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Тема: Во Куран убиство заради вера
Постирано од: Templarius
Наслов: Во Куран убиство заради вера
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 12:49
Ce navedam nekoi od zakletvite koi se koristat pri pristapuvanje na muslimanite vo radikalnite terroristicki organizacii koi za volja na vistinata ne mozat da ja dadat vistinskata slika za muslimanite (znaci ne se site muslimani takvi) no voedno i se mnogu slabo osudeni od strana na muslimanite, sto pak doveduva do zaklucok dali od strav ili pak mozebi od tajno podrzuvanje ovie postapki ne se osudeni i za niv ne se diskutira......seto ce bide navedeno na angliski, ne me prasuvajte mene za prevod zasto nema da gi prevedam.... Inaku isto tuka ce bide daden transkript od kokpitot na letot 93 koj na 9/11 udri vo kulite bliznacki....seto ovaa e interesno zasto, se sto se raboti se raboti vo imeto na alah, stavot na ovie terroristi e deka se sto e hristijansko ili kako tie gi narekuvaat kaafur, treba da se ubie...nivnata doktrina na ubivanje na spored niv,nevernicite, e edna od najakite i celata e zamotana vo velot na islamskata religija...me interesira vaseto mislenje za ovaa bez razlika na koja vera pripadate....zboruvajte sto sakate...jas kako avtor na ovaa tema velam deka na ovaa tema nema da ima offtopik se ce e ontopik....Znaci na ovaa ce gledame od verski aspekt zasto od drug aspekt i ne moze da se gleda - a ako nekoj se najde navreden ili ako se luti toa e negov problem


Afghanistan

"In the name of Allah the Avenger, I swear on the holy book to perform my sacred duty as a soldier of Islam in this Jihad to restore to this world the light of divine justice... Allah demands no less. For to die in the cause is to be sent immediately to paradise."

A Taliban official, explaining why the group is violent.



Algeria

“But the coming Islamic caliphate country will not rise except at the hands of the fighting sect who raises the flag of Allah and Jihad.”

Statement from the Salafi terrorist group, one of several fundamentalist cells responsible for the slaughter of 150,000 men women and children in the 1990’s.



Chechnya

“True resistance is helped by Allah the Supreme and the battles are for His just cause”

Abu Hafs, Mujahideen and one of the region’s most prolific killer



Egypt

"Allah is our objective, the Quran is our Constitution, the Prophet is our leader, Jihad is our way, and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."

Credo of the Muslim Brotherhood, which has spawned attacks and numerous subsidiary terrorist organizations



India (Kashmir)

“Democracy is among the menaces we inherited from an alien government. It is part of the system we are fighting against… It is not possible to work within a democracy and establish an Islamic system… If Allah gives us a chance, we will try to bring in the pure concept of an Islamic Caliphate.''

"The notion of the sovereignty of the people is anti-Islamic. Only Allah is sovereign.''

Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, the leader of the Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorist organization.



Iran

“Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war.   Those who say this are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies.'”

The Ayatollah Khomeini



Indonesia

“Keep on fighting for the application of Islamic law. If this state and nation wants to become great, safe, and at peace then it has to return to Islam one hundred percent without bargaining. If not, then it will be destroyed.”

Abu Bakar Bashir, spiritual leader of the Indonesian Mujahideen



Iraq (Sunni)

“There is no doubt that Allah commanded us to strike the Kuffar (unbelievers), kill them, and fight them by all means necessary to achieve the goal. The servants of Allah who perform Jihad to elevate the word (laws) of Allah, are permitted to use any and all means necessary to strike the active unbeliever combatants for the purpose of killing them, snatch their souls from their body, cleanse the earth from their abomination, and lift their trial and persecution of the servants of Allah. The goal must be pursued even if the means to accomplish it affect both the intended active fighters and unintended passive ones such as women, children and any other passive category specified by our jurisprudence.”

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Sunni terrorist known for cutting captives’ throats



Iraq (Shia)

“My motivation is a sense of duty toward my religious faith to fight against any hostile enemy of Islam.”

Abu Deraa, sh*tte terrorist known for drilling into captive’s heads



Israel

“The Islamic Resistance Movement: Islam is its way. It is from Islam that it derives its ideas, concepts, and perceptions concerning the universe, life, and man, and it refers to Islam's judgment in all its actions. It is from Islam that it seeks direction so as to guide its
steps. “

The covenant of the bloody Hamas terrorist organization (Islamic Resistance Movement)



Jordan

“Terrorism is a badge of honour on our chests until Judgement Day. In the name of Allah, we’re pursuing the path of jihad until we uproot you, exterminate your state until the rule of the king vanishes. We follow the steps of the Prophet (Muhammad)... Allah is our Lord; you have none."

Hassan al-Smeik, leader of the cell that plotted a chemical weapons attack intended to kill 80,000 Jordanians



Lebanon

“We are… linked to the Muslims of the whole world by the solid doctrinal and religious connection of Islam, whose message God wanted to be fulfilled by the Seal of the Prophets, i.e., Muhammad”

From the charter of the Hezbollah terrorist group, which has kidnapped, tortured and killed numerous non-Muslims.



Pakistan

"I will go back to wage jihad. I pray Allah fulfils my desire of embracing martyrdom next time,"

Hizbul Mujahideen cadre, when asked why he kills the Indian people



"With regard to Osama and Al-Zawahiri, I never met them, but I have the utmost love and respect for them, because of their enmity towards the Jews and the Christians. The Muslims must be harsh towards the infidels and compassionate among themselves. These two men reflect this Koranic verse... We place our trust in Allah. Soon, we will witness the miracles of Jihad."

By'atullah Mahsoud, the Emir of the Pakistani Taliban



The Philippines

“We may be small in number, but we have plenty fighting with us--the angels and the hand of Allah. We dream of an entire Islamic world, and we will achieve it. Allah is with us."

Abu Sayyaf terrorist group leader, Khadaffy Janjalani, responsible for church bombings and beheadings.



Saudi Arabia

"One of the greatest virtues in Islam is jihad for the sake of God. Ramadan is the month of jihad and battles, and most Muslim battles took place during the blessed month. This is your season, o people of jihad. Jihad during the fasting month of Ramadan has a great taste -- for what better way to break your fast than to kill infidels and relish the sound of the weeping of the despicable tyrants and infidels."

Saudi-based terrorist magazine, al-Jihad



Somalia

"And your brothers of the Mujahideen Movement are on their way, going forth in Jihad against the occupiers and disbelievers so that the word of Allah is the highest and there is no more fitnah on earth and the religion is solely for Allah."

Deadly Somali terrorist group calling itself, Youth Islamic Movement

Spain

"Allah, may he be praised, said… ‘Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they have driven you out; for internal strife [Fitna] is worse than killing.’"

The Qur’anic verse quoted by the Abu Hafs Al-Masri Brigades in explaining the murder of 202 Madrid train commuters



Sudan

"To Fight and Conquer. Death in the name of Allah."

The unit logo of the Janjaweed militia, responsible for “cleansing” Darfur of African people along with the rape of thousands of women.

"Long live the Mujahideen"

Sudanese President, Omar al-Bahir, at a meeting of Janjaweed fighters.

“Jihad is a duty.”

The constitution of the Islamic Republic of Sudan



Syria

“Our hero [the suicide bomber] believed in Allah and died while fighting for Allah”

Islamic Jihad leader, Abu Ayman



Thailand

“….Martyrs, how glorious we will be if we fall as warriors of our land. When Martyrs are killed, they are not dead but alive next to Allah. They will watch and listen to every piece of news to see if their children will follow in their footsteps….”

Berjihad di Pattani, “calls for a holy war to liberate Pattani from ‘colonists’. It is liberal in employing metaphoric references and verses from the Quran. ...a significant and clear articulation of the radical religious dimension of the conflict in south Thailand used within the context of Malay-Muslim resentment of the central government. It engages in Takdir (the labeling of fellow Muslims as infidels) and makes direct calls for Martyrs to attack fellow Muslims perceived to be collaborating with the “occupation”, or the Jahili (people of the ignorance). It views the practice of religious obligations of these “hypocrite” Muslims as a disguise hiding hearts filled with fury and hatred against Islam…”



Turkey

“The Koran says: ‘Fight them until evil disappears and all religion becomes Allah's [religion].' The suicide activists who blow themselves up are carrying out the Koran's commandment.’"

Ali Osman Zor, Great East Islamic Raiders Front terrorist organization



United Kingdom

“Our religion is Islam - obedience to the one true God, Allah, and following the footsteps of the final prophet and messenger Muhammad... This is how our ethical stances are dictated. “

Mohammad Sidique Khan, London subway bomber, explaining his motives on a pre-recorded video tape.



United States

"I did not act out of hatred for Americans, but love for Allah instead. I live only to serve Allah by obeying all of Allah’s commandments, of which I am aware by reading and learning the contents of the Koran.”

Mohammed Reza Taheri-Azar, explaining (in his words) “reasons for premeditating and attempting to murder citizens and residents of the United States of America.” He also quoted 141 verses from the Qur'an.



Uzbekistan

"We have declared a jihad to create a religious government in Uzbekistan”

Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan leader, Tahir Yuldeshev



September 11th Attacks

"We killed them outside their land, praise be to Allah. Today, we kill them in the midst of their own home.

