Крстоносци и муслимански освојувања...
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Постирано од: Templarius
Наслов: Крстоносци и муслимански освојувања...
Датум на внесување: 23.Февруари.2008 во 00:01
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Mora da se priznae deka ima mnogu fakti koi sto ne odat vo prilog na Evropskite osvojuvanja za vreme na
krstonosnite vojni.No za da dojdeme do nekoja vistina mora da go vidime povodot koj dovel do toa povod koj dovel da zapocnat krstonostnite vojni. Ce se potrudam preku edna vremenska tabela da odgovoram na ovaa prasnje a i tuka uste ce bidat odgovreni nekoi drugi prasanja. Znaci ne mi e cel da gi branam krstonoscite tuku samo na eden naucen nacin da prijdam na taa problemtaki i da objasnam mnogu nedorazbiranja. Za da go rasbereme ovaa treba da se slozime so faktite koi bile aktuelni vo toa vreme sto znaci deka togas vo toa vreme imalo razni faktori koi ne se prisutni denes. Znaci sakam da pokazam sto dovelo sto bilo inicijalna kapsula za lansiranje na krstonosnite vojni, ce koristam istoriski izvori koi za zal se na angliski, no mislam deka toa ne menuva mnogu.Znaci sto dovede do pjava na krstonoscite i kako dojde do toa pa vaka: 630 Two years before Muhammad's death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized. He turned around and went home, but not before extracting 'agreements' from northern tribes. They could enjoy the 'privilege' of living under Islamic 'protection' (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax (jizya). This tax sets the stage for Muhammad's and the later Caliphs' policies. If the attacked city or region did not want to convert to Islam, then they paid a jizya tax. If they converted, then they paid a zakat tax. Either way, money flowed back to the Islamic treasury in Arabia or to the local Muslim governor. 632—634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax. Islam does not allow for religious freedom. 633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al—Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616—17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today's Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034—35). 634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al—Walid. An unnamed Muslim remarks: 'The Romans are so numerous and the Muslims so few.' To this Khalid retorts: 'How few are the Romans, and how many the Muslims! Armies become numerous only with victory and few only with defeat, not by the number of men. By God, I would love it . . . if the enemy were twice as many' (Tabari, 11:94 / 2095). Osama bin Ladin quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This philosophy of death probably comes from a verse like Sura 2:96. Muhammad assesses the Jews: '[Prophet], you are sure to find them [the Jews] clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even polytheists' (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur'an, Oxford UP, 2004; first insertion in brackets is Haleem's; the second mine). 634—644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al—Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal. 635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus 636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk. 637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al—Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636) 638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines. 638—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea. 639—642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt. 641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine. 643—707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa. 644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar. 644—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind. 656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son—in—law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet's daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph. 656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad's wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman's assassination. Ali's partisans win. 657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali 661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali's supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina. 661—680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus 673—678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire 680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad's grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq. 691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad's death. 705 Abd al—Malik restores Umayyad rule. 710—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley. 711—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place. 719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governor 732 The Muslim Crusaders stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance 749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids 756 Foundation of Umayyid amirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids 762 Foundation of Baghdad 785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova 789 Rise of Idrisid amirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed. 800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia 807 Caliph Harun al—Rashid orders the destruction of non—Muslim prayer houses and of the church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem 809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy 813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country 831 Muslim Crusaders capture Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy 850 Caliph al—Matawakkil orders the destruction of non—Muslim houses of prayer 855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria) 837—901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France 869—883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq 909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia 928—969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969) 937 The Ikhshid, a particularly harsh Muslim ruler, writes to Emperor Romanus, boasting of his control over the holy places 937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims; more churches in Jerusalem are attacked 960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam 966 Anti—Christian riots in Jerusalem 969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo c. 970 Seljuks enter conquered Islamic territories from the East 973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids 1003 First persecutions by al—Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed 1009 Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by al—Hakim (see 937) 1012 Beginning of al—Hakim's oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians 1015 Earthquake in Palestine; the dome of the Dome of the Rock collapses 1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus 1048 Reconstruction of the Church of the Resurrection completed 1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (aka Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law. 1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate 1055 Confiscation of property of Church of the Resurrection 1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia 1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine 1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders) 1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia 1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana 1085 Toledo is taken back by Christian armies 1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca 1090—1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands 1094 Byzantine emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help against Seljuk invasions of his territory; Seljuks are Muslim Turkish family of eastern origins; see 970 1095 Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099 Jas nema da donesam zaklucok ostavam na vas da go donesete dali krstonosnite vojni bile opravdani?? Deka bile inicirani od obesta na Zapadot se gleda deka ne se ?? Deka se odogovr na nasilstvo so nasilstvo ???? Sto mislite vie???? ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
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Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 23.Февруари.2008 во 00:02
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I uste ednas ce navedam ovaa ne e tema so koja opravduvam Krstonosci ovaa e tema koja se zanimava so prasanjeto sto dovelo do krstonosnite vojni... ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 23.Февруари.2008 во 04:11
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Interesen post i so ogled na toa shto temata e chuvstvitelna, bi gi zamolil site da bidat umereni vo svoite iskazi i da se vozdrzhat od lichni napadi, a da se zadrzhat na temata.
Uspeav da gi proveram povekjeto od podatocite koi gi naveduvash i spored literaturata shto e dostapna, se tochni. Sosema naskoro imavme tema za arapskite osvojuvanja, no ovde mnogu pokonkretno davash podatoci i sluchuvanja. Dali nekoj od muslimanite, shto dobro go razbira nivniot zakon, mozhe da gi objasni osvojuvanjata koi se sluchuvale, a koi sosema e jasno deka ne se opravdani kako takvi od strana na k*ranot...? Ova e vo kontekst na temata, zatoa shto odgovorot na toa prashanje vodi do temata - zoshto pochnuvaat i krstonosnite vojni. |
Постирано од: Omer El Faruk
Датум на внесување: 23.Февруари.2008 во 06:35
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Tipicno za eden krstonosec,da mu pripise na Islamot nesto sto ne mu dolikuva.
OD DANA, kada je rimski car lavovima bacao hrišćane kao hranu, do danas, odnosi careva i crkvenih poglavara doživjeli su brojne transformacije. Konstantin Veliki, koji je 306. godine – znači tačno prije 1700 godina – postao car, proglasio je kršćanstvo državnom vjerom svoga carstva. Nekoliko stoljeća kasnije crkva se podjelila u zapadni (katolički) i istočni (pravoslavni) dio. Na Zapadu je rimski biskup sebe proglasio papom i zahtjevao je od cara da mu se pokori. U evropskoj historiji je borba između cara i pape igrala centralnu ulogu i dijelila je narode. Pobjeda i poraza bilo je na obje strane. Nekad bi car protjerao papu. Nekada bi pape protjervali i ekskomunicirali careve. Jedan car, Henry IV, je „došao do Canosse" i stajao je tri dana bos pred papinim zamkom, dok se ovaj nije udostojio da ukine ekskomunikaciju. Ali bilo je i vremena kada su carevi i pape živjeli u miru. Danas smo svjedoci takvog jednog vremena. Između trenutnog pape Benedikta XVI. i trenutnog cara Georga Busha II postoji izvanredan sklad. Govor kojeg je papa prije sedmicu dana održao, i koji je izazvao burne reakcije, uklapa se u Bushov križarski pohod protiv ‚islamo-fašizma'. U SVOME govore na jednom njemačkom univerzitetu, 265. papa je opisao veliku razliku između islama i kršćanstva: dok kršćanstvo počiva na racionalnosti, dotle ga islam negira. Dok kršćani prepoznavaju logiku u božijim postupcima, dotle muslimani negiraju bilo kakvu logiku u Njegovim činovima. Kao jevrejski ateista nije mi namjera da se upustim u ovu diskusiju. Leži van moje skromne mogućnosti da razumijem papinu logiku. Ali preko jednog odlomka ne mogu preći, koji se i mene tiče, kao Izraelćanina koji živi u neposrednoj blizini navodne linije razgraničenja „sukoba civilizacija. Iz razloga manjkavosti racionalizma u islamu, Muhammed je (po papi) naredio svojim podanicima da prošire vjeru sa mačem. Po papi je ovo protiv zdravog razuma jer vjera dolazi iz duše i nema veze sa tijelom. Kako onda da mač utječe na dušu? Da bi ovo pojasnio papa citira riječi jednog vizantijskog cara koji pripada konk*rirajućoj istočnoj crkvi. Koncem 14. stoljeća car Manuel II govori o jednoj diskusiji koju je vodio sa jednim neimenovanim perzijskim islamskim učenjakom. U zanosu verbalne borbe car svome oponentu kaže ovo: „Pokaži mi šta je Muhammed novo donjeo i naći ćeš samo loše i nehumano, kao to da je naredio da se vjera koju propovjeda proširi mačem." Ove riječi za sobom vuku tri pitanja: a) zbog čega ih je car izgovorio? b) da li je to istina? c) zbog čega je trenutni papa citirao te riječi? KADA JE Manuel II ovo pisao bio je na čelu jedne države koja je bila u padu. Na vlast je došao 1391. godine, kada je nekada moćnom carstvu ostalo samo još nekoliko pokrajina, kojima je prijetila turska opasnost. Turci su tada stigi već do obala Dunava. Osvojili su Bugarsku i sjever Grčke i dva puta su pobjedili evropske vojske, koje su trebale da u pomoć priteknu istočnom carstvu. 