedatel na AACL ( Albanian-American Civic League) i zaedno so mnogu drugi kongresmeni raboti za albancite
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFxzQvNuBLY&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFxzQvNuBLY&feature=related
 
Eve go i drugiot albanec Tom Lantos, kongresmen , i golem politicar,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhu5u6rG6Qg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhu5u6rG6Qg


Постирано од: Boogie
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 13:07
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islamic_militancy_2115 - http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islamic_militancy_2115

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islamic_militancy_2115&scale=0#western_support_for_islamic_militancy_2115 - Albanian Mafia and KLA Take Control of Balkan Heroin Trafficking Route .


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Постирано од: AK47
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 14:28
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1003770.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1003770.stm


Постирано од: Boogie
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 15:04
Добро се движиш исто како и Албанија - се надевам дека за 10 години ке не стигнеш у реалнава година инаку денес е 22.11.2007 а постот ти е од Thursday, 2 November, 2000, 18:53 GMT.
Пополека ама сигурно се движишголема%20насмевкаголема%20насмевкаголема%20насмевкаголема%20насмевка


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Постирано од: AK47
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 18:00
Pa i ti super

[BBC, 4/5/1999; http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Mercenaries+IN+KOSOVO%3a+The+U.S.+connection+to+the+KLA-a055309049 - Progressive, 1 August 1999.')" onmouseout="return nd() - Progressive, 8/1/1999 ; http://www.publicintegrity.org/bow/report.aspx?aid=148 - Center for Public Integrity, 28 October 2002.')" onmouseout="return nd() - Center for Public Integrity, 10/28/2002 ]

pisuvas za nastani od 1996-1999 , 10 godini, a ubistvoto na dzingzic koga e storeno ??  Zemunskiot klan ??


Постирано од: Boogie
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 18:22
А не гледаш за исламистичкото движење од 2005-2007,тоа не те интересира аголема%20насмевкаголема%20насмевкаголема%20насмевкаголема%20насмевка

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Постирано од: AK47
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 18:26
abe bogie, eve kakvi ste vie, sega koga nemas dokazi za toa , skokas kaj islamizmot, nema vrska toa so islamizmot, 


Постирано од: Boogie
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 18:32
Како нема врска кога исламистите се финансираат од хероинот,опиумот,црното робје и др. одлики кои Албанската мафија ги поседува

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Постирано од: AK47
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 18:38
Da , ali krivi se tie sto sakat da se prostituirat, mislam devojkite, a vo makedonija ne se malku tie , osobeno od Rusija, Moldavija, Ukraina, 


Постирано од: Boogie
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 18:40
Гледај малку вести и ке видиш дека и Албанките не лажат со проституирање,дури ги стигаат сите останати тоа е благодарение на добриот финансиски живот што го имаатнамигнување

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Постирано од: AK47
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 18:49
pa toa e nasekade, megjutoa , povise, .....

Barem tuka , taka e




Постирано од: kojotovik
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 21:29
ak 47 toa islamot so go spomnuvaas znaes kako me nervira ne si svesen, toj islamot vie treba malce da go prostudirate i da se podelite kako muslimani, zaso edni veruvaat edno vo alah, drug mislat deka gi ima prateno t.e. debili i klosari serat takvi raboti itn..
Ima novi filmovi, sepak se filmovi ama realnost do negde mozete site da gi gledate i da vidite deka ima muslimani ko tebe ak47 i ima muslimani koi bi te  ubilite tebe, sepak e realnost toa.
The kingdom i Rendition




Постирано од: moira
Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 22:15
Originally posted by AK47 AK47 напиша:

Da , ali krivi se tie sto sakat da se prostituirat, mislam devojkite, a vo makedonija ne se malku tie , osobeno od Rusija, Moldavija, Ukraina, 


Eh, da ve nema vas ke gi nema ni vasite devojki od Moldavija, Rusija, Ukraina. Vie ste glavnite konzumenti i uzivateli na proizvodot Zatoa sto ako nema pobaruvacka za proizvodot, ke nema ni potreba da se proizveduva, pardon uvezuva
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Датум на внесување: 22.Ноември.2007 во 23:15
Originally posted by Ibn Khaldun Ibn Khaldun напиша:

Pocituvani Forumdzii ,ja otvoram ovaa tema poradi faktot sto nasekade kade se spomnuvaat Albanci (na forumot mislam) ,na nekoi od Clenovite im ostana praksa da ja spomnat i" Albanskata Mafija " navodno taa bila najgolemiot financier na Albanskot prasanje vo Balkanot .Od kade Mitot za famoznata "Albanska Mafija" ,sekako deka toa e del od Srpskata Propaganda protiv Albancite na Kosovo i Albancite voopsto ,postojano ke gi vidite na Mediumite na televizzii kade se pojavuvaat nekoi si kvazi-analiticari kade velat deka "Albanskata Mafija e najka vo svetot" ,najloso e sto nekoi neobrazovani Albanci pagaat na vakvite srpski stapici i tie pocnuvaat da se falat so toa .Realnosta e nesto drugo ,Srpskata politika se obiduva na sekakov nacin da gi ocrni Albancite ,taa namerno veli deka "Albanskata Mafija e najjaka" ,tie namerno te pravat "golem" ,tie namerno te pravat "jak" ,on te forcira za svoi pricini ,ne deka te fali tebe (na Albancite mislam) ,tuku so toa sto ti veli deka si "jak" saka da te prikaze kako golema opasnost.Se znae koj e najjaka Mafia vo svetoto ,ne somneno tuka vodecki se Ruskata ,Kineskata ,Meksikanskata (i drugite Latino-Karteli) .Srbite zaboravaat na "Zemunski KLAN" i mnogu drugi Mafijaski Klanovi ... ,za ponatamu vi ostavam vam da prokomentirate.pozdrav


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At the heart of the Balkan chaos: the Albanian mafia (2002)

1. The Albanian mafia: a real mafia at the heart of the Balkans?

At the end of 1999, the daily newspaper "Koha Ditore" decided to break the law of silence: "Drugs are flowing into Kosovo where we are witnessing the birth of a powerful mafia network", the province is gradually becoming "a Colombia at the heart of Europe http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#1 - 1 . On 10 March 2000 the special United Nations human rights investigator returned from a ten-day tour of the Balkans. And what Jiri Dienstbier said is, if possible, even clearer: "Kosovo is in chaos", the province has become "a mafia paradise" http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#2 - 2 .

This is not the first time that the term "mafia" has served to describe organised crime at work throughout the albanophone area in the Balkans. But this debased word has lost so much force that now it describes any band of hoodlums. Whereas a real mafia is, on the contrary, a precise, very definite criminal entity having little in common with the "milieu" of villains which is normally found almost everywhere in the world.

The real mafia
A mafia is a permanent secret society uniting a coalition of "families" bound by blood or marriage; it is closed, endowed with elaborate hierarchies and rules from which one only deviates at the risk of ones life. A merciless law of silence is made to surround it. A gang can be joined through affinity or friendship; but a mafia may be joined only by family or clan co-option, after an initiation. Mafias pass over but the "family" endures - some have been in existence for centuries, whereas, if its boss is dead or locked up, a gang does not survive for long. Mafias only recruit on the basis of race or sex; thus, by cousinhood or clan. Initiation into the Cosa Nostra is only for those who are Sicilian, even born in Sicily and male. Even if they are implicit, these rules always exist in a mafia. Able to resist the worst repression, a mafia is a state within a state with territory, subjects, laws and armed forces. "The mafia family never dies out. You arrest two or three of them but the family remains, and if there are not enough children it co-opts even more daring men and gives them its daughters as wives. http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#3 - 3 The Cosa Nostra survived twenty years of fascism. The Chinese Triads have resisted fifty years of communism, ten of which were the "Cultural Revolution" that claimed 30 million victims.

Is the Albanian-Kosovan-western Macedonian agglomeration a mafia in the strict sense of the word? Taking strict definitions let us see if the proven facts in our possession confirm the diagnosis or not.

A real mafia? The circumstances of its appearance.
Several visible signs show that Albanian crime has attained a high degree of organisation and sophistication. If this stage in itself is not enough for one to speak of a mafia, discussion is none the less eminently necessary. The signs are in the multi-criminal activity. The Albanian villains traffic in drugs, illegal migrants, arms, stolen vehicles, contraband cigarettes and alcohol. They devote themselves to pimping and burglary on a grand scale, kidnapping for ransom, contract killings, audio and video pirating, falsifying official documents (visas, etc.) and laundering criminal money.

The impressive capacity to conduct highly complex transnational operations.
The secret mass transfer of migrants from the Albanian coastline to nearby Italy is anything but spontaneous and disorderly. According to a number of first-hand accounts - and the best Albanian and Italian experts - it is, on the contrary, a concerted operation aimed at making Puglia a criminal outpost in the Balkans for the European Union. At the point of departure ships are "requisitioned" by disciplined, well-armed teams - not by panic-stricken, destitute hordes. Passengers are carefully selected on the basis of future possibilities of "agreement" and of their hard currency funds; once on board, order is assured by armed criminals who melt into thin air in sight of the Italian coast.