O Allah, revive an entire nation by our deaths. O Allah, I sacrifice myself for your sake, accept me as a martyr. O Allah, I sacrifice myself for your sake, accept me as a martyr. O Allah, I sacrifice myself for your sake, accept me as a martyr.

To the Garden of Eden, our first house. We shall meet in the eternal Paradise with the prophets, honest people, martyrs and righteous people. They are the best of companions. Praise be to Allah. Allah's peace, mercy and blessings be upon you. "

Ahmad al-Haznawi, Flight 93 Hijacker



"Those 19 brothers who left us made efforts and offered their lives for the cause of Allah. Allah has favored them with this conquest, which we are enjoying now"

Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda's Number Two, explaining the motives for the plot.



"Be cheerful, for you have only moments between you and your eternity, after which a happy and satisfying life begins...

"Remember: it is a raid for the sake of Allah. Recite the prayer. As you take the seat, recite the prayer. Mention Allah a lot. When the hijacking begins, "Shout Allah is great because this shout strikes terrors in the hearts of the infidels

"And the moment of death should be accompanied by the basic statement of belief recited by all Muslims at the call to prayer. Seconds before the target, your last words should be, 'there is no god but Allah. Mohammed is his messenger!."

Written instructions to the hijackers.



"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"

Last words from the cockpit of Flight 93.

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.



Коментари:
Постирано од: Aisha
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 13:07
Neznaev deka uste postojat luge koi veruvaat deka 11/09 e delo na muslimani...
No sepak ne e zabraneto da se veruva vo bajki...

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PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM!!!!


Постирано од: mudzahid
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 13:09
Би те замолил темплариус, бидејќи отвараш нова тема, барем тука дај превод. Јас за жал не го разбирам англискиот јазик, а верувам дека има и доста други членови кои исто така недоволно или воопшто не разбираат ништо од ова.
Исто така би сакал во иднина сите коментари кои се водат на форумот да бидат на македонски јазик, со цел да се води подобра дискусија.
Благодарам за разбирањето
Поздрав


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И НЕ СЛЕДИ ГО ОНА ШТО НЕ ГО ЗНАЕШ.
И ИЗБЕГНУВАЈ ТЕ ГОВОР ЛАЖЕН.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 13:22
temata e ,,ubistvo zaradi vera,, a ne ,,vojna zaradi vera,,. zatoa preimenuvaj. zatoa se sto e navedeno e za vojna a ne za nekoe ubistvo. Islamot ne e vera od tipot na hare-krisna pa da dozvoluva ubistvo. i ako imas nesto vo vrska so temata osnova treba da tie k*ranot, a ne nekoi citati od nekogo i nesto

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 13:23
i dali ova tema ti bese kontratema za,, ubistvo zaradi pogled,, poradi toa sto nemase tamu sto da komeniras poveke

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 13:44
Ne jas ne postavuvam kontra temi a ako malku podobro ja procitas temava ce vidis deka se reboti bas za k*ranot i za izvadoci od nego....vojna protiv kogo i zasto si procital li da vidis...

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 13:52
nikade nema izvadoci od k*ranot, tuku nivna licna interpretacija , ti procita li

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 13:57
Turkey

“The Koran says: ‘Fight them until evil disappears and all religion becomes Allah's [religion].' The suicide activists who blow themselves up are carrying out the Koran's commandment.’"

Ali Osman Zor, Great East Islamic Raiders Front terrorist organization

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 14:11
,,And fight them on until there is no more persecution, and religion becomes Allah's in its entirety; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do,,.8.39

ova e originalot, a nekoj kako saka da go interpretira
ne sakav da go postirm na arapski

a voriot del ,,but if they cease.. .go zaboravi

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 14:17
Bachios jas so ovaa ne provociram i bas cekav dali nekoj ce go najde ovoj ajet i ce go prenese vo celost kako ti sto napravi sekoja cest e sega ti mi kazi zasto toa go pravat taka zasto se sluzat so verata i na toj nacin gi ocrnuvaat site muslimani zasto pravat duplo loso?????

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 14:19
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Bachios jas so ovaa ne provociram i bas cekav dali nekoj ce go najde ovoj ajet i ce go prenese vo celost kako ti sto napravi sekoja cest e sega ti mi kazi zasto toa go pravat taka zasto se sluzat so verata i na toj nacin gi ocrnuvaat site muslimani zasto pravat duplo loso?????


prvo go procita li celiot-da

zosto pravat taka
pa da imat opravduvanje za svoite postapki,te go zemat delot sto im pasira o drugiot del ne se kazuva- eve kako vo tvojot slucaj, da ne go znese drugiot del ke imase druga percepcija

btw i crkvata go pravi istoto, pa i druigte religii go pravat istoto

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 14:21
Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Bachios jas so ovaa ne provociram i bas cekav dali nekoj ce go najde ovoj ajet i ce go prenese vo celost kako ti sto napravi sekoja cest e sega ti mi kazi zasto toa go pravat taka zasto se sluzat so verata i na toj nacin gi ocrnuvaat site muslimani zasto pravat duplo loso?????


prvo go procita li celiot-da

zosto pravat taka
pa da imat opravduvanje za svoite postapki

btw i crkvata go pravi istoto, pa i druigte religii go pravat istoto



Se soglasuvam so tebe no zasto ne bidat mazi pa opravduvanjeto ne go stavat na svoj grb nego go tovarat na grbot na religijata i na toj nacin se obiduvaat svesno ili nesvesno da gi ocrnat site muslimani.....

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 14:26
kazi mi ti mene...

pak ti kazuvam takvi manipulacii ima vo sekoja vera

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 14:27
i pak ti kazuvam- temata- ,,ubistvo,, ne ti e na mesto

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 14:29
ti bidejki eve si templar
dali si cital za crusaderite- citaj ili najdi vo net za 2 ili 3 pohod za zavzemanjet na lisabon os strana na crusaderite i tamu ke vidis koi se bile istinksite celi na tie lugje

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 14:32
Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

ti bidejki eve si templar
dali si cital za crusaderite- citaj ili najdi vo net za 2 ili 3 pohod za zavzemanjet na lisabon os strana na crusaderite i tamu ke vidis koi se bile istinksite celi na tie lugje


Nivnata cel znam sto bila i ne ja opravduvam zasto i tie se sluzele so imeto na boga za da napravat nekoja globalna dominacija pari i sto jas znam......vo hristijanskiot svet nikoj niv ne gi glorificira .....

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 18:32
ne gi glorificirat bidejki se sramat od niv

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 20:00
Кој тоа се срами од нив?!?!


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 21:57
Originally posted by zidarski zidarski напиша:

Кој тоа се срами од нив?!?!


vidi gore

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 21:59
Jas rekov deka ne gi opravduvam i ne gi glorificiram no NE deka se sramam od niv...

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:00
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Jas rekov deka ne gi opravduvam i ne gi glorificiram no NE deka se sramam od niv...

znaci se gordees so niv...

ajde odlucete ednas , imate eden urnebes na pozicii

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:01
Ако не ги глорифицираат, не значи дека се срамат...


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:02
Originally posted by zidarski zidarski напиша:

Ако не ги глорифицираат, не значи дека се срамат...


pa dobro kazte zosto ne se glorificirat?

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:04
Ne se glorificiraat zasto toa ne e hristijanski...

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:04
Затоа што нема потреба од тоа. Тие имале своја функција во времето во кое биле формирани и ја извршиле таа функција. Не се глорифицирани, затоа што внатрешните раздори во западниот свет доведуваат до нивно негирање со векови, за некаде во 19-тиот век, повторно да се почне да се зборува за нивното дело од позитивен аспект. Не биле светци, но нема никаква причина за човек да се срами од нив, напротив, доста гордо ја извршувале задачата која ја избрале.


Постирано од: Aisha
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:05
Pa zidarski koj e vasiot stav za krvoprolevanjeto na krstonsocite?
Ne se gordees so niv, no ne se ni sramis od niv?
Kakov e togas stavot na sekoj iskren hristijanin kon krstonosnite vojni....
Ko sto se sekavam ednas na poforumov, rekovte deka gi osuduvate zar ne?

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PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM!!!!


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:06
A bachios dali znaes sto dovelo do toa tie da se pojavat i da go pravat toa sto go pravele???? Mislam toa e ospto poznavanje na istorija jas vo eden moj topik dadov kompletna vremenska karta na istoriskite zbidnuvanja pred krstonosnite vojni....

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:06
Originally posted by zidarski zidarski напиша:

Затоа што нема потреба од тоа. Тие имале своја функција во времето во кое биле формирани и ја извршиле таа функција. Не се глорифицирани, затоа што внатрешните раздори во западниот свет доведуваат до нивно негирање со векови, за некаде во 19-тиот век, повторно да се почне да се зборува за нивното дело од позитивен аспект. Не биле светци, но нема никаква причина за човек да се срами од нив, напротив, доста гордо ја извршувале задачата која ја избрале.


zidarski , ti malo kako ono,kasno marko na kosovo stize,,
citaj gi posotvite od pocetok

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:07
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

A bachios dali znaes sto dovelo do toa tie da se pojavat i da go pravat toa sto go pravele???? Mislam toa e ospto poznavanje na istorija jas vo eden moj topik dadov kompletna vremenska karta na istoriskite zbidnuvanja pred krstonosnite vojni....


pa aj kazi uste ednas jas ne sum bil vo forumot togas

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Aisha
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:08

Originally posted by zidarski zidarski напиша:

Затоа што нема потреба од тоа. Тие имале своја функција во времето во кое биле формирани и ја извршиле таа функција. Не се глорифицирани, затоа што внатрешните раздори во западниот свет доведуваат до нивно негирање со векови, за некаде во 19-тиот век, повторно да се почне да се зборува за нивното дело од позитивен аспект. Не биле светци, но нема никаква причина за човек да се срами од нив, напротив, доста гордо ја извршувале задачата која ја избрале.