1453., samo nekoliko godina nakon Manuelove smrti, Turci su osvojili njegov glavni grad Konstantinopolj – današnji Istanbul – i carstvu, koje je trajalo više od hiljadu godina, su priredili kraj. Za vrijeme svoje vladavine Manuel II je posjetio glavne gradove Evrope i tamo je pokušao da dobije podršku. Obećao je da će ponovo ujediniti crkvu. Bez sumnje je napisao spise protiv muslimana, „osovini zla", da bi na noge podigao kršćane i da ih motiviše za novi križarski rat. Cilj je bio jasan, teologija je bila podređena politici. U ovom svjetlu papin citat se uklapa u zahtjeve trenutnog cara Georga Busha. I on bi da ujedini kršćanski svijet protiv islama, „osovine zla". Pored toga Turci kucaju na vrata Europe, ali ovaj put na miran način. Opštepoznata činjenica je da papa podržava snage koje se protiv ulasku Turske u EU. IMA LI istine u Manuelovim izjavama? Sam je papa upozorio na opreznost. Kao ozbiljan i poznat teolog ne može sebi dopustiti da falsifikuje tekstove. Zbog toga je priznao da k*ran zabranjuje proširenje vjere silom. Citirao je drugu suru, 256 ajet, koji glasi: „Nema prisile u vjeru". Kako se tako jedan jednostavan i nedvosmislen postulat može ignorisati? Papa tvrdi da je ova zapovjed važila na početku poslanikove misije, kada je bio slab i bez moći. Ali kasnije je naredio primjenu sile u službi vjere. Takva naredba ne stoji nigdje u k*ranu. Muhammed je pozivao na mač protiv neprijateljskih – kršćanskih, jevrejskih i drugih – plemena, kada je gradio svoju državu. Ali to je bio politički a ne vjeski čin; radilo se o teritoriji – a ne o proširenju vjere. Isus je rekao: "prepoznaćete ih po njihovim plodovima". Kako se islam ophodio prema drugim vjerama može se vidjeti na osnovu jednostavnog testa: kako su se muslimanski vladari ponašali više od hiljadu godina kada su imali moć da "šire vjeru mačem"? Upravo to nisu radili. Muslimani su Grčkom vladali više stoljeća. Da li su Grci postali muslimani? Da li je iko pokušao da ih islamizira? Na protiv. Grčki kršćani su obnašali najviša pozicije unutar osmanske vlade. Bugari, Srbi, Rumuni, Mađari i druge evropske nacije su živjeli pod osmanskom vladavinom pa su opet ostali vjerni svojoj krš+anskoj vjeri. Niko ih nije tjerao da prihvate islam. Albanci su, doduše, kao i Bošnjaci, prešli na islam. Ali niko ne tvrdi da se ovo desilo pod prisilom. Prešli su na islam da bi od vlade dobili povlastice i uživali u plodovima. 1099. godine križari osvajaju Jerusalim. U ime blagog Isusa masakrirali su muslimanske i jevrejske stanovnike grada. U to vrijeme – 400 godina nakon što su muslimani preuzeli vlast – kršćani su bili većina u Palestini. Za vrijeme ove duge periode nisu poduzeti nikakvi koraci da im se nametne "vjera Muhammedova". Tek nakon protjerivanja križara iz zemlje, stanovnici su počeli prelaziti na islam – oni su preci većine današnjih Palestinaca. Također ne postoje dokazi za pokušaje da se Jevrejima nametne islam. Kao što je opće poznato, Jevreji Španije su za vrijeme islamske vladavine doživjeli procvat, kojeg nikada do danas nisu imali. Pjesnici kao Yehuda Halevi pisali su na arapskom kao i veliki Maimonides. U muslimanskoj Španiji Jevreji su bili ministri, pjesnici, naučnici. U muslimanskom Toledu kršćanski, muslimanski i jevrejski učenjaci su radili zajedno i preveodili su radove antičkih filozofa i naučnika. To je bilo uistinu zlatno doba. Kako da je to bilo moguće, ako je Poslanik naredio „proširivanje vjere sa mačem"? Ali šta se onda desilo je još važnije. Kada su katolici otrgli Španiju od muslimana ustanovili su vladavinu vjerskog terora. Jevreji i muslimani su stavljeni pred stravični izbor; ili će preći na kršćanstvo, ili biti masakrirani ili protjerani iz zemlje. I kuda je pobjeglo stotine hiljada jevreja koji nisu htjeli promjeniti svoju vjeru? Skoro svi su raširenih ruku bili primljeni u muslimanske zemlje. Sefardski 'španski' jevreji su se naselili u čitavom islamskom svijetu od Maroka na zapadu do Iraka na istoku. Od Bugarske (koja je bila dio osmanskog carstva) na sjeveru do Sudana na jugu. Nigdje nisu bili proganjani. Muslimani nisu ustanovili torture inkvizicije, plamene spaljivanja heretika, pogrome, strašna masovna protjerivanja, koja su se dešavala u svim kršćanskim zemljama – pa do holokausta. Zašto? Zato jer je Muhammed izričito zabranio proganjanje "pripadnika knjige". U islamskom društvu je za jevreje i kršćane bilo rezervisano posebno mjesto. Nisu doduše imali identično ista prava kao i muslimani ali su bili samo neznatno lošijeg položaja. Morali su plaćati poseban porez, ali su zbog toga bili oslobođeni služenja vojske – zakon koji je jevrejima odgovarao. Prenosi se da su muslimanske vođe sa negodovanjem gledali na pokušaje konvertiranja jevreja u islam – to je značilo manjak poreza. Svaki iskren jevrej, koji poznaje historiju svoga naroda, islamu može biti samo zahvalan. Islam je štitio jevreje 50 generacija, dok ih je kršćanski svijet proganjao i nebrojeno mnogo pokušao da ih „sa mačem" odvrati od njihove vjere. PRIČA o „širenju vjere mačem" je podla legenda – jedan od mitova dugih ratova protiv muslimana – rekonkviste Španije, križarskih ratova, odbrane od Turaka koji su umalo zauzeli Beč. Mišljenja sam da i sam papa vjeruje u ovu legendu. To bi značilo da poglavar katoličke crkve – i sam poznati teolog – se nije potrudio da se informiše o historiji drugih vjera. Zbog čega je izgovorio ove riječi i zbog čega baš sada? One se mogu posmatrati samo sa pozadinom novog križarskog rata započetog od strane Busha i njegovih kršćansko-fundamentalističkih pomagača kao i njegovih slogana o ‚islamofašizmu' i ‚globalnom ratu protiv terorizma' – nakon što je terorizam postao sinonim za muslimane. Za Busheve istomišljenike ovo je jedan cinični pokušaj da se opravda žednja za naftnim rezervama svijeta. Ne bi bilo prvi put u toku historije da se goli ekonomski interesi zaodjenu vjerskim mantilom. Ne bi bilo prvi put da jedan ‚pljačkaški pohod' postane ‚križarski pohod'. Papin govor se uklapa u ova nastojanja. I niko ne može predvidjeti moguće kobne posljedice. |
Постирано од: Omer El Faruk
Датум на внесување: 23.Февруари.2008 во 06:38
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KRIZARSKI RATOVI-
Prvi križarski pohod, koji je poèeo prije skoro 1000 godina završio se pokoljom u Jerusalimu. Kršæanski osvajaèi iz zapadne Evrope su poklali na hiljade muslimana u ime Isusa, koji je propovjedao ljubi bližnjeg svoga. Strahote u znaku križa predstavljaju, prema libanonskom piscu Amin Maaloufu, "još i danas skrnavljenje i sramotu". Kako je bilo moguæe kod ljudi probuditi toliki nagon za ubistvom i razaranjem? Kako je bilo moguæe u isto vrijeme od ljudi napraviti hodoèasnike i ratnike? Hodoèašæe sa oružjem je potreslo mediteranski svijet. Ono je bilo pripremljeno od strane pape 1095 godine, koji je iz Rima stigao do Francuske. Papa Urban II, Francuz, veæ sedam godina papa, mobilisao je katolike. U pratnji biskupa i konjanika išao je od grada do grada od crkve do crkve. Molio se, pjevao i propovjedao. Da bi podkuhao emocije izabirao je svako mjesto, svaki datum sa velikom pažnjom. Taèno na dan Marijinog Uspeæa stigao je u Le Puy, koji je bio najpoznatije mjesto gdje se je hodoèastilo Mariji. Na dan 'svetog' Gillesa, posjetio je samostan jugozapadno od Avignona i tu je sveèano otkrio novi oltar. Bila je to dramatièna, savršeno inscenirana demonstracija papinske moæi. Vrhunac pompeznog putovanja je bio koncil u Clermontu. Tamo je papa htio da drži veliki govor. Katolici okcidenta su osjeæali da im predstoji jedan važan i neobièni dogaðaj. Da li je dolazila nova epoha? Ili èak kraj svijeta? Na kraju 11. stoljeæa, osjeæala se je jedna "duboka èežnja ka proèišæenju i spasu duše", kako piše historièar Gerd Mentgen. Papa Urban II je bio ubjeðen da crkva mora da vodi jednu novu borbu - borbu kolosalnih dimenzija. Ta borba je u jednom redu važila unutrašnjem neprijatelju. Hiljadu godina po smrti Isusa crkva je djelovala kao da je u kandžama sotone. Popovi su imali priležnice, i ubirali su debele dadžbine za krštenje i pokopavanja. Kraljevi su za klerus imenovali one ljude koji su im bili pogodni. Ovo više nije bila crkva Gospoda, nego Mammona i strasti, govorili su kritièari. Iz samostana se je èuo sve glasniji zahtjev da se katolici povrate èistini izvorne crkve. Strategija Urbana II je bila usmjerena i protiv jednog vanjskog neprijatelja. Nakon što je Muhammed ( saws ) 632. godine umro, njegovi sljedbenici su proširili islamsko carstvo do pred južnu Evropu. Zar nije došlo vrijeme da se izvorno kršæansko tlo oduzme od "pagana i idolopoklonika"? Prema crkvenom teoretièaru Augustinu, crkva i kralj imaju moralno pravo da koriste nasilje. "Oni koji po božjem nadahnuæu vode ratove, ne rade ni u kojem sluèaju protiv zapovijesti 'ne smiješ ubijati", napisao je Augustin u svome dijelu "Božja država". Papa je tražio izlaz. Jedan 'sveti rat', bi trebao da razbije 'bezbožnike'. Pred kapijama Clermonta sakupilo se je oko 300 biskupa, opata kao i hiljade katolika da èuju željno oèekivani govor. Urban II ih je usmjerio ka jednom djelu koje æe elektrisati èitavo kršæanstvo: osvajanje Svetog Grada, Svetih Mjesta i Svete Zemlje. Velika je sramota, vikao je papa da se "sveti grob našeg Spasioca, nalazi u rukama prljavog naroda, koji ta mjesta bestidno i na bogohulan naèin prlja svojom neèistoæom." Ovako ga citira hronist, Robert von Reims, jedan monah koji je kasnije rekonstruisao dogaðaje. Da bi krv slušalaca doveo do taèke kuhanja, papa je opisivao orgije nasilja sa kojima su muslimani oskrnavili to mjesto: "Oni obrezuju kršæane i njihovu krv prosipaju na oltare. Uživaju ubijajuæi druge, na naèin da im paraju trbuhe i da im crijeva vežu oko kolaca. Onda ih bièuju i ovi moraju trèati oko kolca dok ne padnu mrtvi." Stvarnost je bila da su kršæani koji su živjeli pod muslimanskom vlašæu imali vjerske slobode. Urban II je išao još dalje. Svakome ko bi se borio za osloboðenje Svete Zemlje, obeæavao je neposredno opraštanje grijeha. "Ko je do malo èas bio lopov, neka postane Isusov ratnik; ko se je prije borio protiv braæe i porodice, neka se od sada bori protiv barbara." Ovako nam prenosi Fulcher von Chartes, jedan drugi hronista. Rulja je odgovorila sa poklièom: "Deus vult! - Bog tako hoæe" Odaziv je bio onakav kakvog ga je papa priželjkivao. Nakon povratka sa koncila, biskupi su pozivali na pohode prema Svetoj Zemlji. Pohod je poèeo u augustu 1096 godine. Vitezovi bi se zavjetovali, napuštali bi svoje zamke i prodavali bi posjede da bi mogli finansirati put svoga života. Od sada papa nije bio samo duhovni voða nego je imao zapovjest nad jednom ogromnom vojskom. Ratnike je ujedinjavao simbol, koji je bio vidjlivo prišiven na njihovu odjeæu - križ. Papa je pokrenuo lavinu koju nije mogao više da kontroliše. Zapadnom Evropom su hodali samozvani vodièi križarskih ratova koji su podsticali siromašne da na ovaj naèin pobjegnu od svoje bijede. "Želja da se sljedi Isus je imala veliki uticaj na brojnost tog pokreta", piše historièar Nikolas Jaspert. Na sjeveru Francuske, iz pokrajina današnje Belgije i sjeverozapadne Njemaèke, ljudi su se skupljali oko ovih agitatora. Jedan izvjesni Walter "sans avoir" na bos. 