There are other examples of international co-operation practised by Albanian organised crime:

- From Tirana a front company situated in Albania buys and then has delivered from the US safes, top-quality alarm and security systems. Subsequently, expert burglars from gangs come from Europe and America to train using these "demonstration" materials.
- In the field of burglary, specialised gangs have teams variously qualified depending on the difficulty of the target. Among them are elite elements whose operations are accompanied by a wealth of security and protection.

Consummate protection
Even more internalised than at the disappearance of the communist regime, two-thirds of the agents of the very paranoid Albanian GPU (the Sigurimi) were sacked; a number of them soon joined the local criminal clans. These individuals all go under the cover of pseudonyms, nicknames and false identities. Worse still, according to their local origins, Albanian hill-dwellers speak dialects crossed with slang which - even in the nearby valleys - their neighbours understand poorly. Take these difficulties together (pseudonyms and dialect) and imagine the difficulties for Italian or Swiss police who have to decipher the transcripts produced from telephone tapping.

Reliable evidence of criminal sophistication
Michael Lauber, head (in Switzerland) of the fight against organised crime has said: "The Kosovars and Albanians operate in the greatest secrecy. It is very difficult to get information from them during inquiries because they are grouped in small closed clans - almost in families comparable to the old model of the Italian mafia. Besides, they are experts in the art of using new technologies such as laptops, mobiles and the Internet http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#4 - 4 .

An officer of the Italian ROS (the elite operations section of the Italian gendarmerie, specialising in high-risk anti-mafia actions) has said: "The Kosovo Albanians are among the most dangerous drugs and arms traffickers. These men are determined, violent and capable of the worst. They can mobilise in a few hours a host of men at arms and have at their disposal enormous amounts of ready money. To keep in trim they burgle homes and businesses every night while constantly being on the move from one part of Lombardy to another. http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#5 - 5

These facts and testimony reveal a high level of criminal professionalism, but this still does not allow us to speak of a mafia in the strict sense. Two decisive elements are lacking, namely:

i) A clan society: Kanun, honour and vendetta.
In Albania, more so in the mountainous north of the country, there survives in an almost chemically pure form (due to the constant isolation of the country throughout the twentieth century) a traditional Mediterranean clan society, respectful of ancestral traditions of honour and vengeance. For most of the mafias these rules and laws are implicit, passed down by word of mouth. But in Albania the code of honour or Kanun is written down and the brochure that contains it is on sale in newspaper kiosks.

This traditional Albanian society has, moreover, long been fascinated by firearms: "The pride a farmer has in his stock or a collector has when he looks at his most beautiful pieces is nothing compared to the pride which Albanians feel in their weapons. They are the guardians of his home, the object of his admiration. They assure him of a dazzling glory" (English traveller in the Balkans around 1880, quoted in Malcolm 1998). http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#6 - 6

ii) Complex organisation, iron discipline.
Up to this point all the elements which would allow us to qualify a sophisticated transnational criminal organisation as a mafia have been listed. Only one, deciding factor is lacking, which in itself allows us to confirm or disqualify the mafia claim: the mode of organisation. For, in Corsica for example, a clan society and a very active criminal scene have only produced - for the lack of an appropriate organisational model or the will to apply one - a circle (milieu) rather than a mafia.
Starting at the base of the pyramid, among Albanian criminals the basic cell is a team of four to ten men from the same clan and the same village, often from the same biological family. Specialising in a distinct kind of criminal activity (pimping, burglary, various types of trafficking, etc.) and most often very "professional", the team obeys a boss blindly. Several teams operate on a territory, in a given sector. In emigration, co-ordinating the activity of the basic cells is done by a "liaison co-ordination officer" who operates most often under the cover of a cultural or folkloric activity. Throughout Europe the police diagnosis is the same: these teams live discreetly, without attracting attention; they systematically practice counter-surveillance of the forces of order. The actions they demonstrate often have a military precision.

To "work" in a cell is to belong to a distinct criminal clan; the conditions of access to this criminal clan are strict, codified, ritualised. There is one code, the Kanun, and one biological cadre, an extended family. There is a hierarchy in which the ties of blood win out over those of marriage, for example, tactical co-ordination among local teams is entrusted to a man who can only have entered the criminal clan through marriage; but strategic planning, between branches of activity or extended geographical areas and the criminal directorate situated at home, the co-ordinator must belong to the clan by blood and the biological family. At the intermediate level, the second-in-command control a geographical area or a branch of activity. Depending on place and time, the various elements of the criminal clan act separately or come together in a flexible and decentralised manner. At the apex is a boss, assisted by a directing council which determines major policies and acts as arbiter in crises. Overall the organisation is adaptable, flexible and capable of evolving. With regard to tradition and the omerta, personal initiative is possible - even recommended; mutations and adaptations are even better since the obedience of the troops is assured and the scorn of the bosses for the law of the country in which they operate is absolute.