Za nivnoto delo od pozitiven aspekt
Ubivale nevini luge, alooooo
Ili za svetot edinstvenoto i NAJBITNOTO I NAJPOZITIVNOTO BILO TOA STO STANUVA ZBOR ZA MUSLIMANI, UBIVALE MUSLIMANI.....

Znaci spored tebe na sekoj zlostornik prvo treba da mu se cestita za uspesno napravenoto zlodelo.....a duri potoa ona sto sledi....

Aj da ne bide deka ti gi iskrivuvam zborovite, ubedi me deka tvoite gorenavedeni tekstovi ne vodat do vakov zaklucok.

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PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM!!!!


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:10
Pa neli vie istoto go pravite deneska so terroristite koi ubivaat nevini ludje vo imeto na alah????

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:11
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Pa neli vie istoto go pravite deneska so terroristite koi ubivaat nevini ludje vo imeto na alah????


ajde sega, mozes bolje

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: stars
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:12
izvini nogu gresis


Постирано од: Aisha
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:13
SEKOE UBIVANJE NA NEVINI LICA E OSTRO OSUDENO OD STRANA NA ISLAMOT.....
MUHAMMED, nbmn, REKOL: ONOJ KOJ KE UBIE NEKOJ, A TOJ NE UBIL NIKOJ - KAKO DA GO UBIL CELO COVESTVO.
Znaci ako musliman ubie SAMO EDEN nevin covek kaj Boga ke mu se pripise kako da go ubil celos covestvo.

Kontas ba!


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PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM!!!!


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:14
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Pa neli vie istoto go pravite deneska so terroristite koi ubivaat nevini ludje vo imeto na alah????


i kazi mi koga vikame deka ,,dobro ,,ja izvrsuvaat rabotata kako sto vika zidarski

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: stars
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:15
vo pravo si taka e


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:16
Originally posted by stars stars напиша:

vo pravo si taka e

a be covek, vo pravo si, pa gresis,

kazi komu se obrakas

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: stars
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:21
hej izvini nov sum ne to bese zagi znam funkciite so psted aizha


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:23
Originally posted by stars stars напиша:

hej izvini nov sum ne to bese zagi znam funkciite so psted aizha

ok , matisni citiraj i pisi sto sakas da mu kazes na nekogo nesto

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: stars
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:27
abe ovoj templarius nogu filmovi americki gleat galiba ha??


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:29
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Pa neli vie istoto go pravite deneska so terroristite koi ubivaat nevini ludje vo imeto na alah????


templare samo so ova li ostana?
me razocara

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: stars
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:31
deneska muslimanite se nogu bolji.a to so filmovite so teroristtite ja mislam deka se samo fantazii inaku filmovite nema da se interesni


Постирано од: stars
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:33
kaj se be site si zaminaa,ha jas samo so vlegov


Постирано од: stars
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:33
si odam i jas
mislev deka ce naucam neso ali drug pat


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:34
taka pravat koga nemat odgovori

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Aisha
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:35
Ima i drugi temi....
BIdejki gledam deka si nov, eden sovet....
Forumov e namenet za nokni ptici....ke vidis kako se razgoruva debatata posle polnok....

Galjiba

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PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM!!!!


Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:39
Ајде смирете се сите...
Бачиос - многу убаво ти одговорив, токму така како што мислам. За темпларите сме зборувале премногу - има две или три теми посветени на нив.
Аиша - не мешај крстоносци со темплари. Вторите се посебен орден.
А сега - вратете се на темата! Ако сакате да зборувате за темпларите, најдете ја темата и обновете ја.


Постирано од: Omer El Faruk
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:40
Originally posted by Aisha Aisha напиша:

Ima i drugi temi....
BIdejki gledam deka si nov, eden sovet....
Forumov e namenet za nokni ptici....ke vidis kako se razgoruva debatata posle polnok....

Galjiba



Само мала корекција сестро.Не се вели Гаљиба,туку Галиба.
Старс,аку си реканец обавезно да ми пишиш ена порака. (ова беше речено по рекански)


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I LOVE ISLAM


Постирано од: Aisha
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:41
Ej galjiba e na sandzacki, znaes kolku sandzakliite se gordi na svoeto "LJ"

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PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM!!!!


Постирано од: Omer El Faruk
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:45

Епа тоа е веќе нешто друго.Искрено не знаев дека браќата од Санџак го употребуваат тој збор.

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I LOVE ISLAM


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:45
Originally posted by zidarski zidarski напиша:

Ајде смирете се сите...
Бачиос - многу убаво ти одговорив, токму така како што мислам. За темпларите сме зборувале премногу - има две или три теми посветени на нив.
Аиша - не мешај крстоносци со темплари. Вторите се посебен орден.
А сега - вратете се на темата! Ако сакате да зборувате за темпларите, најдете ја темата и обновете ја.


zidarski ne zboruvaV za templarite tuku za krstonoscite(crusaders), a so templarius zborevme za manipulacite na nekoi lugje koi osnova za svoite dejanija barat vo verata. citaj gi postovite

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Aisha
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 22:56
Originally posted by zidarski zidarski напиша:

Аиша - не мешај крстоносци со темплари. Вторите се посебен орден.


Nitu ednite nitu drugite ne zasluzuvaa orden.....
A ti sepak vesto go izbegna mojot zaklucok, na postot koj ti go napisa, za onie na koi nitu se gordees nitu se sramis.

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PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM!!!!


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:06
Ne e tocno Templarite zasluzuvaat orden i go nosta so gordost a toa sto ti ne si informirana ni za ednite ni za drugite toa e druga rabota .........

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:10
Bachios eve uste ednas, ovaa se istoriski fakti koi dovele do toa da se pojavat krusaderite.....




630 Two years before Muhammad's death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized. He turned around and went home, but not before extracting 'agreements' from northern tribes. They could enjoy the 'privilege' of living under Islamic 'protection' (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax (jizya).

This tax sets the stage for Muhammad's and the later Caliphs' policies. If the attacked city or region did not want to convert to Islam, then they paid a jizya tax. If they converted, then they paid a zakat tax. Either way, money flowed back to the Islamic treasury in Arabia or to the local Muslim governor.

632—634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax. Islam does not allow for religious freedom.

633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al—Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616—17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today's Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034—35).

634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al—Walid. An unnamed Muslim remarks: 'The Romans are so numerous and the Muslims so few.' To this Khalid retorts: 'How few are the Romans, and how many the Muslims! Armies become numerous only with victory and few only with defeat, not by the number of men. By God, I would love it . . . if the enemy were twice as many' (Tabari, 11:94 / 2095). Osama bin Ladin quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This philosophy of death probably comes from a verse like Sura 2:96. Muhammad assesses the Jews: '[Prophet], you are sure to find them [the Jews] clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even polytheists' (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur'an, Oxford UP, 2004; first insertion in brackets is Haleem's; the second mine).

634—644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al—Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.

635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus

636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.

637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al—Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636)

638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.

638—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.

639—642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.

641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.

643—707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.

644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar.

644—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.

656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son—in—law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet's daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph.

656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad's wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman's assassination. Ali's partisans win.

657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali

661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali's supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina.

661—680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus

673—678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire

680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad's grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq.

691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad's death.

705 Abd al—Malik restores Umayyad rule.

710—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.

711—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place.

719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governor

732 The Muslim Crusaders stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance

749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids

756 Foundation of Umayyid amirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids

762 Foundation of Baghdad

785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova

789 Rise of Idrisid amirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed.

800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia

807 Caliph Harun al—Rashid orders the destruction of non—Muslim prayer houses and of the church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem

809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy

813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country

831 Muslim Crusaders capture Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy

850 Caliph al—Matawakkil orders the destruction of non—Muslim houses of prayer

855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria)

837—901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France

869—883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq

909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia

928—969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969)

937 The Ikhshid, a particularly harsh Muslim ruler, writes to Emperor Romanus, boasting of his control over the holy places

937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims; more churches in Jerusalem are attacked

960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam

966 Anti—Christian riots in Jerusalem

969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo

c. 970 Seljuks enter conquered Islamic territories from the East

973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids

1003 First persecutions by al—Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed

1009 Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by al—Hakim (see 937)

1012 Beginning of al—Hakim's oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians

1015 Earthquake in Palestine; the dome of the Dome of the Rock collapses

1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus

1048 Reconstruction of the Church of the Resurrection completed

1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (aka Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law.