'siromašni', stajao je na èelu takve jedne rulje. Peter von Amiens, zvani 'pustinjak' jedan neèisti hodajuæi propovjedaè, koji nije jeo niti hljeba niti mesa, koji je uvjek hodao bosonog i koji je po uzora na Isusa jahao magarca, sakupio je najveæu gomilu ovog pohoda. Iza njega je stalo 20.000 ljudi. Svoje maèeve su sami napravili od drveta. I prije nego su iskusni vitezovi uopšte krenuli, ova gomila je stigla do Balkana. Veæina ih je išla pješke i nisu imali pojma koliko je dug put pred njima. Hronist Guibert von Nogent piše: "siromasi su potkovali svoje volove kao konje upreli su ih u kola na kojima bi se nalazile rezerve, i kada bi djeca ugledala kakav grad ili zamak pitali bi da li je to Jerusalim u koji idu." Nakon što su im se zalihe potrošile poèeli su da kradu i pljaèkaju. Vizantski car Alexios je sa èuðenjem primio vijest da se ovi èudaci sa zapada približavaju. Njemu su doduše Seldžuci oduzeli skoro cijelu Malu Aziju - ali on se nije nadao ovakvoj kršæanskoj pomoæi koju je zatražio u martu 1095. godine na koncilu u Piacenzi. On je tražio vojnike a ne križare i borba u ime Boga je Alexiosu bila nepoznata. Carigrad, u to vrijeme najbogatiji grad kršæanskog svijeta, je sebe smatrao kao istinskog nosica helenistièkog nasljeða. Šta æe sa ovim barbarima, koji nisu imali pojma o borbi? Odluèio je da ih preko Bospora pošalje Seldžucima, koji su kod Nikeje ove neiskusne 'ratnike' potpuno uništili. Uskoro za tim pristizale su disciplinovane kršæanske snage. Do maja 1097., u više valova, u Carigrad je pristiglo izmeðu 30.000 i 70.000 naoružanih ratnika, uz to i 30.000 èlanova njihovih porodica. Bohemund, jedan od najiskusnijih voða je obeæao Alexiosu da æe sve osloboðene zemlje vratiti pod vizantijsko okrilje. I prilikom ovog drugog vala križara, bilo je teških gubitaka na kršæanskoj strani. Za vrijeme vruæeg ljeta, išli su muškarci, žene i djeca kroz polupustinju Anatolije. "Pred oèima ljudi žene su se poraðale i ostavljale su svoju djecu ležeæi na zemlji," pisao je Albert von Aachen. Nakon što su poèele jesenjske kiše muèili su se kroz blatnjave puteve Antitaurusa. "Situacija je bila tragikomièna," piše Fulcher od Chartresa. "Natovarili su ovce, jarce, svinje i pse sa svojom robom. Vidjeli smo kako se leða malih životinja savijaju." Hiljade križara je na ovaj naèin izgubilo živote. Preživjeli su išli dalje. San o Jerusalimu im je podarivao skoro nadljudske snage. U okotbru 1097. kada su se približavali Antiohiji, koja je bila u turskim rukama - pop Stephan od Valence, je izjavio da mu se je Isus lièno pojavio u snu i da mu je obeæao božju pomoæ. U borbama koje su trajale sedam mjeseci, kršæani su bili ubjeðeni da su viðali poginule saborce i božje konjanike kako se bore na njihovoj strani. U junu 1098. uzeli su grad sa svojih 400 kula. Kada su turski konjanici došli da povrate grad, navodno je Petar Bartolomejski opet imao viziju - 'sveti' Andrej mu je pokazao gdje se nalazi 'sveto koplje', kojim su 'raskriženom' Isusu otvorena vrata. I uistinu su ispod petrove crkve u Antiohiji iskopali nekakvo koplje. Da ovo nije opet bio nekakav nebeski znak? U naletu oduševljenja, okruženi kršæani su probili tursku opsadu, i na kraju izvojevali pobjedu. Skoro tri godine su križari veæ bili na putu. Bili su iznemogli, ali su se osjeæali jaèim nego ikada. 1099. su se približavali Jerusalimu. Šiijske Fatimidije koje su tada vladale, poèeli su sa pregovorima da odvrate katastrofu koja se je bližila. "Franci", kako arapski hronièari nazivaju rulju iz Evrope, su odbili pregovore. Oni nisu bili došli da pregovaraju. Bez nekog velikog otpora su ušli u grad Ramallah u Palestini. Poèetkom juna 1099. godina stajali su pred zidinama Jerusalima, njih svega 20.000. "Nalazili su se u ekstazi," kaže historièar Peter Thorau. Fatimidski vezir grada, Iftihar al-Daula je odstranio kršæane iz Jerusalima jer se je boajo izdaje. Poslao je glasnike za Egipat da pozovu pomoæ. Pet sedmica su muslimani odoljevali opsadi. A onda su došli dani koji su bili pakao za sve ne-kršæane. U luku Jaffa pristgli su engleski i genovski brodovi, koji su nosili graðevinski materijali i ljestve. Kamile i zarobljenici su nosili materijal preko 70km dugog puta. Opet je jedan od klerusa imao presudnu viziju: njemu je navodno usput došao umrli biskup Le Puy, koji je bio duhovni voða križara. Ovaj je opomenuo da vojnici moraju moliti za oproštenje grijeha. Križari su tri puta obilazili zidine grada, bosi sa križevima i relikvijama, mašuæi zastavama. Trompete su se èule. A onda u noæi 14. Jula 1099. su napali. Jedan dio vojske pod komandom Raimunda je uspio da se približi kuli u blizini brda Cion. Vojnici grafa Gottfrieda su zauzeli kule u blizini sjevernih zidina. Litold i Gilbert od Tournaia, dvojica flamaèkih vitezova, su sa svojim jedinicama ušli u grad. Još prije podneva vezir je kapitulirao i predao je grad zajedno sa velikim iznosom zlata Raimundu. Kao protuuslugu mogao je da se povuèe iz grada. Šta je nakon toga usljedilo bilo je neobazrivo ubijanje. Sve, što se je tri godine dana skupljalo u mraènim komorama križarskih duša, izašlo je kao bujica na vidjelo. Osvajaèi su išli od kuæe do kuæe i ubijali bi svakog stanovnika kojeg su našli unutra, oduzimajuæi zlato i srebro. Sa svakom žrtvom krvoloènost križara je rasla. Zapalili su glavnu sinagogu, gdje su se bili Židovi sakrili. Zauzeli su Al-Aqsa džamiju i u njoj su izmasakrirali hiljade muslimana. "Nisu samo izmasakrirani leševi bili zastrašujuæi," piše hronist Wilhelm od Tyrusa. "Najveæu jezu prouzrokovao je pogled na križare, koji su bili uprskani krvlju od glave do pete."Ulaskom u grad ( Jerusalem, 15.07.1099 ) naši hodoèasnici su proganjali i ubijali muslimane sve do Solomonova hrama, gdje su se ovi okupili. Tamo su nam pružili žestok otpor tokom èitavog dana, tako da je njihova krv tekla po èitavom hramu. Kada smo napokon savladali bezbožnike, naši plemiæi su zarobili veliki broj ljudi i žena i ubili su koga su htjeli a poštedili koga su htjeli... Onda su poèeli da se raduju i plaèu od krajnje uzhiæenosti, nakon èega su naši ljudi otišli na grob našeg spasitelja Isusa i tamo dovršili svoje molitve... Takoðer su naredili da svi mrtvi muslimani se moraju izbaciti iz grada zbog njihovog smrada, jer je grad bio pun njihovih leševa. Preživjeli muslimani su vukli mrtve iza kapija grada i nasl*gali su ih jednog na druge, kao zgrade. Niko nikada prije nije èuo ni vidio takav pokolj bezbožnika. Oni su spaljeni na lomaèi koja je bila granica, i niko osim Boga ne zna njihov broj" Džamije su pretvorene u crkve ili u objekte svjetovnih potreba. U crkvi Isusovoj je zabranjena bogoslovija po vizantijskom ritusu. Gottfried od Bouillona je dobio poèasno ime "branioc svetog groba". Tri sedmice nakon masakra, pomoæ iz Egipta je pristigla, ali su ih 'Franci' kod Askalona pobijedili. Jerusalim je bio u kršæanskim rukama. Veæina njih su se poèeli vraæati kuæama, èvrsto ubijeðeni da su zaradili vjeèni život u raju. 300 vitezova i 2000 vojnika su ostali da èuvaju grad. Iste godine je osnovan pokret "Johanitaraca", 1120. godine 'Templerorden", 1190. godine "njemaèki pokret". Oni su se smatrali kao božji ratnici, štitili su hodoèasnike i gradili su zamke. Malo po malo, oni su proširili svoje posjede na istok. Pored Jerusalima do 1109. godine su osnovane još tri križarske države: kneževina Antiohija, grofovina Edessa i grofovina Tripolis*. 1 Više nije bilo govora o povratku zemlje Vizantiji. "Da se je prvi križarski pohod završio bezuspješno, èitav pokret bi bio ugušen u samim poèecima," piše Jonathan Riley-Smitj, jedan od vodeæih nauènika na ovom polju. "U svijetlu zauzimanja Jerusalima svaka kritika je bila besmislena i križarska pobjeda od 1099. godine je imala dalekosežne posljedice." I 200 godina nakon toga ljudi su se spremali na Bliski Istok, voðeni nadom za slavom i osloboðenju od grijeha. Ukupno je bilo sedam križarskih ratova, koji su trebali da pojaèaju zaštitu kršæanskih posjeda, na koje su muslimani napadali. Borbe za Jerusalimom i Svetom Zemljom kršæana nisu prestajale. Križarski ratovi, kako piše engleski historièar, Simon Lloyd, su "pokazali da svi Evropljani imaju isti identitet." U tim bitkama on vidi "jedan sveopšti ideološki rat" i dolazi do zakljuèka da "mržnja prema stranom, koja je do tada bila relativno latentna u okcidentalnoj kulturi, se je dramatièno pojaèala." Ishod je bio jedan duboki jaz izmeðu zapadnih Evropljana i ostalog èovjeèanstva." U muslimanskim zemljama križarski ratovi su izazvali protureakciju - džihad protiv agresora koji je porobio muslimanske zemlje je postao zajednièki zadatak svih muslimana,. Sultan Saladin, k*rd iz Iraka, je 1187. istjerao križare iz Jerusalima, Egipatski Mamluci, elita bivših ratnih zarobljenika, su nakon dolaska na vlast 1250. godine postepeno vraæali teritorije pod islamsku vlast; 1291. je zadnji kršæanski vladar protjeran sa Bliskog Istoka. Masakar kojeg su poèinili križari prvog pohoda se je urezao duboko u zajednièku svijest muslimana sa posljedicama koje su do danas vidljive. |
Постирано од: Omer El Faruk
Датум на внесување: 23.Февруари.2008 во 06:41
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A River of Blood
And Yield They Did. In 1122 Christian crusaders swept over Jerusalem and slaughtered men, women and children, 'until their horses were knee deep in blood. We then went to the church to thank the Lord for his mercy.' In 777 , Charlemagne, a devout Christian, after conquering the Saxon rebels, gave them a choice between baptism and execution. When they refused to convert, he had 4500 of them beheaded in one morning. In the fourth century, Emporor Constantine, the first Roman Emperor to become a Christian, had over 3000 Christians executed because their interpretation of the Bible did not agree with his. That is more than the number of Christians who died at the hands of the Romans during the well known 1st century "Christians to the lions" persecutions. The above are from William Manchester's "A World Lit Only by Fire- The Medieval Mind and The Renaissance"..Little, Brown & Company, 1992 Queen Isabella, famous for sending Columbus to the New World in 1492, was well known also for her 'Spanish Inquisition', the gruesome torture and murder of tens of thousands of Spanish Jews, Muslims, homosexuals, people who read or wrote, uppity women, and anyone else not up to the Queen's strict standards. Isabella was a champion of the faith, piously congratulating herself as her victims writhed to their deaths in the flames and the many other ingenious methods of torture invented by her inquisitors. 