Finances of the Albanian mafia
Nothing is harder than estimating the "turnover" of one of the most secret and ferocious criminal societies in the world. Especially when the only police force which could, under the circumstances, be effective, that of the Republic of Albania, prefers most of the time to steer clear of such dangerous entities. We should note, however, that:
In issue number 287 of the Croatian journal "National" (May 2001) the Croatian minister of the interior, Mr Sime Lucin, estimated the fortune of one of the main Serb gangsters, Stanko Subotic Cane, at US$ 500 million. And Cane"s main line of activity is only trafficking in cigarettes, which is much less lucrative than drugs. Besides which, it is known that most of the heroin transported along the Balkans route passes through the hands of Albanian mafia groups; that this traffic has taken off since summer 1999 (before then only 5 to 10 kilograms of heroin was being seized; since then, from 50 kilograms to nearly one metric tonne); and that one kilogram of "good" heroin from the Golden Crescent (Afghanistan, etc.) brings a wholesale price, in western Europe, of US$ 80,000 to 100,000. This gives some idea of the scale of profits made by the Albanian mafia.

The deciding distinction made by Italian experts
In autumn 1999 the Italian Directorate for Anti-Mafia Investigations (DIA) transmitted to its supervising authorities a confidential report entitled "Strategic and tactical importance of Albanian criminal organisations". Let us recall that the DIA brings together - for a good reason - the best experts on mafia phenomena who have been confronted for years by the most ferocious and intractable criminal families in the European Union. These are specialists in observation and penetration one might say dissection, who moreover, have long been planted on the criminals" patch, in Albania itself. Nobody is better qualified than they to differentiate between a real mafia and a simple criminal gang.

In a text showing a high degree of analytical subtlety the DIA experts flag up from the outset a trap which must not be fallen into - and into which the Albanian mafia intends to make us fall, by urging us to confuse the disorder and chaos reigning in Albania for almost a decade and the reality of the mafia in that country. In fact for the DIA nothing would be more wrong than to confuse the Albanian mafia with "the groups of looters leaving their trails throughout the country without being disturbed, groups with no equivalent in any European country", this "multitude of hardened gangs operating at the local level with no link between them" functions "under a regime of reciprocal non-interference, without one being able to pick out [among them] dominant cells, and devoting themselves to acts of pillage pure and simple" Gangs "whose fragmentation reflects the social and political break-up of the [Albanian] nation".

The Albanian mafia and these anarchical gangs do not mingle. Worse, these gangs embarrass the local mafias, men of order who prefer to reach agreements with politicians in their pay and corrupt an apparently repressive police rather than evolving among the looters who threaten their profits and the peace of their (biological or criminal) family. However, on the day when, inevitably, Albanian disorder is resolved, when an apparent calm reigns in Tirana, the usual optimists will proclaim the "Good News" of the death of the local mafia. But on the contrary, that will be the sign that this mafia has finally imposed order on the anarchic gangs who simply cause trouble prejudicial to "business".

But what do the DIA experts say about the Albanian mafia itself? "Today we can speak of a true Albanian mafia in a state of permanent evolution; it is developing in a criminal context capable of making remarkable qualitative leaps [...] The actual criminal level of the Albanian mafia has no equal in any country in the Mediterranean basin, not even in Turkey" .

- The Albanian mafia in Italy "has at its disposal there a formidable network of accomplices and supporters used to squeal on members of rival groups and assist in assassinations."
- Putting down international roots: "The Albanian [mafia] groups operating abroad work in conditions of perfect criminal sophistication and territorial integration in the states where their members have been planted (Germany, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland)". There is "a perfect osmosis between Albanian mafiosi residing in Italy and those living in their country of origin". We should note that certain "globalised" Albanian mafia clans are based outside the albanophone area, for example in Turkey.

- Unity of criminal law, competition for territory: "Groups active in Italy operate in competition and are often locked in a struggle with each other, reflecting the cleavages which exist in Albania".

- Centralisation of decision-making: "Murders committed in Italy are often a consequence of incidents which happen in Albania linked with the redistribution of the Italian, and therefore European, heroin market."

- Law of silence: "The very pronounced mafia character of the Albanian [criminal] associations follows equally from the behaviour of its members after an arrest. There is never, even in confidence, any revealing of the features of the group to which they belong. The response is unchanging: my [biological] family is in danger in Albania".

- Finance and money laundering: "The Albanian criminal groups show a remarkable aptitude in the matter of financial management and a theoretical ability to carry out recycling."