1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate

1055 Confiscation of property of Church of the Resurrection

1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia

1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine

1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders)

1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia

1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana

1085 Toledo is taken back by Christian armies

1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca

1090—1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands

1094 Byzantine emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help against Seljuk invasions of his territory; Seljuks are Muslim Turkish family of eastern origins; see 970

1095 Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099

So it is only after all of the Islamic aggressive invasions that Western Christendom launches its first Crusades.


Sega ako go proictia ovaa jasno ce ti e deka sepak istorijata i politikata vo toa vreme odigrala golema uloga......

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:12
A sega da se vratime na temata ili ne vi odgvoara a ako sakate da pisuvame za krstonoscite nema problem no toa e mnogu smesno zasto vo toa vreme krstonoscite ne vojuvale samo protiv muslimanite ako se pogledne istorijata togas muslimanite i nemale nekoja svoja posebna (vo denesna smisla drzava).....plus toa krstonoscite vojuvale so vojski znaci vojuvale na bojni polinja tie ne se motale so eksploziva nitu pak kukavicki podmetnuvale bombi....

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:19
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

A sega da se vratime na temata ili ne vi odgvoara a ako sakate da pisuvame za krstonoscite nema problem no toa e mnogu smesno zasto vo toa vreme krstonoscite ne vojuvale samo protiv muslimanite ako se pogledne istorijata togas muslimanite i nemale nekoja svoja posebna (vo denesna smisla drzava).....plus toa krstonoscite vojuvale so vojski znaci vojuvale na bojni polinja tie ne se motale so eksploziva nitu pak kukavicki podmetnuvale bombi....


da se vratiem na temata

a tie popat masakrirale nekoj grad pr, lisabon.
ne daj boze da imale eksplozivi, pa kakvi bile...svetot ne bi postoel
za ova poslednot se soglasi, ne zaboravi go toa

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:22
Originally posted by Aisha Aisha напиша:

Originally posted by zidarski zidarski напиша:

Аиша - не мешај крстоносци со темплари. Вторите се посебен орден.


Nitu ednite nitu drugite ne zasluzuvaa orden.....
A ti sepak vesto go izbegna mojot zaklucok, na postot koj ti go napisa, za onie na koi nitu se gordees nitu se sramis.


Прво - Бачиос спомна глорифицирање. Тоа е различно од гордост! Јас се гордеам со Темпларите, но не ги глорифицирам. Нема потреба од тоа.
Второ - Орден, не значи само награда, значка, туку означува и групација, организација, братство. Во таа смисла го употребив.

Ајде сите назад на тема, нешто премногу избегавме...


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:24
Originally posted by zidarski zidarski напиша:

Originally posted by Aisha Aisha напиша:

Originally posted by zidarski zidarski напиша:

Аиша - не мешај крстоносци со темплари. Вторите се посебен орден.


Nitu ednite nitu drugite ne zasluzuvaa orden.....
A ti sepak vesto go izbegna mojot zaklucok, na postot koj ti go napisa, za onie na koi nitu se gordees nitu se sramis.


Прво - Бачиос спомна глорифицирање. Тоа е различно од гордост! Јас се гордеам со Темпларите, но не ги глорифицирам. Нема потреба од тоа.
Второ - Орден, не значи само награда, значка, туку означува и групација, организација, братство. Во таа смисла го употребив.

Ајде сите назад на тема, нешто премногу избегавме...


ajde pak

bachios nikade NE SPOMNA TEMPLARI, BIDEJKI MOETO POZNAVANJE ZA NIV E DEKA BILE POBOZNI LUGJE , A TIE SEPAK IMALE NEKAKVI VOENI ZAKONI, ZA RAZLIKA OD KRSTONOSCITE

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:24
Bachios jas ne od ostapuvam od stavot za politickite motivi koi krusaderite gi imale no isto i ne ostapuvam od stavot deka do tie politicki motivi dovele odredeni istoriski nastani koi ti gi navedov znaci da bideme otvoreni i da zboruvame so fakti a ne da nagadjame....

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:29
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Bachios jas ne od ostapuvam od stavot za politickite motivi koi krusaderite gi imale no isto i ne ostapuvam od stavot deka do tie politicki motivi dovele odredeni istoriski nastani koi ti gi navedov znaci da bideme otvoreni i da zboruvame so fakti a ne da nagadjame....


MOTOVITE NE BILE SAMO POLITICKI TUKU I MATERIJALNI, A TAKVO OPRAVDUVANJE STO DOVELO DO TOA , TAKOV ODGOVOR KE DOBIES I OD TIE SO ,,BOMBITE,, ILI NE GLEDAS VESTI

TAKA STO RALIKATA E DEKA JAS NIV NE GI PODRZUVAM ,A VIE SPROTIVNO GI PODRZUVATE A ZIDARSKI CAK I SE ,,GORDEE,,

TOA E RAZLIKATA,MY FRIEND, AKO POCENEM NIE SEGA ,KOE BILO PRVO JAJE ILI KOKOSKA,, .. TEMATA KE GUBI SMISLA

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:32
Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Bachios jas ne od ostapuvam od stavot za politickite motivi koi krusaderite gi imale no isto i ne ostapuvam od stavot deka do tie politicki motivi dovele odredeni istoriski nastani koi ti gi navedov znaci da bideme otvoreni i da zboruvame so fakti a ne da nagadjame....


MOTOVITE NE BILE SAMO POLITICKI TUKU I MATERIJALNI, A TAKVO OPRAVDUVANJE STO DOVELO DO TOA , TAKOV ODGOVOR KE DOBIES I OD TIE SO ,,BOMBITE,, ILI NE GLEDAS VESTI

TAKA STO RALIKATA E DEKA JAS NIV NE GI PODRZUVAM ,A VIE SPROTIVNO GI PODRZUVATE A ZIDARSKI CAK I SE ,,GORDEE,,

TOA E RAZLIKATA,MY FRIEND, AKO POCENEM NIE SEGA ,KOE BILO PRVO JAJE ILI KOKOSKA,, .. TEMATA KE GUBI SMISLA


Ne e tocno toa sto go velis prijatele morame da go zememe vo predvid i faktorot vreme a i faktorot kultura so toa sto ti go velis treba da dojdeme do zaklucok dekam muslimanite deneska imaat ista kultura kako sto imale pred iljadnici godini so toa ja pobivas sopstvenata kultura i ja spustas na nivo na koe ne bi sakal....

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:34
ZA KOJA KULTURA ZBORUVAS
NIE ZBORUVAME ZA VERA, NE ZA KULTURA,

A ZA VREMETO ISLAMOT E TAKOV KAKOV VO STO BIL VO TOA VREME, NE SE PROMENIL, AKO NA TOA CILJAS.


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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:37
I POSTEDI ME OD FILOZOFSKI SR...

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:37
Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

ZA KOJA KULTURA ZBORUVAS
NIE ZBORUVAME ZA VERA, NE ZA KULTURA,

A ZA VREMETO ISLAMOT E TAKOV KAKOV VO STO BIL VO TOA VREME, NE SE PROMENIL, AKO NA TOA CILJAS.


Ne, zastani, jas ne celam na nisto jas samo donasam zaklucok vrz osnova na tvoite zaklucoci a sekoja kultura mora da ima koreni vo verata taka da konstatacijata ja izvedov od tvojot stav a ne deka jas kazav nesto .... spored tebe izleguva deka tvojata vera i kultura na civilizaciskata skala ne mrdnale nagore so iljadnici godini......

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:39
Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

I POSTEDI ME OD FILOZOFSKI SR...


Moeto zboruvanje e koncizno i e na mesto a ti ako imas problem da go raberes toa toa e tvoj problem ne moj a filozofijata so ovaa nema nisto, posebno koga se diskutira na vakov ton na koj jas i ti diskutirame...zatoa te molam socuvaj si go dostoinstvoto..

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:43
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

ZA KOJA KULTURA ZBORUVAS
NIE ZBORUVAME ZA VERA, NE ZA KULTURA,

A ZA VREMETO ISLAMOT E TAKOV KAKOV VO STO BIL VO TOA VREME, NE SE PROMENIL, AKO NA TOA CILJAS.


Ne, zastani, jas ne celam na nisto jas samo donasam zaklucok vrz osnova na tvoite zaklucoci a sekoja kultura mora da ima koreni vo verata taka da konstatacijata ja izvedov od tvojot stav a ne deka jas kazav nesto .... spored tebe izleguva deka tvojata vera i kultura na civilizaciskata skala ne mrdnale nagore so iljadnici godini......


EVE GLEDAS
mojata vera e takva ,,izvorna,, i jas toa ne go negiram za ralzika od tvojata koja se ,,modernizirala,, , zosto ako tvojata e ,,izvorna,, taa e postara od mojata a ti si 2000 godini nazad vo ,,civilizaciksta skala,,- po tvoja logika

pa sto ke kazes dali imate modernizacija ili ne

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: muhadzir
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:47
Originally posted by Aisha Aisha напиша:

SEKOE UBIVANJE NA NEVINI LICA E OSTRO OSUDENO OD STRANA NA ISLAMOT.....
MUHAMMED, nbmn, REKOL: ONOJ KOJ KE UBIE NEKOJ, A TOJ NE UBIL NIKOJ - KAKO DA GO UBIL CELO COVESTVO.
Znaci ako musliman ubie SAMO EDEN nevin covek kaj Boga ke mu se pripise kako da go ubil celos covestvo.