Of course, the presence of torture did not always mean the presence of the Christian Church, and vice-versa. History is spotty; key things are left out or included inordinately - we don't always know. The church was active in many places with no record of the Inquisition in the same area; and in other cases the two went hand in hand. In the 12th and 13th centuries, the Inquisition was born, with Christians killing Christians, during what was known as the Albigensian heresies. Hundreds of thousands of people died because their Christianity did not agree with official dogma. This adds to the irony of murder in the name of Christ, when the majority of victims of the early inquisitions were themselves Christians. English Catholics suffered horribly under Protestant regimes. American historian William T. Walsh writes: "In Britain, 30,000 went to the stake for witchcraft; in Protestant Germany, the figure was 100,000" (, p. 275). In Scotland, too, alleged witches were cruelly put to death. Karl Keating quotes from the : "It is well-known that belief in the justice of punishing heresy with death was so common among the 16th-century Reformers-Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, and their adherents-that we may say their toleration began where their power ended" (C.E., s.v., "Inquisition," 8:35). From an article exonerating (to some extent) the Catholics, Here. Historical quibbling aside, one sees the general trend. 1000 year old oak trees that had been sacred to the pagans were hacked down and replaced with cathedrals. The altar was often built on the stump of the tree; some altars are built over boulders or embedded stones that were ancient Pagan ritual sites. As Christianity took over Europe, attempts to supress Pagan holy day celebrations met fierce resistance. Their solution was to absorb these holidays, purloin them, and make them into Christian holidays. |
Постирано од: Omer El Faruk
Датум на внесување: 23.Февруари.2008 во 06:48
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Sasvim pouzdano se
možemo reæi da je islamska politièka doktrina (odnosno islamski stav i principi u kontekstu politièkih pitanja) krajnje umjerena i miroljubiva. Ova èinjenicu prihvataju i mnogi historièari i teolozi nemuslimani. Jedna od ovih osoba jeste i bivša monahinja i struènjak za bliskoistoènu historiju engleska historièarka Karen Armstrong. U djelu Holy War (Sveti rat), u kojem analizira historiju tri velike Božije vjere, Armstrong iznosi slijedeæi komentar o ovom pitanju: “Rijeè islam u arapskom jeziku potjeèe od istog korijena kao i rijeè mir, a k*r'an proklinje rat kao jedno anormalno stanje koje je opreèno Božijoj želji. (...) Islam ne odobrava agresorski rat, odnosno rat koji je usmjeren ka uništenju suprotne strane. (...) Islam prihvata da je rat neophodan i, u odreðenim situacijama, smatra ga kao pozitivnu dužnost radi suzbijanja tiranije i surovosti. (Meðutim), k*r'an pouèava da rat treba biti ogranièen i da se, što je moguæe više, vodi na jedan human naèin. Ne samo protiv Mekelija, èineæi savez s lokalnim jevrejskim plemenima, Muhammed je, u isto vrijeme, bio prisiljen boriti se i protiv kršæanskih plemena u Siriji koja su planirala napad na njih. Meðutim, to opet nije rezultiralo zakljuèkom da je on prokleo "Ehlu-kitab" (kršæane i jevreje). Njegovi muslimani bili su u situaciji da se brane, meðutim nisu se upuštali u sveti rat protiv neprijatelja njihove vjere. Kada je kao komandanta muslimanske vojske u rat protiv kršæana poslao Zubejda, svoga slugu koga je oslobodio, Muhammed mu je naredio da se na Božijem putu bore hrabro, ali na jedan ljudski, human naèin. Naredio mu je da ne smiju uzmeniravati sveæenike, kaluðere ili monahinje i da ne smiju dirati nejake koji ne ratuju. Nikakvo krvoproliæe ne smije se s provoditi nad civilima, ne smije se posjeæi èak ni jedno jedino drvo i ništa se ne smije rušiti...”1 Halife, koji su došli nakon Muhammeda, a. s., u osvojenim zemljama uspostav- 6 ogledalo, oktobar 2004 Rijeè islam u arapskom jeziku potjeèe od istog korijena kao i rijeè mir, a k*r'an proklinje rat kao jedno anormalno stanje koje je opreèno Božijoj želji. (...) Islam ne odobrava agresorski rat, odnosno rat koji je usmjeren ka uništenju suprotne strane. (...) Islam prihvata da je rat neophodan i, u odreðenim situacijama, smatra ga kao pozitivnu dužnost radi suzbijanja tiranije i surovosti ljali su takoðer atmosferu mira i sigurnosti kako za lokalno stanovništvo tako i za novopridošle. Prvi halifa hazreti Ebu Bekr je prilikom pohoda na Siriju izdao jednu direktivu. Milosrdan i tolerantan poredak koji je tražio da se uspostavi na osvojenim teritorijama predstavljao je uzoran primjer k*r'anskog morala. Ta direktiva glasi: “Ljudi, dajem vam deset pravila koja æete srcem primjenjivati: nemojte izdati i ne skreæite s Pravog puta!; ne ubijajte djecu, žene i starce!; ne palite i ne uništavajte stabla hurme i ne sijecite stabla bilo kojeg voæa!; ne ubijajte deve, a ni bilo šta iz stada..! Naiæi æete na one koji su svoj život posvetili onosvjetskim poslovima: ostavite ih u njihovim osamljenostima! Susrest æete se s onima koji nude razlièita jela; jedite, ali ne zaboravite spomenuti Allahovo ime!”2 A hazreti Omer, koji je preuzeo hilafet nakon hazreti Ebu Bekra i koji je poznat po toleranciji, milosrðu i pravdi, s lokalnim stanovništvom osvojenih država naèinio je razlièite sporazume koji predstavljaju primjere pravednosti i tolerancije. U Emannami (Dokument o sigurnosti), koju je dao kršæanima Jerusalema i Ludda, hazreti Omer je, npr., dao garancije da se neæe rušiti crkve i da se muslimani neæe moliti u njima. Iste su bile i garancije ponuðene kršæanima Lahma. Emannama data drugom nasturijanskom patriku Išuayhebu (650.-660.) nakon osvajanja Medine takoðer je sadržavala garancije da se crkve neæe rušiti, da se nijedna zgrada neæe rekonstruirati u džamiju.3 Hazreti Omer ostao je dosljedan svim ovim sporazumima i garancijama. Pismo koje je treæi nasturijanski patrik poslao svome prijatelju veoma je znaèajno zbog toga što se milosrðe i tolerancija muslimanskih lidera prema ehlu-kitabijama saopæava iz pera jednog kršæana: “Uopæe nas nisu uznemiravali (...) ovi Arapi koji su se predali Allahovoj volji. Oni su se doista s poštovanjem odnosili prema našoj vjeri, vjerskim službenicima, prema našim crkvama i manastirima...”4 Ovi dokumenti o zaštiti koje je davao hazreti Omer pokazuju nam kakvu toleranciju može posjedovati vjernik ukoliko živi moralom koji je opisan u k*r'anu: “Ova Emannama znaèila je zaštitu vjere, života, crkava i sinagoga za sve individue lokalnog stanovništva, zdrave i bolesne, dobre i loše. Kao što neæe biti rušene, crkve neæe biti ni naseljavane i neæe im ništa nedostajati. Nikome od naroda se neæe naèiniti ni najmanje zlo. Stavke ovog dokumenta (...) obaveze su halifa i vjernika.”5 Svi ovi primjeri primjena su pravde koju je Allah, dž. š., u k*r'anu naredio vjernicima. U jednom ajetu, Allah, dž. š., kaže slijedeæe: Allah vam zapovijeda da odgovorne službe onima koji su ih dostojni povjeravate, i kada ljudima sudite, da pravièno sudite. Uistinu je divan Allahov savjet! - A Allah doista sve èuje i vidi! (En-Nisa, 58). A jedan od misionerskih lidera anglikanske crkve, Canon Taylor, u jednom svom referatu na slijedeæi naèin iznio je ljepote koje nalaže k*r'an: “... odredio je dužnosti kao što su klanjanje namaza, post i èinjenje dobra. Bacio je ustranu izvještaèene vrline koje su neiskrene i nestvarne, podvale i lahkomislenosti naèinjene u ime vjere, moralne emocije koje se raznim naèinima mogu iskrivljeno tumaèiti i meðusobno protuslovne rijeèi onih koji raspravljaju o teologiji. Zarobljenicima je ulio nadu u slobodu, èovjeèanstvu bratske emocije i potvrdio fundamentalne èinjenice ljudske prirode.”6 Pogrešno uvjerenje da su u osvojenim zemljama muslimani nasilno vršili islamizaciju pobija se èak i od zapadnih analitièara; svi potvrðuju pravedan i tolerantan odnos muslimana prema drugima. Ovu èinjenicu na slijedeæi naèin istièe zapadni analitièar L. Browne: “... neosporne èinjenice dokumentiraju temeljnu neosnovanost tvrdnji kršæanskog porijekla koje govore o tome da su, pod prijetnjom maèa, u osvojenim zemljama muslimani narod utjerivali u islam. (...) Dinamièni èinilac u pozadini osvajanja bilo je njihovo islamsko bratstvo, kojim su pozivali narod. (...) Aobim se ovog bratstva, sa primaocima islama, širio poput lavine.”7 Svi muslimanski vladari koji su tokom historije upravljali širokim podruèjem nastavili su se krajnje tolerantno i s poštovanjem odnositi prema stanovništvu drugih vjeroispovijesti. I jevreji i kršæani su krajnje slobodno i sigurno živjeli u islamskim zemljama. Islamska pravda i tolerancija vladala je, takoðer, i u periodu Seldžuèke i Osmanlijske imperije. U svojoj knjizi The Preaching of Islam engleski analitièar Sir Thomas Arnold na slijedeæi naèin objašnjava kako su, zbog ovakvog seldžuèkog stava, kršæani željeli uæi pod njihovu upravu: "Ovaj osjeæaj da je vjerski život siguran pod islamskom upravom bio je povodom da maloazijski (anadolski) kršæani toga vremena doèekaju Seldžuke u svojstvu spasilaca. (...) Štaviše, s nadom u spas od despotizma Bizantijske imperije, stanovnici malih mjesta u Maloj Aziji su, u vrijeme Mihaila VIII (1261-1282.), pozvali Turke da zauzmu njihove kasabe. Mnogi od njih, bogati ili siromašni, usudili su se, èak, na seobu u teritorije koje su se tada nalazile pod kontrolom Turaka." 8 Melikšah, koji se nalazio na vlasti u najsjajnijem periodu Seldžuèke imperije, s velikom tolerancijom i milosrðem pristupao je narodu osvojenih teritorija, što je za posljedicu imalo da ga je taj narod spominjao s velikom ljubavi i poštovanjem. Svi nepristrasni historièari iskreno istièu Melikšahovo pravedno i tolerantno vladanje. Njegova tolerancija stvorila je ljubav prema njemu i u srcima naroda svetih Knjiga (ehlu-kitab). Štaviše, iz tog su razloga mnogi gradovi, na naèin rijetko sretan u historiji, svojevoljno prihvatali da uðu pod upravu Melikšaha. U sjeæanjima sveæenika Odo de Diogloa, pripadnika manastira St. Denis, koji je u drugim krstaškim pohodima uèestvovao kao specijalni pisar Louisa VII, koja su uvrštena u aktualnoj knjizi Sir Thomasa Arnolda, sasvim otvoreno se objašnjava kako su se muslimani pravedno odnosili prema svima, bez obzira ko kojoj vjeri pripadao: "Da nakon one bijede i nesreæe koju su vidjeli u srca muslimana Turaka nije ušao osjeæaj sažaljenja, stanje preostale povorke križara bilo bi mnogo tragiènije. Turci su lijeèili rane ovih jadnika, darežljivo su hranili siromašne meðu njima i rješavali ih njihovih nevolja. Štaviše, odreðeni su muslimani otkupili francuski novac, koji su Bizantinci trikovima i pod prijetnjom iskamèili od hodoèasnika, i podijelili ga siromašnim hodoèasnicima. Ovakvi zaštitnièki odnosi onih koji su bili druge vjere i postupci Bizantinaca, istovjernika koji su ih upošljavali u napornim poslovima, tukli ih i varali, bili su takva prilika za razmišljanje kršæanskih hodoèasnika, tako da su mnogi od njih svojevoljno prihvatili vjeru muslimana, koji su ih spasili." 