All the characteristics are definitely there. Albanian organised crime is a mafia, of the first rank. It is also a mafia whose activism is growing in its primary base in Europe, in Italy. Early in January 2000 the DIA published another report, this one public, intended for parliamentarians. It is entitled "Vitality of the Italian Mafia, the Rise of the Albanian Mafia". In this study the latter is described as "particularly aggressive and determined", the experts underline that it "has succeeded in planting its networks and logistics in the great metropolises of northern Italy and on the Adriatic coast".

2. Kosovo, guerillas, mafia: causality or symbiosis?

Since the public appearance of the Kosovo Liberation Army (UCK) during 1996 the accusations and rumours have not ceased. The Kosovo Liberation Army is a narco-guerrilla financed by heroin from the Balkans route. In an interview given to the weekly "Der Spiegel" Norbert Spinrath, president of the association of German police officers, returning from a stay in Kosovo, declared: "The UCK is a criminal organisation [...] the UCK sequesters, steals, loots, kidnaps, blackmails, pressurises witnesses and carries out assassinations". In short it "behaves like a mafia" http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#7 - 7 . Shortly after, Walter Kege, head of the equivalent Swiss general intelligence police, affirmed: "we have information which leads us to think that a link exists between drugs money and the UCK". In January 1999 La Reppublica de Rome, a heavyweight and respected daily, ran the following headline: "Heroin sold in Milan finances the Kosovo Liberation Army".

As early as March 1998 commissioner Olivier Gueniat, head of the Neuchatel criminal investigations department, warned: "Drugs are financing ethnic war" http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#8 - 8 . He was referring to the war in Kosovo. Confirmation came in June 1998 when an international police operation out of Italy arrested ninety villains and broke up eight networks of drugs traffickers of which "one group of Albanians from Kosovo was smuggling arms destined for their province which was rebelling" http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#9 - 9 . In total, in that single haul, 100 kilograms of heroin and cocaine was seized. The base of the networks is in Milan where the drugs traffickers have as cover a vast infrastructure of cafes, restaurants, garages and various companies.

But even if it seemed serious to the European media the suspicion of drugs trafficking hanging over the UCK - "drugs are financing the guerrilla" - does not have much meaning insofar as it transfers onto the Balkan situation blueprints and values peculiar to Western Europe but unknown in Eastern Europe, especially in the albanophone area of the Balkans.

Our, Western European, society is individualist. The individual is practically the only motor and actor in social life. Getting involved in a party, acting as a militant in a union, taking up a religion or joining an association are personal acts relevant to the political, social or religious conscience of an individual. In the albanophone area of the Balkans this is absolutely not the case. War, guerrilla, clans and so on - we are no longer in Western Europe but rather in Lebanon during the civil war (1975-1990). In the south of that country and at that time, it was not individuals who joined Amal or Hezbollah - in the same way as Westerners join Republican or Socialist Parties - but whole villages, families or clans. In a society of this type the individual is nothing outside their extended family. Therefore, when, in the mountains, beyond Baalbek, a clan finances the study abroad of the best pupil of the village, it happens spontaneously on the orders of its elders. One of his uncles owns the town garage; he sends him spare parts from France. Another is "working" a laboratory producing heroin; the exile delivers the "powder" to Paris. His third uncle is the local Hezbollah mullah. Jihad is declared against the French Satan: as the advance guard of the holy war the student hides underground agents and bombs at his home, when he is not planting the latter himself, that is.
This is why, in 1986 in the forest at Fontainebleau, the police unearthed a rubbish bin in which both plastic explosives and brown heroin was found - merchandise and a symbolic "tool" of criminal clans. But there is no immediate link in terms of cause and effect between "powder" and terrorism. One does not directly finance the other. On the other hand both reveal (in the photographic sense of the term) a complex, symbiotic criminal multi-faceted system. To try to disentangle the drugs runner from the terrorist guerrilla is rather a futile exercise.

Returning to the albanophone area of the Balkans, since pre-Homeric times, the clan dimension has always been a reality, and how it disguises itself according to circumstance simply a masquerade to amuse the gallery. Poor European Marxist-Leninists of the 1960s idolised Enver Hoxha as a pure, hard revolutionary when in 1962, of 58 members of his Central Committee, 28 came from the same clan and 8 had married among themselves. The Albanian Communist Party was more of a tribal coalition, it was simply a family affair.