аплаузаплауз
аплауз

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ISLAM VJERA ISTINE


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:52


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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:52
Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

ZA KOJA KULTURA ZBORUVAS
NIE ZBORUVAME ZA VERA, NE ZA KULTURA,

A ZA VREMETO ISLAMOT E TAKOV KAKOV VO STO BIL VO TOA VREME, NE SE PROMENIL, AKO NA TOA CILJAS.


Ne, zastani, jas ne celam na nisto jas samo donasam zaklucok vrz osnova na tvoite zaklucoci a sekoja kultura mora da ima koreni vo verata taka da konstatacijata ja izvedov od tvojot stav a ne deka jas kazav nesto .... spored tebe izleguva deka tvojata vera i kultura na civilizaciskata skala ne mrdnale nagore so iljadnici godini......


EVE GLEDAS
mojata vera e takva ,,izvorna,, i jas toa ne go negiram za ralzika od tvojata koja se ,,modernizirala,, , zosto ako tvojata e ,,izvorna,, taa e postara od mojata a ti si 2000 godini nazad vo ,,civilizaciksta skala,,- po tvoja logika

pa sto ke kazes dali imate modernizacija ili ne


gleadma deka nemas komentar , ajd cao

baz zaradi ova ti rekov za filozofijata

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:57
Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

ZA KOJA KULTURA ZBORUVAS
NIE ZBORUVAME ZA VERA, NE ZA KULTURA,

A ZA VREMETO ISLAMOT E TAKOV KAKOV VO STO BIL VO TOA VREME, NE SE PROMENIL, AKO NA TOA CILJAS.


Ne, zastani, jas ne celam na nisto jas samo donasam zaklucok vrz osnova na tvoite zaklucoci a sekoja kultura mora da ima koreni vo verata taka da konstatacijata ja izvedov od tvojot stav a ne deka jas kazav nesto .... spored tebe izleguva deka tvojata vera i kultura na civilizaciskata skala ne mrdnale nagore so iljadnici godini......


EVE GLEDAS
mojata vera e takva ,,izvorna,, i jas toa ne go negiram za ralzika od tvojata koja se ,,modernizirala,, , zosto ako tvojata e ,,izvorna,, taa e postara od mojata a ti si 2000 godini nazad vo ,,civilizaciksta skala,,- po tvoja logika

pa sto ke kazes dali imate modernizacija ili ne



Normalno deka ima modernizacija no modernizacija vo pogled na kulturata nacinot na ziveenje i moralnite normi i socijalnoto odnesuvanje i ureduvanje i normalno e deka mojata kultura se modernizirala i ja smislila taa skala na civilizacijata na koja ti sakas da ja vratis 2000 godini nanazad..verata pak moze da bide izvorna no da ostane vo svojot izvoren oblik kako vera i da ne vrsi pritisok na kulturata so toa sto taa kako izvorna ce ja unazaduva kulturata.....za toa ti zboruvam celo vreme ....

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: muhadzir
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:57
Edno izvesno vreme da e otsuten covek mnogu nesta se slucuvaat, ama ostanuva istiot tek na dvizenje na nestata.
 Templarius mora li sekogas da se otvara tema koja e na granicata na konfliktnost?  A cisto se somnevam deka e so namera da se pridobie izvesno znaenje.


Bachios, mnogu ubavo komentari brat imasаплауз




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ISLAM VJERA ISTINE


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 21.Април.2008 во 23:58
Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

ZA KOJA KULTURA ZBORUVAS
NIE ZBORUVAME ZA VERA, NE ZA KULTURA,

A ZA VREMETO ISLAMOT E TAKOV KAKOV VO STO BIL VO TOA VREME, NE SE PROMENIL, AKO NA TOA CILJAS.


Ne, zastani, jas ne celam na nisto jas samo donasam zaklucok vrz osnova na tvoite zaklucoci a sekoja kultura mora da ima koreni vo verata taka da konstatacijata ja izvedov od tvojot stav a ne deka jas kazav nesto .... spored tebe izleguva deka tvojata vera i kultura na civilizaciskata skala ne mrdnale nagore so iljadnici godini......


EVE GLEDAS
mojata vera e takva ,,izvorna,, i jas toa ne go negiram za ralzika od tvojata koja se ,,modernizirala,, , zosto ako tvojata e ,,izvorna,, taa e postara od mojata a ti si 2000 godini nazad vo ,,civilizaciksta skala,,- po tvoja logika

pa sto ke kazes dali imate modernizacija ili ne


gleadma deka nemas komentar , ajd cao

baz zaradi ova ti rekov za filozofijata



hahahaha Ne begaj tolku brgu imam komentar no isto taka imam komentari i na drugi diskusii a ti ne si VIP na ovaa diskusija na kogo mora da mu se odgovori po sekoja cena...

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 22.Април.2008 во 00:00
Originally posted by muhadzir muhadzir напиша:

Edno izvesno vreme da e otsuten covek mnogu nesta se slucuvaat, ama ostanuva istiot tek na dvizenje na nestata. Templarius mora li sekogas da se otvara tema koja e na granicata na konfliktnost?  A cisto se somnevam deka e so namera da se pridobie izvesno znaenje.Bachios, mnogu ubavo komentari brat imasаплауз


Ako na ovaa tema i prijdeme so ladni glavi i konstruktivno diskutirame mozeme mnogu da naucime no ako i prijdeme kako sto sme i prisle normalno deka ce se raspravame - znaci se zavisi od toa kako ce i prijdeme...

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 22.Април.2008 во 09:06
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

ZA KOJA KULTURA ZBORUVAS
NIE ZBORUVAME ZA VERA, NE ZA KULTURA,

A ZA VREMETO ISLAMOT E TAKOV KAKOV VO STO BIL VO TOA VREME, NE SE PROMENIL, AKO NA TOA CILJAS.


Ne, zastani, jas ne celam na nisto jas samo donasam zaklucok vrz osnova na tvoite zaklucoci a sekoja kultura mora da ima koreni vo verata taka da konstatacijata ja izvedov od tvojot stav a ne deka jas kazav nesto .... spored tebe izleguva deka tvojata vera i kultura na civilizaciskata skala ne mrdnale nagore so iljadnici godini......


EVE GLEDAS
mojata vera e takva ,,izvorna,, i jas toa ne go negiram za ralzika od tvojata koja se ,,modernizirala,, , zosto ako tvojata e ,,izvorna,, taa e postara od mojata a ti si 2000 godini nazad vo ,,civilizaciksta skala,,- po tvoja logika

pa sto ke kazes dali imate modernizacija ili ne



Normalno deka ima modernizacija no modernizacija vo pogled na kulturata nacinot na ziveenje i moralnite normi i socijalnoto odnesuvanje i ureduvanje i normalno e deka mojata kultura se modernizirala i ja smislila taa skala na civilizacijata na koja ti sakas da ja vratis 2000 godini nanazad..verata pak moze da bide izvorna no da ostane vo svojot izvoren oblik kako vera i da ne vrsi pritisok na kulturata so toa sto taa kako izvorna ce ja unazaduva kulturata.....za toa ti zboruvam celo vreme ....


covek, ne te prasav za kulturata, te prasav za verata. Ako nemas odgovor, togas e vo red

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 22.Април.2008 во 09:07
a da i ne mora da odgovaras, neli ne sum VIP

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 23.Април.2008 во 02:04
Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

a da i ne mora da odgovaras, neli ne sum VIP


Pa ne si VIP i te molam citaj gi moite postovi kaj ti odgvoaram zasto tamu e odgovorot a ti ako ne umes da go razberes tvoj problem....

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 23.Април.2008 во 02:06
Originally posted by muhadzir muhadzir напиша:

Edno izvesno vreme da e otsuten covek mnogu nesta se slucuvaat, ama ostanuva istiot tek na dvizenje na nestata. Templarius mora li sekogas da se otvara tema koja e na granicata na konfliktnost?  A cisto se somnevam deka e so namera da se pridobie izvesno znaenje.Bachios, mnogu ubavo komentari brat imasаплауз


I mnogu ste dosadni bre
Koj od vas da tresne nesto tuka bilo na mesto ili ne odma
Alah da te nagradi
Bravo brate

ajdeeeeeeeee da ne kazam kako sto ste

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 23.Април.2008 во 08:37
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

a da i ne mora da odgovaras, neli ne sum VIP


Pa ne si VIP i te molam citaj gi moite postovi kaj ti odgvoaram zasto tamu e odgovorot a ti ako ne umes da go razberes tvoj problem....


postedi me od filozofskite ,,raboti,,....
aj ne mora da odgovaras, odi vo politika

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 23.Април.2008 во 08:37
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Originally posted by muhadzir muhadzir напиша:

Edno izvesno vreme da e otsuten covek mnogu nesta se slucuvaat, ama ostanuva istiot tek na dvizenje na nestata. Templarius mora li sekogas da se otvara tema koja e na granicata na konfliktnost?  A cisto se somnevam deka e so namera da se pridobie izvesno znaenje.Bachios, mnogu ubavo komentari brat imasаплауз


I mnogu ste dosadni bre
Koj od vas da tresne nesto tuka bilo na mesto ili ne odma
Alah da te nagradi
Bravo brate

ajdeeeeeeeee da ne kazam kako sto ste


pa i nema da se cudime ako kazes

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 23.Април.2008 во 08:52
i za tvoja informacija - kulturata na eden narod ,drustvo idr. ne se asociira so verat, taa e del od kulturata

guglaj malku

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 23.Април.2008 во 14:32
Se gleda deka edinstven izvor na znaenje ti e google, kako i da e ne ni ocekuvav da sfatis nekoi raboti zasto izgleda za tebe se sto e malku pokomplicirano od 2+2 e filozofija .....