9 Ovi redovi ispisani od historièara iznose da su muslimanski vladari, koji su posjedovali islamski moral, vladali tolerancijom, milosrðem i pravdom. Historija Osmanlijske imperije, koja je stoljeæima slala nizam (regularna vojska u Osmanlijskoj imperiji - op. prev.) na tri kontinenta jeste, isto tako, puna primjera tolerancije. Nastanjivanje jevreja, koji su u Španiji i Portugalu, od katolièkih vlasti, bili izloženi pokolju i progonu, na teritoriji koja se nalazila pod Osmanlijskom upravom, u vrijeme sultana Bajazita II, veoma je efektan primjer tolerancije koju je nametnuo islamski moral. Katolièki kraljevi koji su u tom periodu vladali velikim dijelom španske teritorije velike su pritiske vršili nad jevrejima koji su prethodno mirno živjeli pod muslimanskom upravom Andaluzije. Dok su u Andaluziji u miru živjeli zajedno muslimani, kršæani i jevreji, katolièki kraljevi preduzeli su akciju nasilnog pokrštavanja cijele zemlje i s tim ciljem poèeli vršiti presije nad jevrejima, a protiv muslimana krenuli u otvoreni rat. Na kraju, 1492. godine, hem je srušena posljednja uprava muslimana, koji su bili stjerani na podruèje Granade na jugu Španije, i izvršen užasan pokolj muslimana, hem su iz zemlje protjerani jevreji koji su odbili pokrštavanje. Tako je dio ovih protjeranih jevreja utoèište potražio i našao na teritoriji koja se nalazila pod upravom Osmanlija. Osmanlijska mornarica pod komandom Kemala Reisa svojim brodovima je na osmanlijsku zemlju prevozila protjerane jevreje i muslimane koji su se uspjeli spasiti od pokolja. Sultan Bajazit II, koji je u historiji bio poznat po svojoj velikoj pobožnosti, ove je izmuèene jevreje, koji su u proljeæe 1492. protjerani iz Španije, nastanio na naroèito na podruèja Soluna, koji se sada nalazi pod grèkom upravom, Edirna, Livadiye i Tirhale, koje se nalaze u blizini Egriboza. Veæina od oko 25.000 jevreja koji danas žive na podruèju Turske potomci su upravo ovih jevreja, iseljenika iz Španije. Vjeru i obièaje koje su prije petsto godina donijeli sa sobom prilagodili su turskim uvjetima i, sa svojim školama, bolnicama, staraèkim domovima, kulturnim institucijama i novinama, vode jedan miran život. Kao što meðu njima ima trgovaca i poslovnih ljudi, postoje i oni s razlièitim zanimanjima: od struènjaka u tehnièkim pitanjima, kao što je arhitektura, do ekonomske propagande. Pored toga, postoje i intelektualni krugovi nauènika i umjetnika raznih profila. Dok u mnogim evropskim zemljama jevrejske zajednice stoljeæima žive u strahu od antisemitskih rasistièkih napada, jevreji u Turskoj žive u jednom krajnjem miru. Èak je samo ova èinjenica dovoljna da se može ustanoviti poimanje tolerancije i pravde koju nalaže islam. Saosjeæajnost i tolerancija koju vidimo kod sultana Bajazita II važi i za sve ostale osmanlijske sultane. Osvajanjem Istanbula Sultan Mehmed je i jevrejima i kršæanima u gradu priznao pravo na slobodu življenja. U jednom od svojih djela, u kontekstu muslimanskog tolerantnog i pravednog vladanja, Andre Miquel, koji je poznat po vrijednim djelima o islamskom svijetu, kaže slijedeæe: “Kršæanska populacija bila je pod veoma dobro organiziranim režimom koji oni nisu mogli naæi u vrijeme bizantijske i latinske uprave. Nisu bili izloženi nikakvoj tiraniji. Naprotiv, imperija, a naroèito Istanbul, bila je sklonište španskih jevreja koji su u Španiji bili izloženi raznim torturama.” 10 I u muslimanskim državama prije Osmanlija nemuslimanima su takoðer bila priznata velika prava. Profesor teologije i meðunarodnih odnosa na Georgetown univerzitetu John L. Esposito na slijedeæi naèin istièe da su jevreji i kršæani koji su kroz historiju došli pod upravu muslimanskih država nailazili na veliku toleranciju: “Za mnoge nemuslimanske zajednice koje su egzistirale na bizantijskoj i perzijskoj zemlji i kojima su inaèe upravljali strani vladari, islamski režim znaèio je promjenu vlasti, ali ovi novi vladari su, u veæini sluèajeva, bili popustljiviji i tolerantniji. Na kraju, veæina ovih zajednica posjedovala je više autonomije i veæinom su plaæali manje poreze. (...) Ispostavilo se da je, islam jedna tolerantnija vjera, koja je jevrejima i lokalnim kršæanima pružila znatno više vjerskih sloboda.”11 Kao što se razumije i iz ovog komentara, muslimani nikada kroz historiju nisu bili "oni koji stvaraju nered"; naprotiv, u sva podruèja, koja su osvojili, svim ljudima, bez obzira na naciju i vjeroispovijest, donosili su pravdu i mir. U skladu s Allahovom naredbom: "I Allahu se klanjajte i nikoga Njemu ravnim ne smatrajte! A roditeljima dobroèinstvo èinite, i roðacima, i siroèadi, i siromasima, i komšijama bližnjim, i komšijama daljnjim, i drugovima, i putnicima, i onima koji su u vašem posjedu. Allah, zaista, ne voli one koji se ohole i hvališu" (En-Nisa', 36) prema svim ljudima odnosili su se na najljepši naèin. Ukratko, osnovu k*r'anskog morala èine postupci ispunjeni prijateljstvom meðu ljudima, bratstvom, mirom i saosjeæanjem i, s ovim superiornim odlikama islam ima za cilj oslobaðanje zemlje od nereda. k*r'anske odredbe i njihovo primjenjivanje kroz historiju od muslimana toliko je oèito da ne dopušta nikakvu raspravu o tome. (Radi detaljnijih podataka v.: Pravda i tolerancija u k*r'anu, Harun Yahya, Kultur Yayincilik, 2000.) BILJEŠKE: 1. Karen Armstrong, Holy War, MacMillian London Limited, 1988, str. 25. 2. Majid Khoduri, Islam'da Savas ve Baris, Fener Yayinlari, Istanbul, 1998, str. 123; Taberi, Tarih I, 1850. 3. Hamidullah, Mecmuatü'l-Vesaik, 195-197. 4. Frend, 289; Hamidullah, Islam Peygamberi, II. 920; Levent Öztürk, Asr-i Saadetten Haçli Seferlerine Kadar Islam Toplumunda Hiristiyanlar, Iz Yayincilik, Istanbul, 1998, str. 55. 5. Yrd. Doc. Dr. Orhan Atalay, Dogu-Bati Kaynaklarinda Birlikte Yasama, Gazeteciler ve Yazarlar Vakfi Yayinlari, Istanbul, 1999, str. 95; Hamidullah, El-Vesaik, str. 380-381, No: 358. 6. History of Latin Christianity, tom II, str. 216-217, Islam Kültür Atlasi, Ismail Rai el-Faruki, Luis Lamia el-Faruki, prijevod: Mustafa Okan Kibaroglu-Zerrin Kibaroglu, Inkilab Yayinlari, 1997, str. 222. 7. L. Browne, The Prospects of Islam, str. 11-15, str. 269-270. 8. Yesevizade, Sevgi Peygamberi, Hakikati Arayis Nesriyati, Ankara, 1996, str. 272-273; Sir Thomas Arnold, The Preaching of Islam, str. 97; Finlay: 4A History of Greece, III, 358-9; J. H. Krause: "Die Byzantiner des Mitte latters", Halle, 1869, str. 276. 9. Osman Turan, Türk Dünya Nizaminin Milli, Islami ve Insani Esaslari, tom 2, str. 138. 10. F. Emecen, K. Beydilli, M. Ipsirli, M.A. Aydin, I. Ortayli, A. Özcan, B. Yediyildiz, M. Kütükoglu, Osmanli Devleti ve Medeniyeti Tarihi, Islam Tarih, Sanat ve Kültür Arastirma Merkezi, Istanbul, 1994, str. 467. 11. John L. Esposito, The Islamic Threat: Myth or Reality, Oxford University Press, New York, 1992, str. 39. Sakate uste? Mozam jas cela istorija da vi ja prenesam? A Templarius? 
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Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 23.Февруари.2008 во 07:00
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Omer - prvite dva teksta se von kontekstot na prvichnoto prashanje, a toa e shto dovelo do krstonosnite vojni, a ne shto vojnite napravile. Vekje diskutiravme za posledicite od tie vojni i site sme soglasni deka imalo strashni krvoprolitija i deka imalo mnogu nepravednost.
Vekje rekov - neka ne se gleda temava kako neprijatelstvo kon muslimanite, a kako baranje da se objasni edna dosta konfuzna situacija, vo vrska so arapskite osvojuvanja, koi dovele do pochetokot na krstonosnite vojni. Vo posledniot tekst se zboruva tokmu za toa. No - celo vreme, opravduvanjeto shto go slusham vo vrska so osvojuvanjata (vo sluchajov od strana na Turcite vo Mala Azija) e deka zhitelite sami barale od Turcite da dojdat i da gi spasat od Vizantijcite... Da recheme deka e toa tochno za nekoi od niv. Shto se sluchuva so tie shto ne sakaat da bidat "spaseni" od muslimanite i koi vsushnost se borele za zapazuvanje na svojata zemja, vladenie i slichno...?! Zoshto tie lugje stradale, za neshto koe nivnite sosedi go pobarale?! Kako ova kje go objasnite spored k*ranot koj izrichno veli deka ne smee da ima vojuvanje za osvojuvanje?! Ili sega kje odgovorite deka site sakale da bidat pod muslimanska vlast?!?!?! Toa bi bilo totalna nebuloza... Ako mozhe, nekoj koj razbira neka objasni konkretno za ova, namesto da se povikuvate na tekstovi koi sosema povrshno go dopiraat ova prashanje. |
Постирано од: Omer El Faruk
Датум на внесување: 23.Февруари.2008 во 07:06
Се е во контекст,само треба повнимателно да читаш.А сега еве ти одговор на твоето прашање: Muslimani su Grčkom vladali više stoljeća. Da li su Grci postali muslimani? Da li je iko pokušao da ih islamizira? Na protiv. Grčki kršćani su obnašali najviša pozicije unutar osmanske vlade. Bugari, Srbi, Rumuni, Mađari i druge evropske nacije su živjeli pod osmanskom vladavinom pa su opet ostali vjerni svojoj krš+anskoj vjeri. Niko ih nije tjerao da prihvate islam. |
zidarski напиша:Постирано од: the king
Датум на внесување: 23.Февруари.2008 во 15:13
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ma uste ednas da kazam :
islamskata imperija dosta dolgo vreme vladeela i so spanija i so portugalija no tie i denes ne se islamski drzavi... ------------- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 23.Февруари.2008 во 15:45
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Jas ne velam deka krstonosnite pohodi ne donele krvoprolevanje naprotiv jas samo sakav da ukazam sto dovelo do tie krstonosni povodi no nekogo toa ne go interesira kako i da e ...... ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 23.Февруари.2008 во 18:49
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Omer - kako shto rekov - nadvor od kontekst ti e postot! Ne zboruvame za toa shto se sluchilo vo zemjite koi bile zavladeani od muslimanite za vreme na nivnoto vladeenje, a zboruvame za samoto zavladuvanje! Spored k*ranot, spored suri koi bea citirani na forumov mnogu pati, muslimanite ne smeat da zavojuvaat tugji teritorii... no - toa e fakt deka se sluchilo. Toa shto go slusham do sega se samo opravduvanja za toj chin, iako niedno od tie opravduvanja nemaat pochva.
Bidejki mnogu ja sakate logikata, kje vi dadam nekoi logichni objasnuvanja: Vo Shpanija - gi viknal nekoj proteran princ da dojde da mu ja osvojat zemjata, a toa shto celiot narod posle vojuval protiv niv i se bunel na toa osvojuvanje, ne e bitno, bitno bile povikani. Kipar - eh, siguren sum deka gi napadnal so svojata golema vojnichka sila i mokjna mashinerija, pa morale da go osvojat, a verojatno istoto se odnesuva i na Sardinija i Sicilija (mafijashi bile ushte od togash, sigureno). Istoto se odnesuva na osvojuvanjata na Balkanot - nema kako poinaku da se sluchilo - sigurno nekoj gi povikal da dojdat i da go spasat Balkanot od samiot sebe si... Za site ovie raboti ima objasnuvanje deka toa ne se osvojuvanja, tuku samoodbrana?!?!?! Mnogu sakam da znam kako toa Arapite se branele od Shpancite... kako prvi komshii, neli... Seushte nemam dobieno odgovor na ovaa tema koj da e jasen, i so dostojno objasnuvanje - zoshto muslimanite (i toa prvite) gi prekrshile ajetite od k*ranot i trgnale vo osvojuvachki pohod? Ova prashanje se provejuva vo nekolku temi i do sega, od reakciite, so ogled na toa shto muslimanite ne sakaat da zboruvaat na temata i sekogash se lutat koga se postavuva prashanjeto, i se razbira, omilenoto - objavuvaat kontra tema namesto da odgovorat na ovaa, izvlekov nekolku zakluchoci. 1. Ili chlenovite na forumot nemaat dovolno poznavanje od ovaa tematika, ili imaat, no ne znaat kako samite na sebe da si ja objasnat taa kontradikcija koja nastanuva vo istorijata, nasproti toa shto go pishuva vo k*ranot. 2. Nikogash ne sakaat da kritikuvaat nishto shto e muslimansko, bez razlika dali bilo pred 1300 godini ili denes, bez razlika dali e pogreshno ili ne, vazhno shtom e nivno, nema prostor za kritiki i komentari, odnosno, po nivnata logika e ispravno. 3. Verojatno znaat za shto tochno stanuva zbor, no ne sakaat da zboruvaat javno za toa, od strav deka toa mozhe da bide sfateno kako losh moment za islamot vo minatoto, shto e besmisleno spored mene, zatoa shto bash treba da se objasni ovoj fenomen, zatoa shto vaka kako shto e sega postaven, drugata strana dobiva se ponegativno mislenje. 4. Sekogash temite koi se objavuvaat kako kontra, se za da pokazhat "I vie ste takvi". Da, toa e jasno deka krstonoscite bile takvi, i amerikancite denes i shto li ne, no so nachinot na koj ja postavuvate temata, samite pokazhuvate deka "I muslimanite bile takvi", ama naogjate opravduvanje vo toa shto i hristijanite se isti. |
Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 07:12
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Shteta shto nema odgovor na ovaa tema i shto se izbegnuva sosema...