Thus we search in vain for material, concrete proof of a huge drugs traffic organised by the UCK itself, with invoices and delivery notes. There is no hope of finding a "smoking gun" here. It may be unpalatable, but like most people living in the province, the UCK evolved in the bosom of a criminal economy, bathing in a nourishing plankton of felony. This classic "barter trade" was explained by an (anonymous) American official posted to Kosovo: "The Albanian mafia has played a key role in the rise of the UCK. The latter needed money, smuggling routes and contacts in the Kosovan diaspora; in exchange, the UCK gave these "patriotic" gangsters political legitimacy". Thus, throughout Europe, from Oslo to Prague (with Princ Dobroshi), and across to Milan (with Agim Gashi - see below for profiles), one can see mafia cells and networks financing "The Cause", buying arms on behalf of the guerrillas. Even criminals in obscurity, those without rank, co-operate. In Barcelona, it is a group called the "Vanguardia", "a gang which burgles companies in the region uses its booty to finance the UCK". Thus in Europe, in the Balkans or in their homeland a symbiosis between Kosovan guerrilla and Albanian mafia can be observed.

There remains the case of the important (i.e. "political" and "military") staff of the UCK. Are they also hand in glove with the important figures in the mafia? This seems to be the case, in spite of the great difficulties in carrying out investigations among some of them, as "L"Humanite" emphasises: "What would happen if one were to find out that Hashim Thaci, the man on whom the international community has staked everything to rebuild the province, is implicated in almost all this traffic? It was without doubt in order to avoid this embarrassing question that Bernard Kouchner decided to filter out all enquiries directed against the latter." But in spite of these hurdles the mafia connections among some of the UCK leaders are well established, a notch above the army itself and outside of Kosovo proper, in fact what is known allows us to speak of serious criminal involvement.

Among the sixteen Kosovar delegates to the Rambouillet conference in February 1999 was H. Xhavit, presented as a "member of the political bureau of the UCK". Close to Hashim Thaci (the political head of the UCK) this man is influential in the Albanian diaspora in Switzerland and Germany. But this former adviser to Enver Hoxha under the stalinist regime, is nowadays linked to the special services and to the Tirana government, and is above all the link between Hasim Thaci and another Thaci (or Thaqi, according to records), first name Menduli, one of the heads of the Albanian community in Macedonia.

All experts on the Balkan criminal scene are categorical that the Albanian parties in Macedonia emanate directly from the local mafia. Several of their leaders (E. Midhat and H. Hassan) have already been convicted of arms trafficking. These experts warned the French government about this in good time, before the Rambouillet meeting. They added that leaders of these parties, like Menduli Thaci and his colleague Abdurahman Haliti, have since 1994 directed an armed community militia forming in reality a criminal bloc bound up with corrupt elements of the SHIK, the Albanian secret service, and the local mafia. This bloc operates throughout the "Golden Triangle" on perfect terms with the heads of the UCK, thanks to the diligence of consigliere such as H. Xhavit.

After H. Xhavit there are evidently plenty of others in the shadows. To identify them and reveal their mafia connections would allow us to draw a criminal web at the centre of which, unsurprisingly, the heads of the Albanian mafia reign. And potentially more or less near to the centre of the web one would also be able to identify such and such a Kosovar politician or military chief. But this last point is at best secondary, in the region there is no lack of candidates ready to get rich quick.

3. The two "godfathers" of the Albanian mafia

In northern Europe: Princ Dobroshi
On 23 February 1999 Princ Dobroshi, 35, was arrested in Prague by a police special unit. At the wheel of a BMW, the man was parking in front of the Hotel Atrium. A little later his right hand man, Murati Limani, was in turn questioned at his home in Prague. In Dobroski"s apartment a Croatian machine-pistol, a Chinese telescopic rifle with a silencer, a Czech handgun and a banknote counter (of the kind used in banking establishments) were found. This is the usual arsenal of a drugs trafficker, which is exactly Princ Dobroski"s trade. He is a big-time drug trafficker and for the Norwegian police, Dobroshi "controls the Scandinavian drugs market"; to be exact, the northern path of the Balkans route (Turkey-Balkans-Czech Republic-Nordic countries). Dobroshi has imported "hundreds of kilograms, even tonnes of heroin" into Scandinavia. Arrested in Norway in 1993, Dobroshi was sentenced at the end of 1994 to fourteen years in prison for drugs trafficking. He escaped in January 1997 from the Ullersmo prison in Oslo after bribing a guard (who was paid FF 120,000 to turn a blind eye). He got as far as Croatia where plastic surgery made him unrecognisable. He moved to Prague in 1997.

For several months a joint operation (codenamed "Cage") between Czech, Norwegian, Danish and Swedish police targeted the Dobroshi network, forty-two members of which were questioned up to February 1999. But when its boss was arrested the "family" quickly made it known that it would hand over the sum of FF 4 million to whomever in the Czech Republic could set him free.

Significantly, a note by the BIS (the Czech special services) stated that part of the drugs money went towards buying arms for the UCK http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#10 - 10 . And when the Czechs decided to extradite Dobroshi, the Norwegian police eventually chose to take him back to Oslo in a private plane as "it would be too dangerous to transport him on a commercial flight due to his close links with the UCK" http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#11 - 11 . Dobroshi was returned to his cell in Norway in August 1999.