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 23.Април.2008 во 14:39
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Se gleda deka edinstven izvor na znaenje ti e google, kako i da e ne ni ocekuvav da sfatis nekoi raboti zasto izgleda za tebe se sto e malku pokomplicirano od 2+2 e filozofija .....


pa normalno deka gugl e eden vid znaenje, zosto ti da ne ,,citas, zvezdi

eve kazi mi sega prosto - dali tvojata vera (ne kultura!!) e ,,modernizirana,, ili e ,,izvorna,,- da ili ne? prosto da   iliiiii .. ne

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: Omer El Faruk
Датум на внесување: 23.Април.2008 во 14:45
Немој бе брате толку тешки прашања да му поставуваш.

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I LOVE ISLAM


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 23.Април.2008 во 14:47
Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Se gleda deka edinstven izvor na znaenje ti e google, kako i da e ne ni ocekuvav da sfatis nekoi raboti zasto izgleda za tebe se sto e malku pokomplicirano od 2+2 e filozofija .....


pa normalno deka gugl e eden vid znaenje, zosto ti da ne ,,citas, zvezdi

eve kazi mi sega prosto - dali tvojata vera (ne kultura!!) e ,,modernizirana,, ili e ,,izvorna,,- da ili ne? prosto da   iliiiii .. ne


Ti odogvoriv...i nemam namera da ti odgvaram po dva pati ako ti mislis deka si VIP jas mislam deka voopsto ne si ajde idi sega guglaj.....

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: BACHIOS
Датум на внесување: 23.Април.2008 во 14:52
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Originally posted by BACHIOS BACHIOS напиша:

Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Se gleda deka edinstven izvor na znaenje ti e google, kako i da e ne ni ocekuvav da sfatis nekoi raboti zasto izgleda za tebe se sto e malku pokomplicirano od 2+2 e filozofija .....


pa normalno deka gugl e eden vid znaenje, zosto ti da ne ,,citas, zvezdi

eve kazi mi sega prosto - dali tvojata vera (ne kultura!!) e ,,modernizirana,, ili e ,,izvorna,,- da ili ne? prosto da   iliiiii .. ne


Ti odogvoriv...i nemam namera da ti odgvaram po dva pati ako ti mislis deka si VIP jas mislam deka voopsto ne si ajde idi sega guglaj.....


ne. ne mi odgovri nego filozofirase nesto, demek mojata vera i kultura se zaostanti ,a tvojata vera i kultura iako se ,,postari,, od mojata se modernizirani, NO ne verata a samo kulturata, vo odredeno mesto ,vreme i prostor uuffff

a znaes da ili ne? ili ne mozes toa da go goltnes?
ok te razbiram, tesko e za goltanje

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I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse- Don Corleone


Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 23.Април.2008 во 23:06
А бе ај не почнувајте пак...


Постирано од: Aisha
Датум на внесување: 23.Април.2008 во 23:08
Mislam deka ke pocnat............

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PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM!!!!


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 25.Април.2008 во 00:48
Iran

“Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war.   Those who say this are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies.'”

The Ayatollah Khomeini


Moze li nekoj ovaa da mi go objasni oooo mudri ludje???

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: muhadzir
Датум на внесување: 25.Април.2008 во 01:27
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Iran

“Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war.   Those who say this are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies.'”

The Ayatollah Khomeini


Moze li nekoj ovaa da mi go objasni oooo mudri ludje???



Nema sto za objasnuvanje, Homeini i negovite sledbenici (Shiite) se zabegani nastrana od cistiot Islam! Retko koj od niv moze da ne e Izlezen od Islamski ramki!



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ISLAM VJERA ISTINE


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 25.Април.2008 во 01:42
Originally posted by muhadzir muhadzir напиша:


Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Iran

“Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war.   Those who say this are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies.'”

The Ayatollah Khomeini


Moze li nekoj ovaa da mi go objasni oooo mudri ludje???
Nema sto za objasnuvanje, Homeini i negovite sledbenici (Shiite) se zabegani nastrana od cistiot Islam! Retko koj od niv moze da ne e Izlezen od Islamski ramki!



Blagodaram na iskreniot odogvor no ete posto ti imase doblest da odogvoris na prasanjeto ce te prasam i za drugite zakletvi koi gi ima na pocetokot na ovaa tema kako ti kako musliman gledas na toa, koj e tvojot stav za toa ...


Blagodaram

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 26.Април.2008 во 01:27
Originally posted by Templarius Templarius напиша:

Ce navedam nekoi od zakletvite koi se koristat pri pristapuvanje na muslimanite vo radikalnite terroristicki organizacii koi za volja na vistinata ne mozat da ja dadat vistinskata slika za muslimanite (znaci ne se site muslimani takvi) no voedno i se mnogu slabo osudeni od strana na muslimanite, sto pak doveduva do zaklucok dali od strav ili pak mozebi od tajno podrzuvanje ovie postapki ne se osudeni i za niv ne se diskutira......seto ce bide navedeno na angliski, ne me prasuvajte mene za prevod zasto nema da gi prevedam.... Inaku isto tuka ce bide daden transkript od kokpitot na letot 93 koj na 9/11 udri vo kulite bliznacki....seto ovaa e interesno zasto, se sto se raboti se raboti vo imeto na alah, stavot na ovie terroristi e deka se sto e hristijansko ili kako tie gi narekuvaat kaafur, treba da se ubie...nivnata doktrina na ubivanje na spored niv,nevernicite, e edna od najakite i celata e zamotana vo velot na islamskata religija...me interesira vaseto mislenje za ovaa bez razlika na koja vera pripadate....zboruvajte sto sakate...jas kako avtor na ovaa tema velam deka na ovaa tema nema da ima offtopik se ce e ontopik....Znaci na ovaa ce gledame od verski aspekt zasto od drug aspekt i ne moze da se gleda - a ako nekoj se najde navreden ili ako se luti toa e negov problem


Afghanistan

"In the name of Allah the Avenger, I swear on the holy book to perform my sacred duty as a soldier of Islam in this Jihad to restore to this world the light of divine justice... Allah demands no less. For to die in the cause is to be sent immediately to paradise."

A Taliban official, explaining why the group is violent.



Algeria

“But the coming Islamic caliphate country will not rise except at the hands of the fighting sect who raises the flag of Allah and Jihad.”

Statement from the Salafi terrorist group, one of several fundamentalist cells responsible for the slaughter of 150,000 men women and children in the 1990’s.



Chechnya

“True resistance is helped by Allah the Supreme and the battles are for His just cause”

Abu Hafs, Mujahideen and one of the region’s most prolific killer



Egypt

"Allah is our objective, the Quran is our Constitution, the Prophet is our leader, Jihad is our way, and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."

Credo of the Muslim Brotherhood, which has spawned attacks and numerous subsidiary terrorist organizations



India (Kashmir)

“Democracy is among the menaces we inherited from an alien government. It is part of the system we are fighting against… It is not possible to work within a democracy and establish an Islamic system… If Allah gives us a chance, we will try to bring in the pure concept of an Islamic Caliphate.''

"The notion of the sovereignty of the people is anti-Islamic. Only Allah is sovereign.''

Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, the leader of the Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorist organization.



Iran

“Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war.   Those who say this are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies.'”

The Ayatollah Khomeini



Indonesia

“Keep on fighting for the application of Islamic law. If this state and nation wants to become great, safe, and at peace then it has to return to Islam one hundred percent without bargaining. If not, then it will be destroyed.”

Abu Bakar Bashir, spiritual leader of the Indonesian Mujahideen



Iraq (Sunni)

“There is no doubt that Allah commanded us to strike the Kuffar (unbelievers), kill them, and fight them by all means necessary to achieve the goal. The servants of Allah who perform Jihad to elevate the word (laws) of Allah, are permitted to use any and all means necessary to strike the active unbeliever combatants for the purpose of killing them, snatch their souls from their body, cleanse the earth from their abomination, and lift their trial and persecution of the servants of Allah. The goal must be pursued even if the means to accomplish it affect both the intended active fighters and unintended passive ones such as women, children and any other passive category specified by our jurisprudence.”

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Sunni terrorist known for cutting captives’ throats



Iraq (Shia)

“My motivation is a sense of duty toward my religious faith to fight against any hostile enemy of Islam.”

Abu Deraa, sh*tte terrorist known for drilling into captive’s heads



Israel

“The Islamic Resistance Movement: Islam is its way. It is from Islam that it derives its ideas, concepts, and perceptions concerning the universe, life, and man, and it refers to Islam's judgment in all its actions. It is from Islam that it seeks direction so as to guide its
steps. “

The covenant of the bloody Hamas terrorist organization (Islamic Resistance Movement)



Jordan

“Terrorism is a badge of honour on our chests until Judgement Day. In the name of Allah, we’re pursuing the path of jihad until we uproot you, exterminate your state until the rule of the king vanishes. We follow the steps of the Prophet (Muhammad)... Allah is our Lord; you have none."