Navistina e zhalno shto na forumov si igrame celo vreme na "prashanje - kontra-prashanje", namesto da doagjame do odgovori. No, od druga strana, tokmu neodgovaranjeto zboruva povekje od bilo kakov odgovor. |
Постирано од: efendija
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 15:44
Не си во право.На сите прашања е одговорено.Навистина е жално што не сакате да се потрудете да сватете некои работи.Навистина е жално што за вас ниту еден одговор НЕ Е ДОБАР.Навистина е жално што немате никаква доблест пореално да пристапите кон историјата. П.С."Неодговарањето"зборува за тоа дека сосема непотребно е на некој глув да му зборуваш.Ионака нема да те чуе. ------------- "Zadovolen sum Allah da mi bide Gospod,Muhammed pejgamber a Islamot vera" |
Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 18:41
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Ne e odgovoreno efendija - odgovorite se odnesuvaat na periodot na krstonosnite vojni ili na nekakvi objasnuvanja deka podobro im bilo na osvoenite pod islamska uprava, otkolku pred toa.
Prashanjeto e mnogu ednostavno, no nikoj ne go odgovara. Zoshto voopshto osvojuvale, koga toa e zabraneto od k*ranot?! (i ne mi odgovaraj so kontra prashanje za krstonoscite, a so odgovor) Dali Shpanija gi napadnala, ili mozhebi Kipar, ili Sicilija? k*ranot izrichno kazhuva kako da se vojuva i samiot veli deka otkako kje se odbie neprijatelot od sopstvenata teritorija, deka ne treba da se progonuva i da se zavladuva negovata. Objasni mi togash kako nastanale site tie osvojuvanja?! Shpancite gi zamolile arapite da gi osvojat, a potoa krvnichki vojuvale so niv naredni 700 godini? Ili istoto go napravile Vizantijcite? Ili ako eden grad vo Mala Azija pobaral pomosh od niv, dali toa znachi deka i sosedniot grad treba da e pod nivna uprava, iako ne bara da bide?! Kako toa kje go objasnite i koga konechno nekoj od vas kje pochne da gi sfakja rabotite seriozno i chesno? |
Постирано од: Messenger
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 19:21
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Prvo, na onoj koj ke bide tolku naiven da prifati takov odgovor, deka vo vojna se poagja samo poradi pomosh na nekoj tugjinec, mu go nudam na prodazhba Kameniot most vo Skopje za edna bagatelna cena od $10.000. Zamislete, vashi lugje da ginat samo za da mu pomognete na nekoj da si sedni na prestolot? Za sto? Za da se povlechete potoa nazad iskrvareni, osakateni i da im gi donesete mrtvite tela na vash*te brakja vo nivnite semejstva kade sto gi chekaat taktko, majka, zhena i decata??? Za da mi rechi novopostaveniot kral - "blagodaram"???
Pokazhete mi od istorijata barem eden takov bezumen vladetel koj bi pravel "uslugi" od toj vid. Naprotiv, istorijata veli deka sekoja "pomosh" si ima cena. Najchesto cenata e osvojuvanje teritorii poradi ekspolatacija i zbogatuvanje na "pomagachot". Istoto se sluchilo i togash i site opravduvanja za takvite vojni i vladeenje so "pomognatite" zemji se bajki za deca pred spienje. ------------- Truth needs no laws to support it. Throughout history only lies and liars have resorted to the courts to enforce adherence to dogma. |
Постирано од: Aisha
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 21:40
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IV. ДАЛИ ИСЛАМОТ СЕ ШИРЕЛ
СО ПОМОШ НА САБЈА Како тоа вие го нарекувате исламот вера на мирот, кога он е ширен со сабја?! Многу често некои немуслимани тврдат дека исламот не би имал волкав број на следбеници низ целиот свет, а да не е ширен со сила. Во неколку точки, ќе објаснам дека е далеку од тоа, да исламот се ширел со сила. Исламот се ширел со силата на вистината, разумот и логиката. Тоа е целата сила која е одговорна за ширењето на исламот. ИСЛАМОТ ЗНАЧИ МИР Зборот ислам е изведен од зборот селам, што значи мир. Истотака, исламот значи покорување на Алах џ.ш. Тоа значи дека исламот е вера на мирот кој се постигнува низ потполна преданост на волјата на Возвишениот Господар, Алах џ.ш. ПОНЕКОГАШ Е ПОТРЕБНА СИЛА КАКО БИ СЕ ОДРЖАЛ МИРОТ Не е секој човек на планетата Земја спремен за одржување на мирот и хармонијата. Многумина се оние кои најнормално би го загрозиле мирот поради своите лични интереси. Затоа е понекогаш потребана сила да би се воспоставил и одржувал мирот. Поради таа причина имаме полиција, чија примарна задача е спречувањето на криминалците и другите антисоцијални елементи, кои го загрозуваат мирот и хармонијата во друштвото и државата. Исламот пропагира мир. Но во исто време, бара од своите следбеници да се борат против угнетувањето. Борбата против угнетувањето, понекогаш бара употреба на сила. Во исламот, сила смее да се употребува единствено поради спроведување на мир и правда. МИСЛЕЊЕТО НА ИСТОРИЧАРОТ ДЕ ЛЕЈСИ О’ЛЕРИ Најдобриот одговор на заблудата дека исламот е ширен со сабја, дал угледниот историчар, Де Лејси О’Лери, во книгата „ Исламот на крстосница “, на 8 страна,: „ Секако, јасен е историскиот факт, дека легендата за фанатичните муслимани кои хараат по светот, и со сабја го шират исламот, помеѓу поробените народи – е еден од најапсурдните измислени митови кои еден историчар може да ги изговори! “ МУСЛИМАНИТЕ ВЛАДЕЕЛЕ ВО ШПАНИЈА 800 ГОДИНИ Иако муслиманите владееле во Шпанија околу 800 години, никогаш не користеле сабја, т.е. сила, како луѓето би ги конвертирале во ислам. Кога во Шпанија дошле крстоносците, ги избришале муслиманите од сцена. Ниту еден муслиман во Шпанија не смеел јавно да учи езан, повик на намаз. 14 МИЛИОНИ АРАПИ СЕ КОПТИ ХРИСТИЈАНИ Муслиманите владеат во Арабија 1400 години. Некое време владееле Британците, е некое Французите. Но, вкупно, муслиманите владеат со Арабија веќе 1400 години. И покрај тоа, денеска постојат преку 14 милиони Копти, христијани, кои биле христијани со векови наназад. Ако муслиманите користеле сабја во ширењето на верата, не би остантал ниту еден Арап немуслиман. ВО ИНДИЈА ИМА ПРЕКУ 80 % НЕМУСЛИМАНИ Муслиманите владееле во Индија околу 1000 години. Да сакале, имале моќ секој немуслиман во Индија, да го натераат да прими ислам. Денеска, дури 80 % од жителите на Индија не се муслимани. Сите тие немуслимани се жив доказ дека исламот, никогаш не бил ширен со помош на сабја. ИНДОНЕЗИЈА И МАЛЕЗИЈА Индонезија е земја со најголема популација на муслимани во светот. Во Малезија, повеќето жители се муслимани. Јас ве прашува: „Која муслиманска војска некогаш зачекорила во Индонезија и Малезија?! ИСТОЧНИОТ БРЕГ НА АФРИКА Исламот брзо се ширел и по земјите на источна Африка. Зошто некој не се запраша: „ Ако исламот е ширен со сабја, која муслиманска армија престојувала во земјите на источна Африка!?“ ТОМАС КАРЛАЈЛ Познатиот историчар Томас Карлајл, во книгата: „ Хероите и почитувањето на хероите, “ се навраќа на дезинформациите за ширењето на исламот со сабја: „Да, тоа е сабја, навистина! Но, одкаде е таа сабја? Тоа е секое ново мислење, кое во почетокот не е приметно. Се наоѓа во главата на еден човек. Таму се задржува некои време. Само еден човек верува во тоа, само он од целиот свет; само еден човек се кренал против целиот свет. Ако се фати за сабјата и почне да ги пропагира идеите со нејзина помош, нема да постигне ништо. Во целина, идејата се шири сама од себе, колку може....“ ВО ВЕРАТА НЕМА ПРИСИЛА Со кој меч исламот е ширен? Дури и да некои муслимани имале таква намера, не можеле тоа да го направат, затоа што во к*ранот стои, во следниот стих: „ Нема присила во верата, Правиот пат, јасно се разликува од заблудата!“ ( Ел Бекаре: 256 ) МЕЧОТ НА ИНТЕЛЕКТОТ Користениот меч е мечот на интелектот. Тоа е мечот кој ги освојува срцата и душите на луѓето. Чесниот к*ран вели: „ На патот на Господарот свој, мудро и со убави совети повикувај, и со нив на најубав начин расправај! “ ПРОЦЕНТУАЛНИОТ ПОРАСТ НА СВЕТСКИТЕ РЕЛИГИИ 1934 – 1984 ГОДИНА Во Годишникот од 1986 година, стои текст со статистички податоци за ширењето на најпознатите светски религии во текот на изминатите 50 години (1934 – 1984). Овие податоци се најдоа и во магазинот „ Јасна вистина“. На самиот врв на листата, се најде исламот, чиј број на следбеници се зголемил за 235 %, додека бројот на припадниците на христијанството се зголемил за 47 %. Јас ве прашувам: „ Која војна во тој период била причина за премионот на милиони луѓе во ислам?! ИСЛАМОТ Е РЕЛИГИЈАТА КОЈА НАЈБРГУ СЕ ШИРИ ВО АМЕРИКА И ЕВРОПА Денска во Америка, исламот е религија која најбргу се шири. Религијата која најбргу се шири во Европа, е истотака исламот. Која е таа сабја, која ги принудува луѓето по Запад да во така голем број го прифатат исламот?! ДР. ЏОЗЕФ АДАМ ПИРСОН Др. Џозеф Адам Пирсон, еднаш убаво рекол: „ Луѓето кои се грижат дека еден ден, нуклеарното оружје ќе дојде во рацете на Арапите, забораваат дека исламската бомба е веќе фрлена. Падна оној ден кога Мухамед е роден.“ ------------- PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM!!!! |
Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 22:00
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Kako odogovr na tvojeto pisuvanje kade za merodavni zemas isecoci od novini jas ti gi citiram stihovite od k*ranot koi se direktno povrzani so nasilstvoto i mecot na islamot..