In southern Europe: Agim Gashi
In July 1998, the special anti-mafia unit of the Italian carabinieri the ROS, launched operation "Africa". It was aimed at dismantling an important Albanian mafia clan trafficking heroin worth "hundreds of millions of dollars" http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#12 - 12 . In all, 124 arrests were made, most of them Albanians, but also Italians, Germans, Tunisians, Spaniards and Turks. At the head of the "family" was Agim Gashi, 33, an Albanian from Pristina (in Kosovo) where he directed at the beginning of the 1990s a drugs trafficking network under the cover of beauty parlours and estate agencies.

In January 1992 Gashi settled in the suburbs of Milan and married an Italian. At that time the Albanian criminal clans were active in Milan - but not yet in drugs. Their speciality then was enslaving children who were forced into begging, into becoming pickpockets or prostitution for paedophiles. Violent and pitiless, the Albanian gangsters quickly imposed themselves on the low-life of Milan, and from prostitution soon moved into drugs trafficking. Gashi ruled over this traffic. From 1995 he owned beauty parlours and perfume shops in London, companies in Hungary, Germany and Norway. In Italy itself Gashi established close professional links with the Ndrangheta, the Calabrian mafia. It was a case of importing cargoes of drugs into Italy. His associate Avni I. Ademer, a wholesaler specialising in trade with Turkey, every day hid "tens of kilos of heroin in his containers of nuts, cotton goods, etc."
Gashi lived the high life in a luxury villa on the outskirts of Milan, but nevertheless, as a good "patriotic bandit" did not forget his country. "When war broke out in Kosovo", as Carlos De Donno, commander of the carabinieri intelligence unit, remarked, "Kosovar criminals planted in Italy suddenly took an interest in arms trafficking. Up till then they only trafficked in drugs." http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#13 - 13 Since then the activity in Italy of the Albanian mafia and that of the overseas elements of the UCK merged, everybody lent a hand, as telephone tapping operated by the ROS proved http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#14 - 14 . Gashi was in talks with arms dealers from Bulgaria, Romania and Albania to buy automatic weapons, rocket launchers and grenades. In these "business" transactions it should be noted that Gashi spoke Serbo-Croat.

Jailed for a long period, Gashi sows less fear. Which doubtless explains why, at the end of February 1999, his cousin and associate Ekrem Gashi was assassinated in Pristina, in the purest mafia tradition, his Mercedes was riddled with bursts of automatic gunfire. Agim Gashi was convicted and received a heavy sentence in Milan in March 1999.

4. Why was the Albanian mafia able at this point to spread in Europe? What can be done to avoid such situations in the future?

Forgetting the criminal dimension
In April 1999 the "seventy-eight day war" broke out in Kosovo. A criminologist should not expound on the political or military dimension of such a conflict but should warn of the risk, if it exists, and then analyse the possible criminal consequences of the conflict. With a mind to the future the criminologist should also think preventively and see how best to integrate the notion of respect for the law into the "specifications" of future international operations or peacekeeping actions.

What happened prior to the NATO military intervention in Kosovo?
In Europe (in France and Great Britain, but also in the United States) official experts or products of the academic world (criminologists, police, intelligence officers, etc.) warned the coalition"s political and military leaders about the very specific nature of the conflict in the Balkans. Peculiarities, complex and deeply rooted in history, which are impossible to fully expound upon here. But briefly, these experts insisted on:

- The hybrid nature of the conflicts in the region. These Balkan conflicts have always had a military dimension, of course, but also a strong criminal element.

- The presence in the region of authentic mafias - especially the Albanian mafia. One degree lower, these experts did not fail to emphasise the existence in the Balkans of powerful organised crime, which was rich and well armed.

Truth obliges us to say that no heed was taken of these warnings. Diplomats continued to carry on their diplomacy, politicians their policy, and the military made war. The result of this disastrous neglect of the criminal dimension of the conflict in the Balkans is that, since then, trafficking in drugs, stolen vehicles and human beings has exploded in the region and from there has spread to Western Europe.

Interpol notes that seizures of heroin along the Balkans Route, which were until the beginning of 1999 from 1 to 5 kilograms on average, have gone since the summer of 1999 to 50 kilograms and sometimes even one metric tonne of pure heroin per seizure!

Preventing such catastrophes tomorrow
What can be done so that such a criminal disaster - for which Europe will pay the price for a long time - is not repeated? What could be the role of the United Nations, in particular that of the United Nations Bureau for the Control of Drugs and Prevention of Crime, in the domain of crisis prevention?