Hassan al-Smeik, leader of the cell that plotted a chemical weapons attack intended to kill 80,000 Jordanians



Lebanon

“We are… linked to the Muslims of the whole world by the solid doctrinal and religious connection of Islam, whose message God wanted to be fulfilled by the Seal of the Prophets, i.e., Muhammad”

From the charter of the Hezbollah terrorist group, which has kidnapped, tortured and killed numerous non-Muslims.



Pakistan

"I will go back to wage jihad. I pray Allah fulfils my desire of embracing martyrdom next time,"

Hizbul Mujahideen cadre, when asked why he kills the Indian people



"With regard to Osama and Al-Zawahiri, I never met them, but I have the utmost love and respect for them, because of their enmity towards the Jews and the Christians. The Muslims must be harsh towards the infidels and compassionate among themselves. These two men reflect this Koranic verse... We place our trust in Allah. Soon, we will witness the miracles of Jihad."

By'atullah Mahsoud, the Emir of the Pakistani Taliban



The Philippines

“We may be small in number, but we have plenty fighting with us--the angels and the hand of Allah. We dream of an entire Islamic world, and we will achieve it. Allah is with us."

Abu Sayyaf terrorist group leader, Khadaffy Janjalani, responsible for church bombings and beheadings.



Saudi Arabia

"One of the greatest virtues in Islam is jihad for the sake of God. Ramadan is the month of jihad and battles, and most Muslim battles took place during the blessed month. This is your season, o people of jihad. Jihad during the fasting month of Ramadan has a great taste -- for what better way to break your fast than to kill infidels and relish the sound of the weeping of the despicable tyrants and infidels."

Saudi-based terrorist magazine, al-Jihad



Somalia

"And your brothers of the Mujahideen Movement are on their way, going forth in Jihad against the occupiers and disbelievers so that the word of Allah is the highest and there is no more fitnah on earth and the religion is solely for Allah."

Deadly Somali terrorist group calling itself, Youth Islamic Movement

Spain

"Allah, may he be praised, said… ‘Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they have driven you out; for internal strife [Fitna] is worse than killing.’"

The Qur’anic verse quoted by the Abu Hafs Al-Masri Brigades in explaining the murder of 202 Madrid train commuters



Sudan

"To Fight and Conquer. Death in the name of Allah."

The unit logo of the Janjaweed militia, responsible for “cleansing” Darfur of African people along with the rape of thousands of women.

"Long live the Mujahideen"

Sudanese President, Omar al-Bahir, at a meeting of Janjaweed fighters.

“Jihad is a duty.”

The constitution of the Islamic Republic of Sudan



Syria

“Our hero [the suicide bomber] believed in Allah and died while fighting for Allah”

Islamic Jihad leader, Abu Ayman



Thailand

“….Martyrs, how glorious we will be if we fall as warriors of our land. When Martyrs are killed, they are not dead but alive next to Allah. They will watch and listen to every piece of news to see if their children will follow in their footsteps….”

Berjihad di Pattani, “calls for a holy war to liberate Pattani from ‘colonists’. It is liberal in employing metaphoric references and verses from the Quran. ...a significant and clear articulation of the radical religious dimension of the conflict in south Thailand used within the context of Malay-Muslim resentment of the central government. It engages in Takdir (the labeling of fellow Muslims as infidels) and makes direct calls for Martyrs to attack fellow Muslims perceived to be collaborating with the “occupation”, or the Jahili (people of the ignorance). It views the practice of religious obligations of these “hypocrite” Muslims as a disguise hiding hearts filled with fury and hatred against Islam…”



Turkey

“The Koran says: ‘Fight them until evil disappears and all religion becomes Allah's [religion].' The suicide activists who blow themselves up are carrying out the Koran's commandment.’"

Ali Osman Zor, Great East Islamic Raiders Front terrorist organization



United Kingdom

“Our religion is Islam - obedience to the one true God, Allah, and following the footsteps of the final prophet and messenger Muhammad... This is how our ethical stances are dictated. “

Mohammad Sidique Khan, London subway bomber, explaining his motives on a pre-recorded video tape.



United States

"I did not act out of hatred for Americans, but love for Allah instead. I live only to serve Allah by obeying all of Allah’s commandments, of which I am aware by reading and learning the contents of the Koran.”

Mohammed Reza Taheri-Azar, explaining (in his words) “reasons for premeditating and attempting to murder citizens and residents of the United States of America.” He also quoted 141 verses from the Qur'an.



Uzbekistan

"We have declared a jihad to create a religious government in Uzbekistan”

Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan leader, Tahir Yuldeshev



September 11th Attacks

"We killed them outside their land, praise be to Allah. Today, we kill them in the midst of their own home.

O Allah, revive an entire nation by our deaths. O Allah, I sacrifice myself for your sake, accept me as a martyr. O Allah, I sacrifice myself for your sake, accept me as a martyr. O Allah, I sacrifice myself for your sake, accept me as a martyr.

To the Garden of Eden, our first house. We shall meet in the eternal Paradise with the prophets, honest people, martyrs and righteous people. They are the best of companions. Praise be to Allah. Allah's peace, mercy and blessings be upon you. "

Ahmad al-Haznawi, Flight 93 Hijacker



"Those 19 brothers who left us made efforts and offered their lives for the cause of Allah. Allah has favored them with this conquest, which we are enjoying now"

Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda's Number Two, explaining the motives for the plot.



"Be cheerful, for you have only moments between you and your eternity, after which a happy and satisfying life begins...

"Remember: it is a raid for the sake of Allah. Recite the prayer. As you take the seat, recite the prayer. Mention Allah a lot. When the hijacking begins, "Shout Allah is great because this shout strikes terrors in the hearts of the infidels

"And the moment of death should be accompanied by the basic statement of belief recited by all Muslims at the call to prayer. Seconds before the target, your last words should be, 'there is no god but Allah. Mohammed is his messenger!."

Written instructions to the hijackers.



"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"

Last words from the cockpit of Flight 93.




Cudno kako go premolcuvate ovaa, no vo red e toa samo odi vo prilog na edna teza.....

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Give me your secrets
Bring me a sign
Give me a reason
To walk the fire
See another dawn
Through our son's eyes
You give me a reason
To walk the fire.


Постирано од: Burak
Датум на внесување: 26.Април.2008 во 14:20
да земеме дека работите наместо да се вакви да бидат вакви како што ќе ви ги опишам..
Франција и Англија се земји окупирани од страна на муслиманите и во истите земји во одредени делови на шкотска и северна франција постојат помали групи на темплари, језуити и крсташки фанатици кои пробуваат да го отфрлат муслиманскиот „јарам“ и со сите сили формираат терористичка група наречена „гемиџиите“ на новиот милениум и преземаат терористички акции како кревање на ирачката амбасда или пакистанската амбасада во воздух, ги напагаат своите водачи , кои како марко крале што им служел на отоманите и бил нивен вазал, така и тие во тоа измислено време само облекле одела и му служат на финансиски и воено појакиот .
Светските медиуми предводени во тоа време со центар во Саудиска Арабија и Казахстан повикуваат во оформување на сојуз(нешто како Нато) и наместо северна алијанса ќе се нарекува Јужна светска алијанса во борба против глобалниот христијански тероризам.....



абе цела книга и роман за вакви дневно политички настани ќе ти напишам...,

и точно , муслиманите имаат само Еден Бог и Нему само му се покоруваат, а не на некои измислени државници и великодостојници и незнам што...немешај повеќе баби и жаби..оваа тема е за к*ранот , а не за луѓето кои се нарекуваат муслимани.Исто како не секој убиец христијанин во светот е застапник на христијанството..пример Сталјин, или Хитлер


Постирано од: Burak
Датум на внесување: 26.Април.2008 во 14:25
Спомни го името Божје чедо мое и заблогодари му се на Господа и жртвувај се на патот на вистината, и Спасителот наш спомни го, зошто чедо мое Исус недошол само мир да донесе туку и меч кој што ќе одвои брат од брата и родител од дете, да така е чедо мое..читај ја Библијата


Постирано од: Omer El Faruk
Датум на внесување: 26.Април.2008 во 14:33
Originally posted by Burak Burak напиша:

Спомни го името Божје чедо мое и заблогодари му се на Господа и жртвувај се на патот на вистината, и Спасителот наш спомни го, зошто чедо мое Исус недошол само мир да донесе туку и меч кој што ќе одвои брат од брата и родител од дете, да така е чедо мое..читај ја Библијата


И Солунските Атентатори и Гемиѓиите,а дополнително не е лошо да прочита нешто за Црешовиот Бутин-топче де.

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I LOVE ISLAM


Постирано од: Burak
Датум на внесување: 26.Април.2008 во 14:41
8. Pazete gi
Moite povelbi i izvr{uvajte gi, oti Jas sum Gospod, Koj ve osvetuva.
9. ^ovek, koj go navreduva tatkoto svoj ili
majkata svoja da bide ubien; toj {to go zloslovuva tatkoto svoj ili majkata svoja: vinoven e.
10. Ako nekoj
izvr{i prequba so ma`ena `ena ili so `enata na bli`niot svoj - da bidat ubieni i prequbodeecot i
prequbodejkata.
11. Koj }e legne so `enata na tatkoto svoj, toj ja otkril golotijata na tatka si; obajcata da
bidat ubieni; vinovni se.
12. Ako nekoj legne so snaata svoja, i obajcata da bidat ubieni, tie izvr{ile ne~isto
delo - vinovni se.
13. Ako nekoj legne so ma` kako so `ena, i obajcata izvr{ile gnasno delo: da bidat ubieni,
vinovni se.
14. Ako nekoj se o`eni so }erka ili majkata nejzina, toa e bezzakonie: so ogan da bidat izgoreni i
toj i taa, za da nema bezzakonie me|u vas.
15. A, ako nekoj pristapi kaj nekoe `ivotno, za da se soedini so nego,
ubij go nego i `ivotnoto: tie treba da bidat ubieni - vinovni se.
16. I `ena ako pristapi do `ivotno, da se
soedini so nego, da gi ubiete i `enata i `ivotnoto - da umrat, vinovni se.
17. Ako nekoj ja zeme sestrata svoja,
ili tatkovata }erka, ili majkinata }erka, i ja vidi golotijata nejzina, i taa ja vidi golotijata negova: toa e sram;
da bidat istrebeni od svojot narod: toj ja otkril golotijata na sestrata svoja - zatoa }e go primi grevot svoj vrz
sebe.
18. Ako nekoj legne so `ena koga e ne~ista od izliv na krv, i ja otkrie golotijata nejzina, izlivot na
nejzinata krv, i taa go otkrie izlivot na svojata krv: i obajcata da bidat istrebeni od narodot svoj.
19.
Golotijata od majkinata sestra i golotijata od sestrata na tvojot tatko ne otkrivaj ja, za{to toj otkriva
rodbinska golotija, tie grevot svoj }e go nosat vrz sebe.
20. I ako nekoj legne so rodnina svoja, toj ja otkril
Golotijata na rodot svoj: neka umrat bez deca.
21. Ako nekoj ja zeme bratovata `ena: toa e gnasno delo; toj ja
otkril golotijata na bratot svoj, i obajcata }e umrat bez deca.
22. Zapazete gi site Moi povelbi i site Moi
zapovedi i izvr{uvajte gi - i nema protiv vas da voznegoduva zemjata, vo koja ve vodam da `iveete vo nea.
23.
Ne postapuvajte spored zakonite na neznabo{cite {to }e gi izgonam pred vas; zatoa {to tie seto toa go pravea,
Jas voznegoduvav protiv niv,
24. i vi rekov; vie }e ja nasledite zemjata nivna i vam }e vi ja dadam vo vladenie
zemjata, kade {to te~e med i mleko. Jas sum Gospod, Bog va{, Koj ve oddeli od site narodi.
25. Pravete
razlika me|u ~ist i ne~ist dobitok, i me|u ~ista i ne~ista ptica, i ne gi oskvernuvajte du{ite svoi so dobitok i
so ptica i so ona {to lazi po zemjata, ona {to vi go odvoiv kako ne~isto.
26. ]e mi bidete sveti, zatoa {to sum
Jas, Gospod va{iot Bog, svet, Koj ve oddeliv od site narodi za da bidete Moi.
27. Ma` ili `ena, ako izvikuva
duhovi na mrtvi, da bidat ubieni; so kamewa da gi ubiete, vinovni se."
Ова е Божјиот закон од Библијата нели...па ниеден човек во денешно време нетреба жив да го оставиме нели..па ова со викање духови е интересно,а што да правиме со тие што читаат хороскоп..и тоа е гатање нели?


Постирано од: Burak
Датум на внесување: 26.Април.2008 во 14:51
9. Ako sve{teni~ka }erka se oskverni
so bludstvo, taa go oskvernila tatkoto svoj: so ogan da bide izgorena.
10. A golemiot sve{tenik me|u bra}ata
svoi, vrz ~ija glava e izlean elej za pomazanie, i e sovr{en za da se oblekuva vo ode`di, da ne ja otkriva
glavata svoja i oblekata svoja da ne ja kine;
11. i do nikakov mrtovec da ne prio|a; da ne se oskvernuva so
dopir ni do umreniot tatko svoj i ni do majkata svoja.
12. ^ad od svetili{teto da ne izleguva za da ne go
oskverni osvetenoto od svojot Bog, za{to svetiot elej na Bo`joto pomazanie e vrz nego. Jas sum Gospod.
13. Za
`ena toj treba da zema devica od rodot svoj;
14. ne smee da zema vdovica ili ostavena ili oskverneta ili
bludnica, tuku samo devica od rodot svoj toj treba da zema za `ena.
15. I da ne go oskvernuva svoeto potomstvo
vo narodot svoj: zatoa {to sum Jas Gospod Bog, Koj go osvetuva."

Ова незнам зошто баш пишува за свештениците дека мора да биде девица..а дали може да биде некоја што и е сошиен хименот и после се покајала?? не е валда исто и за денешно време.А што е со тој свештеник што имал слободен живот и врски , односно тој свештенички занает не си го сочувал до крај...може ли тој да бира??

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„Ние Вселената со моќта Своја ја созададовме, а Ние, навистина и ја прошируваме.“к*р’ан,Ez-Zarijat, aјет 47


Постирано од: Burak
Датум на внесување: 26.Април.2008 во 14:55
9. Neka gi pazat zapovedite Moi, za da ne navle~at poradi niv grev vrz sebe i
da ne umrat poradi niv, ako se oskvernat. Jas sum Gospod Bog, Koj gi osvetuva.
10. Nikoj od drug rod da ne jade od
svetite prinosi: koj se naselil kaj sve{tenik, ni naemnikot negov, ne smee da jade od svetite prinosi.
11. Ako
sve{tenikot si kupi ~ovek so pari, toj neka jade od lebovite negovi; isto taka i doma{nite negovi mo`at da
jadat od negovite lebovi.
12. Ako sve{teni~ka }erka se oma`i za ~ovek od drugo pleme, taa ne smee da jade od
prvinite na svetoto,
13. a ako taa ostane vdovica ili bide razvedena, a nema deca, i se vrati vo tatkovata
ku}a, kako {to bila na mladi godini, toga{ taa mo`e da jade od lebovite na tatka si; no nikoj drug rod ne smee
da jade od niv.


„несмее да јаде од првините на светото“..абе ова некој да не допишал нешто овде

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„Ние Вселената со моќта Своја ја созададовме, а Ние, навистина и ја прошируваме.“к*р’ан,Ez-Zarijat, aјет 47


Постирано од: Burak
Датум на внесување: 26.Април.2008 во 15:03
36. A na onie od vas {to }e ostanat, }e im vsadam strav vo
srcata vo zemjata na neprijatelite nivni, pa i {umot od razvean list }e gi progonuva; }e begaat kako od me~, i }e
pa|aat koga i nikoj ne gi goni.
37. I brat brata }e prezira i koga nikoj nema da ve napa|a; ne }e imate sila da im
se protivstavuvate na neprijatelite va{i;
38. }e zaginete me|u narodite, i }e ve progolta zemjata na
neprijatelite va{i;
39. a drugite od vas }e istleat poradi bezzakonijata svoi vo zemjite na neprijatelite
va{i i poradi bezzakonijata na tatkovicite va{i }e is~eznat.
40. Toga{ }e gi ispovedaat bezzakonijata svoi i
bezzakonijata na tatkovcite svoi, zaradi toa {to Me prezrea, prestapija i stanaa protiv Mene;
41. poradi koe
i Jas }e stanam so jarost protiv niv i }e gi pogubam vo zemjata na neprijatelite nivni; toga{ }e se zasrami
nivnoto neobrezano srce, i toga{ }e se setat za grevovite svoi.


Кои се овие „необрежани“ срца ?? ..христијаните прекинаа да се обрежуваат нели?Павле рече да не го прават повеќе тоа..според ова старозаветно предскажување не им се пишува добро на необрежаните срца и души..

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„Ние Вселената со моќта Своја ја созададовме, а Ние, навистина и ја прошируваме.“к*р’ан,Ez-Zarijat, aјет 47


Постирано од: goor
Датум на внесување: 26.Април.2008 во 16:57
lele i toj kriterium li postoi za vleguvanje vo rajot................
samo obrezanite..........

??????????????????????????????


i seto toa e napisano od bog........


a sto so pirsovite..........
ili obetkite.........
ili tetovazite.......

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ili navistin li mislite deka ako postoi toa mesto...nekoj ke se zamara so toa koj e obrezan..........
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citit Burak
.......... togas se zasrami nivnoto neobrezano srce

znaev deka toj organ se zamenuva so nekoi drugi izrazi koi "nie prostite" gi koristime.......kako glava i sto ti znam drugo ama so srce......prv pat slusam...........
muhamed bil genijalec......
аплауз аплауз аплауз аплауз

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Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 26.Април.2008 во 17:04
Burak - ја спамираш темата со работи кои не се во врска со неа! Освен тоа, токму за старозаветните закони пишувавме веќе, токму во истиот контекст. Врати се на тема!



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