One must be realistic, there will be more such serious international crises in the future, in the absence of a world order which is clear, lasting, stable and acceptable to all. In these conditions military interventions, peacekeeping missions will again be necessary. What can be done so that, in case of need, the criminal dimension of a given region will be taken into account? What can be done to avoid a new Kosovo, where a Pandora"s box was, inadvertently or through ignorance, opened?

In this case, clamouring for the establishment of the rule of law is not enough. Asking for the application of the law is a rhetorical demand if one does not know what laws are in question and what crimes are most likely to be committed. In short, if one ignores the criminal reality of the region concerned. In fact laws and legal procedures have, always and everywhere, one aim: to check and punish specific crimes. As long as one has no serious idea about the nature of these crimes one cannot speak seriously of restoring the rule of law. So what is to be done?

Civil and military officials tend to neglect the advice of experts - naturally, put forward in secrecy - when faced with the intense media bombardment to which they are submitted. In a time of grave crisis and serious criminal danger the warning must therefore be strong and come from the top. The community of nations should therefore have at its disposal a crime observatory allowing it to carry out with authority, responsibility and independence a criminal diagnosis of the region concerned. The mission of this observatory would be dual:

1) To provide the leaders of the United Nations and the forces of order with precise and neutral information on the criminal situation in the region concerned.

2) To make sure that this information is taken into account by political and military leaders involved in the operation.

This observatory could also appraise needs in terms of judges and precise juridical texts, if a crime wave was to follow intervention. It is all the more important to have this type of crime X-ray tool since the forces of justice are slow - bound as they are by laws, rules and procedures - and since, on the contrary, criminal societies are essentially opportunist and fast-moving.

Kosovo provides a clear example: since the arrival of NATO forces, from the beginning of July 1999 at the latest, the mafias were at work throughout the province. Eighteen months after the start of the NATO intervention, Kosovo and Albania had no effective reciprocal extradition agreement allowing Kosovar criminals captured in Albania to be taken back to Kosovo, and to send back the former Albanian mafias arrested in Kosovo, without complex juridical wrangling.

In concrete terms we can see that from the point of view of crime the international community is confronted by problems which are serious but few in number and similar in nature. Prior to the establishment or reestablishment of the rule of law it seems important to define a few great anti-criminal principles of universal import and accepted by all. The anti-terrorist struggle provides a concrete example here, great progress has been made in this area when the international community decided in its entirety that certain acts (indiscriminate attacks, hijacking aeroplanes, massacres, etc.) were ideologically, politically and morally unjustified and would henceforth only be considered serious crimes and inexcusable terrorist acts. These sorts of rules must be created and approved in the course of the struggle against organised international crime.


http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#1h - 1 Koha Ditore/Courrier International 23/12/99

http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#2h - 2 Reuters World 20/3/2000 "UN rights..."

http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#3h - 3 Giorgio Bocca "Hell: investigation in mafia country", Payot Documents, 1993.

http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#4h - 4 Le Matin-Dimanche 15/8/99.

http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#5h - 5 Corriere della Sera 15/10/98.

http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#6h - 6 Kosovo, a short history", Noel Malcolm, MacMillan, London, 1998.

http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#7h - 7 15/12/99 "Der Spiegel" Norbert Spinrath, president of the association of German police officers

http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#8h - 8 Le Temps 28/3/98.

http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#9h - 9 AFP 9/6/98.

http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#10h - 10 Revealed in March 1999 by the Prague daily Lidove Noviny.

http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#11h - 11 The Norway Post 13/04/1999.

http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#12h - 12 The Philadelphia Inquirer 15/03/1999.

http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#13h - 13 The Philadelphia Inquirer, op. cit.

http://www.xavier-raufer.com/english_5.php#14h - 14 See the Corriere Della Sera of 15/10/98 ("How the Albanian mafia helps the guerilla fighters of Kosovo"), and of 19/01/99.



Постирано од: orlov
Датум на внесување: 25.Ноември.2007 во 00:37
Originally posted by AK47 AK47 напиша:

Pa i ti super

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pisuvas za nastani od 1996-1999 , 10 godini, a ubistvoto na dzingzic koga e storeno ??  Zemunskiot klan ??




тивко и сигурно, ама сосема сигурно изумирате, како волците во планината па затоа Америка као ве заштитува. А кој ќе ја штити нејзе???!!!!


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Постирано од: kojotovik
Датум на внесување: 25.Ноември.2007 во 00:46
eee to da vides koj ke ja stiti nejze hahahahaa


Постирано од: orlov
Датум на внесување: 26.Ноември.2007 во 00:11
Originally posted by kojotovik kojotovik напиша:

eee to da vides koj ke ja stiti nejze hahahahaa



i ti veruvash vo toa shto go pishuvash?


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