[2.178] O you who believe! retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the slain, the free for the free, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female, but if any remission is made to any one by his (aggrieved) brother, then prosecution (for the bloodwit) should be made according to usage, and payment should be made to him in a good manner; this is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy; so whoever exceeds the limit after this he shall have a painful chastisement. [2.179] And there is life for you in (the law of) retaliation, O men of understanding, that you may guard yourselves. K 2:190-191 Set 2, Count 3+4 [2.190] And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. [2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. K 2:193-194 Set 3, Count 5+6 [2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors. [2.194] The Sacred month for the sacred month and all sacred things are (under the law of) retaliation; whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of your duty) to Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). K 2:216-218 Set 4, Count 7-9 [2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and it is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know. [2.217] They ask you concerning the sacred month about fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is a grave matter, and hindering (men) from Allah's way and denying Him, and (hindering men from) the Sacred Mosque and turning its people out of it, are still graver with Allah, and persecution is graver than slaughter; and they will not cease fighting with you until they turn you back from your religion, if they can; and whoever of you turns back from his religion, then he dies while an unbeliever—these it is whose works shall go for nothing in this world and the hereafter, and they are the inmates of the fire; therein they shall abide. [2.218] Surely those who believed and those who fled (their home) and strove hard in the way of Allah these hope for the mercy of Allah and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. K 2:244 Set 5, Count 10 And fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearing, Knowing. K 3:121-126 Set 6, Count 11-16 [3.121] And when you did go forth early in the morning from your family to lodge the believers in encampments for war and Allah is Hearing, Knowing. [3.122] When two parties from among you had determined that they should show cowardice [about Jihad], and Allah was the guardian of them both, and in Allah should the believers trust. [3.123] And Allah did certainly assist you at [the Battle of] Badr when you were weak; be careful of (your duty to) Allah then, that you may give thanks. [3.124] When you said to the believers: Does it not suffice you that your Lord should assist you with three thousand of the angels sent down? [3.125] Yea! if you remain patient and are on your guard, and they come upon you in a headlong manner, your Lord will assist you with five thousand of the havoc-making angels. [3.126] And Allah did not make it but as good news for you, and that your hearts might be at ease thereby, and victory is only from Allah, the Mighty, the Wise. K 3:140-143 Set 7, Count 17-20 [3.140] If a wound has afflicted you (at [the Battle of] Uhud), a wound like it has also afflicted the (unbelieving) people; and We bring these days to men by turns, and that Allah may know those who believe and take witnesses from among you; and Allah does not love the unjust. [3.141] And that He [Allah] may purge those who believe and deprive the unbelievers of blessings.[3.142] Yusuf Ali: Did ye think that ye would enter Heaven without God testing those of you who fought hard (in His Cause) and remained steadfast? [3.143] Pickthall: And verily ye used to wish for death before ye met it (in the field). Now ye have seen it [death] with your eyes! K 3:146 Set 8, Count 21 Yusuf Ali: How many of the prophets fought (in Allah's way) [Jihad], and with them (fought) large bands of godly men? But they never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's way [lost a battle], nor did they weaken (in will) nor give in. And Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [in Jihad]. K 3:152-158 Set 9, Count 22-28 [3.152] And certainly Allah made good to you His promise when you slew them by His [Allah's] permission [during a Jihad battle], until when you became weak-hearted and disputed about the affair and disobeyed after He [Allah] had shown you that which you loved; of you were some who desired this world and of you were some who desired the hereafter; then He [Allah] turned you away from them that He might try you; and He has certainly pardoned you, and Allah is Gracious to the believers. [3.153] Pickthall: When ye climbed (the hill) and paid no heed to anyone, while the messenger, in your rear, was calling you (to fight). Therefore He rewarded you grief for (his) grief, that (He might teach) you not to sorrow either for that which ye missed [war spoils] or for that which befell you. Allah is informed of what ye do. [3.154] Then after sorrow He sent down security upon you, a calm coming upon a party of you, and (there was) another party whom their own souls had rendered anxious; they entertained about Allah thoughts of ignorance quite unjustly, saying: We have no hand in the affair. Say: Surely the affair is wholly (in the hands) of Allah. They conceal within their souls what they would not reveal to you. They say: Had we any hand in the affair, we would not have been slain here [in a Jihad battle]. Say: Had you remained in your houses, those for whom slaughter was ordained [in a Jihad battle] would certainly have gone forth to the places where they would be slain, and that Allah might test what was in your breasts and that He might purge what was in your hearts; and Allah knows what is in the breasts. [3.155] (As for) those of you who turned back on the day when the two armies met, only the Satan sought to cause them to make a slip on account of some deeds they had done, and certainly Allah has pardoned them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing. [3.156] O you who believe! be not like those who disbelieve and say of their brethren when they travel in the earth or engage in fighting: Had they been with us, they would not have died and they would not have been slain; so Allah makes this to be an intense regret in their hearts; and Allah gives life and causes death and Allah sees what you do. [3.157] And if you are slain in the way of Allah or you die, certainly forgiveness from Allah and mercy is better than what they amass [what those who stay home from Jihad receive—no booty and no perks in heaven]. [3.158] And if indeed you die or you are slain, certainly to Allah shall you be gathered together. K 3:165-167 Set 10, Count 29-31 [3.165] What! when a misfortune befell you, and you [Muslims] had certainly afflicted (the unbelievers) with twice as much [with Jihad], you began to say: Whence is this? Say: It is from yourselves; surely Allah has power over all things. [3.166] And what befell you on the day when the two armies met ([the Battle of] Uhud) was with Allah's knowledge, and that He might know the believers. [3.167] And that He might know the hypocrites; and it was said to them: Come, fight in Allah's way, or defend yourselves. They said: If we knew fighting, we would certainly have followed you. They were on that day much nearer to unbelief than to belief. They say with their mouths what is not in their hearts, and Allah best knows what they conceal. K 3:169 Set 11, Count 32 And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord [meaning they are enjoying their 72 virgins in heaven]; K 3:172-173 Set 12, Count 33+34 [3.172] (As for) those who responded (at [the Battle of] Uhud) to the call of Allah and the Apostle after a wound had befallen them, those among them who do good (to others) and guard (against evil) shall have a great reward. [3.173] Those to whom the people said: Surely men have gathered against you [in battle], therefore fear them, but this increased their faith, and they said: Allah is sufficient for us and most excellent is the Protector. K 3:195 Set 13, Count 35 So their Lord accepted their prayer: That I will not waste the work of a worker among you, whether male or female, the one of you being from the other; they, therefore, who fled and were turned out of their homes and persecuted in My way and who fought and were slain, I will most certainly cover their evil deeds, and I will most certainly make them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; a reward from Allah, and with Allah is yet better reward. K 4:071-072 Set 14, Count 36+37 [4.71] O you who believe! take your precaution, then go forth in detachments or go forth in a body [to war]. [4.72] And surely among you is he who would certainly hang back [from Jihad]! If then a misfortune befalls you he says: Surely Allah conferred a benefit on me that I was not present with them [in Jihad]. K 4:074-077 Set 15, Count 38-41 [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. [4.75] And what reason have you that you should not fight in the way of Allah and of the weak among the men and the women and the children, (of) those who say: Our Lord! cause us to go forth from this town, whose people are oppressors, and give us from Thee a guardian and give us from Thee a helper. [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Satan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Satan; surely the strategy of the Satan is weak. [4.77] Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; but when fighting is prescribed for them, lo! a party of them fear men as they ought to have feared Allah, or (even) with a greater fear, and say: Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us? Wherefore didst Thou not grant us a delay to a near end? Say: The provision of this world is short, and the hereafter is better for him who guards (against evil); and you shall not be wronged the husk of a date stone. K 4:084 Set 16, Count 42 Fight then in Allah's way; this is not imposed on you except in relation to yourself, and rouse the believers to ardor maybe Allah will restrain the fighting of those who disbelieve and Allah is strongest in prowess and strongest to give an exemplary punishment. K 4:089-091 Set 17, Count 43-45 [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back [to their homes], then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. [4.90] Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them [Allah supposedly does not allow Muslims to fight people friendly to Muslims]. [4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority. K 4:094-095 Set 18, Count 46+47 [4.94] O you who believe! when you go to war in Allah's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace: You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! [Meaning that Muslim ought not say someone is a non-Muslim just to plunder him.] But with Allah there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely Allah is aware of what you do. [4.95] The holders back from among the believers, not having any injury, and those who strive hard [Jihad] in Allah's way with their property and their persons are not equal; Allah has made the strivers with their property and their persons to excel the holders back a (high) degree, and to each (class) Allah has promised good; and Allah shall grant to the strivers [i.e., Jihadist] above the holders back a mighty reward: K 4:100-104 Set 19, Count 48-52 [4.100] And whoever flies in Allah's way [forsakes his home to fight in Jihad], he will find in the earth many a place of refuge and abundant resources, and whoever goes forth from his house flying to Allah and His Apostle, and then death overtakes him [in Jihad], his reward is indeed with Allah and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [4.101] Rodwell: And when ye go forth to war in the land, it shall be no crime in you to cut short your prayers, if ye fear lest the infidels come upon you; Verily, the infidels are your undoubted enemies! [4.102] And when you are among them and keep up the prayer for them, let a party of them stand up with you, and let them take their arms; then when they have prostrated themselves let them go to your rear, and let another party who have not prayed come forward and pray with you, and let them take their precautions and their arms; (for) those who disbelieve desire that you may be careless of your arms and your luggage, so that they may then turn upon you with a sudden united attack, and there is no blame on you, if you are annoyed with rain or if you are sick, that you lay down your arms, and take your precautions; surely Allah has prepared a disgraceful chastisement for the unbelievers. [4.103] Khalifa: Once you complete your Contact Prayer (Salat), you shall remember GOD while standing, sitting, or lying down. Once the war is over, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat); the Contact Prayers (Salat) are decreed for the believers at specific times. [4.104] And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain, and you hope from Allah what they do not hope; and Allah is Knowing, Wise. K 4:141 Set 20, Count 53 Sher Ali: Those who await your ruin. If you have a victory [in Jihad] from Allah, they say, ‘Were we not with you?’ And if the disbelievers have a share of it, they say to them, ‘Did we not on a previous occasion get the better of you and save you from the believers?’ Allah will judge between you on the day of Resurrection; and Allah will not grant the disbelievers a way to prevail against the believers. K 5:033 Set 21, Count 54 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned [Pickthall and Yusuf Ali have "exiled" rather than "imprisoned"]; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, K 5:035 Set 22, Count 55 O you who believe! be careful of (your duty to) Allah and seek means of nearness to Him and strive hard [at Jihad] in His way that you may be successful. K 5:082 Set 23, Count 56 Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews [compare " with "whenever Jews kindle fire for war, Allah [Muslims] puts it out" (K 005:064)] and those who are polytheists [while they are converted to Islam on pain of death]... K 8:001 Set 24, Count 57 Pickthall: They ask thee (O Muhammad) of the spoils of war. Say: The spoils of war belong to Allah and the messenger, so keep your duty to Allah, and adjust the matter of your difference, and obey Allah and His messenger, if ye are (true) believers. K 8:005 Set 25, Count 58 Even as your Lord caused you to go forth from your house with the truth, though a party of the believers were surely averse; K 8:007 Set 26, Count 59 Yusuf Ali: Behold! Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties, that it should be yours: Ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers; K 8:009-010 Set 27, Count 60+61 [8.9]When you sought aid from your Lord [at the Battle of Badr], so He answered you: I will assist you [in Jihad] with a thousand of the angels following one another [see K 008:012]. [8.10] And Allah only gave it as a good news and that your hearts might be at ease thereby; and victory is only from Allah; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise. K 8:012 Set 28, Count 62 When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. K 8:015-017 Set 29, Count 63-65 [8.15] O you who believe! when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. [8.16] And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day—unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company—then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be. [8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote [Allah gets the credit for Jihad], and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing. K 8:039-048 Set 30, Count 66-75 [8.39] Shakir: And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do. [8.40] Yusuf Ali: If they [unbelievers] refuse [to stop fighting], be sure that God is your Protector—the best to protect and the best to help. [8.41] Shakir: And know that whatever thing [loot] you gain, a fifth of it is for Allah and for the Apostle and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, if you believe in Allah and in that which We revealed to Our servant, on the day of distinction, the day on which the two parties met [in a Jihad versus anti-Jihad battle]; and Allah has power over all things. [8.42] When you were on the nearer side (of the valley) and they were on the farthest side, while the caravan was in a lower place than you [the Makkan caravan the Muslims robbed]; and if you had mutually made an appointment, you would certainly have broken away from the appointment, but—in order that Allah might bring about a matter which was to be done, that he who would perish might perish by clear proof [bring success to Muslims engaged in robbing a caravan near Badr against all the odds], and he who would live might live by clear proof; and most surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing; [8.43] When Allah showed them [the Makkans] to you in your dream as few [fighters]; and if He had shown them [the Makkans] to you as many [fighters] you would certainly have become weak-hearted [i.e., hearts. See the similar discussion in K 002:249 about how a smaller army can defeat a larger army] and you would have disputed about the matter, but Allah saved (you); surely He is the Knower of what is in the breasts. [8.44] And when He showed them to you, when you met, as few [fighters] in your eyes and He made you to appear little [few fighters] in their eyes, in order that Allah might bring about a matter which was to be done [a Jihad versus anti-Jihad battle brought on by overconfidence in each side], and to Allah are all affairs returned. [8.45] O you who believe! when you meet a party [in battle], then be firm, and remember Allah much, that you may be successful. [8.46] And obey Allah and His Apostle and do not quarrel for then you will be weak in hearts [demoralized] and your power [to execute Jihad] will depart, and be patient; surely Allah is with the patient. [8.47] And be not like those [Makkans] who came forth from their homes [in an anti-Jihad War on Islamic terrorism] in great exultation and to be seen of men, and (who) turn away from the way of Allah, and Allah comprehends what they do. [8.48] And when the Satan made their works fair seeming to them, and [Satan] said [to the Makkans]: No one can overcome you this day, and surely I [Satan] am your protector: but when the two parties [Muslims versus Makkans] came in sight of each other he [Satan] turned upon his heels, and [Satan] said: Surely I am clear of you [the Makkans], surely I see what you do not see [Allah's angels], surely I fear Allah; and Allah is severe in requiting (evil). K 8:057-060 Set 31, Count 76-79 Pickthall: [8.57] If thou come on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember. [8.58] Khalifa: When you are betrayed by a group of people, you shall mobilize against them in the same manner. GOD does not love the betrayers. [8.59] Shakir: And let not those who disbelieve think that they shall come in first; surely they will not escape. [8.60] And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way [for Jihad], it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly. K 8:065-075 Set 32, Count 80-90 [8.65] O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand [in other words, "do not understand totalitarian ideologies like Islam"]. [8.66] For the present Allah has made light your burden, and He knows that there is weakness in you; so if there are a hundred patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a thousand they shall overcome two thousand by Allah's permission, and Allah is with the patient. [8.67] It is not fit for a prophet that he should take captives unless he has fought and triumphed in the land; you desire the frail goods [i.e., ransom money] of this world, while Allah desires (for you) the hereafter; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. [8.68] Had it not been for a previous ordainment [i.e., the revelation of K 008:067] from God, a severe penalty would have reached you for the (ransom) that you took [or better, "would have taken"]. [8.69] Eat then of the lawful and good (things) which you have acquired in war [war spoils], and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [8.70] O Prophet! say to those of the captives [non-Muslims] who are in your hands: If Allah knows anything good in your hearts, He will give to you better than that which has been taken away from you [in Jihad] and will forgive you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [8.71] Yusuf Ali: But if they have treacherous designs against thee, (O Apostle!) , they have already been in treason against God, and so hath [has] He [Allah] given (thee) power over them. And God so He Who hath (full) knowledge and wisdom. [8.72] Yusuf Ali: Those who believed, and adopted exile, and fought for the Faith, with their property and their persons, in the cause of God, as well as those who gave (them) asylum and aid, - these are (all) friends and protectors, one of another. As to those who believed but came not into exile, ye [you] owe no duty of protection to them until they come into exile; but if they seek your aid in religion, it is your duty to help them, except against a people with whom ye have a treaty of mutual alliance. And (remember) God seeth [sees] all that ye do. [8.73] Yusuf Ali: The Unbelievers are protectors, one of another: Unless ye do this, (protect each other), there would be tumult and oppression on earth, and great mischief. [8.74] Yusuf Ali: Those who believe, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith, in the cause of God as well as those who give (them) asylum and aid, - these are (all) in very truth the Believers: for them is the forgiveness of sins and a provision most generous. [8.75] Yusuf Ali: And those who accept Faith subsequently, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith in your company,—they are of you. But kindred by blood have prior rights against each other in the Book of God. Verily God is well acquainted with all things. K 9:005 Set 33, Count 91 So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. K 9:012-014 Set 34, Count 92-94 [9.12] And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief—surely their oaths are nothing—so that they may desist. [9.13] What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Apostle, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers. [9.14] Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people. K 9:016 Set 35, Count 95 What! do you think that you will be left alone while Allah has not yet known those of you who have struggled hard [Jihad] and have not taken any one as an adherent besides Allah and His Apostle and the believers; and Allah is aware of what you do. K 9:019-020 Set 36, Count 96+97 [9.19] What! do you make (one who undertakes) the giving of drink to the pilgrims and the guarding of the Sacred Mosque like him who believes in Allah and the latter day and strives hard in Allah's way [Jihad]? They are not equal with Allah; and Allah does not guide the unjust people. [9.20] Those who believed and fled (their homes), and strove hard [Jihad] in Allah's way with their property and their souls, are much higher in rank with Allah; and those are they who are the achievers (of their objects). K 9:024-026 Set 37, Count 98-100 [9.24] Say: If your fathers and your sons and your brethren and your mates and your kinsfolk and property which you have acquired, and the slackness of trade which you fear and dwellings which you like, are dearer to you than Allah and His Apostle and striving in His way [Jihad]:, then wait till Allah brings about His command [to go on Jihad]: and Allah does not guide the transgressing people. [9.25] Certainly Allah helped you in many battlefields and on the day of [the Battle of] Hunain, when your great numbers made you vain, but they availed you nothing and the earth became strait to you notwithstanding its spaciousness, then you turned back retreating. [9.26] Then Allah sent down His tranquility upon His Apostle and upon the believers, and sent down hosts which you did not see, and chastised those who disbelieved [Muhammad gives credit to angels and Allah for the actions of Jihadists], and that is the reward of the unbelievers. K 9:029 Set 38, Count 101 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. K 9:036 Set 39, Count 102 Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). K 9:038-039 Set 40, Count 103+104 [9.38] O you who believe! What (excuse) have you that when it is said to you: Go forth in Allah's way [to Jihad], you should incline heavily to earth; are you contented with this world's life instead of the hereafter? But the provision of this world's life compared with the hereafter is but little. [9.38] If you do not go forth [to go on Jihad], He will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a people other than you [to go on Jihad], and you will do Him no harm; and Allah has power over all things. K 9:041 Set 41, Count 105 They do not ask leave of you who believe in Allah and the latter day (to stay away) from striving hard with their property and their persons [Jihad], and Allah knows those who guard (against evil). K 9:044 Set 42, Count 106 They do not ask leave of you who believe in Allah and the latter day (to stay away) from striving hard [Jihad] with their property and their persons, and Allah knows those who guard (against evil). K 9:052 Set 43, Count 107 Say: Do you await for us but one of two most excellent things? And we await for you that Allah will afflict you with punishment from Himself or by our hands. So wait; we too will wait with you. K 9:073 Set 44, Count 108 O Prophet! strive hard [Jihad] against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination. K 9:081 Set 45, Count 109 Those who were left behind were glad on account of their sitting behind Allah's Apostle and they were averse from striving m Allah's way [Jihad] with their property and their persons, and said: Do not go forth [to Jihad] in the heat. Say: The fire of hell is much severe in heat. Would that they understood (it). K 9:083 Set 46, Count 110 Therefore if Allah brings you back to a party of them and then they ask your permission to go forth, say: By no means shall you ever go forth with me and by no means shall you fight an enemy with me [in Jihad]; surely you chose to sit the first time, therefore sit (now) with those who remain behind. K 9:086 Set 47, Count 111 And whenever a chapter is revealed, saying: Believe in Allah and strive hard [in Jihad] along with His Apostle, those having ampleness of means ask permission of you and say: Leave us (behind), that we may be with those who sit. K 9:088 Set 48, Count 112 But the Apostle and those who believe with him strive hard [in Jihad] with their property and their persons; and these it is who shall have the good things and these it is who shall be successful. K 9:092 Set 49, Count 113 Yusuf Ali: Nor (is there blame) on those who came to thee to be provided with mounts [saddles on which to go to war], and when thou said, "I can find no mounts for you," they turned back, their eyes streaming with tears of grief that they had no resources wherewith to provide the expenses [to go on Jihad]. K 9:111 Set 50, Count 114 Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement. K 9:120 Set 51, Count 115 Yusuf Ali: It was not fitting for the people of Madina and the Bedouin Arabs of the neighborhood, to refuse to follow Allah's Messenger, nor to prefer their own lives to his: because nothing could they suffer or do, but was reckoned to their credit as a deed of righteousness,- whether they suffered thirst, or fatigue, or hunger, in the cause of Allah [while on a march to Jihad], or trod paths to raise the ire of the Unbelievers [invade their territory], or received any injury whatever from an enemy [during a Jihad battle]: for Allah suffers not the reward to be lost of those who do good; K 9:122-123 Set 52, Count 116+117 [9.122] Pickthall: And the believers should not all go out to fight. Of every troop of them, a party only should go forth, that they (who are left behind) may gain sound knowledge in religion, and that they may warn their folk when they return to them, so that they may beware. [9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). K 16:110 Set 53, Count 118 Yusuf Ali: But verily thy Lord,- to those who leave their homes after trials and persecutions,- and who thereafter strive and fight for the faith and patiently persevere,- Thy Lord, after all this is oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. K 22:039 Set 54, Count 119 Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them; K 22:058 Set 55, Count 120 Sher Ali: And those who leave their homes for the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die, Allah will, surely, provide for them a goodly provision. And, surely, Allah is the Best of providers. K 22:078 Set 56, Count 121 And strive hard [in Jihad] in (the way of) Allah, (such) a striving a is due to Him; He has chosen you and has not laid upon you a hardship in religion; the faith of your father Ibrahim; He named you Muslims before and in this, that the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you, and you may be bearers of witness to the people; therefore keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and hold fast by Allah; He is your Guardian; how excellent the Guardian and how excellent the Helper! K 24:053 Set 57, Count 122 And they swear by Allah with the most energetic of their oaths that if you command them they would certainly go forth [to Jihad (see K 024:055)]. Say: Swear not; reasonable obedience (is desired); surely Allah is aware of what you do. K 24:055 Set 58, Count 123 Allah has promised to those of you who believe and do good that He will most certainly make them rulers in the earth [as a reward for going on Jihad (see K 024:053)] as He made rulers those before them, and that He will most certainly establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them, and that He will most certainly, after their fear, give them security in exchange; they shall serve Me, not associating aught with Me; and whoever is ungrateful after this, these it is who are the transgressors. K 25:052 Set 59, Count 124 Palmer: So obey not the unbelievers and fight strenuously with them in many a strenuous fight. K 29:006 Set 60, Count 125 And whoever strives hard [in Jihad], he strives only for his own soul; most surely Allah is Self-sufficient, above (need of) the worlds. K 29:069 Set 61, Count 126 And (as for) those who strive hard [in Jihad] for Us [Allah], We will most certainly guide them in Our ways; and Allah is most surely with the doers of good. K 33:015 Set 62, Count 127 Pickthall: And verily they had already sworn unto Allah that they would not turn their backs (to the foe) [in Jihad battle]. An oath to Allah must be answered for. K 33:018 Set 63, Count 128 Allah knows indeed those among you who hinder others and those who say to their brethren: Come to us; and they come not to the fight [Jihad] but a little, K 33:020 Set 64, Count 129 They think the allies are not gone, and if the allies should come (again) they would fain [gladly] be in the deserts with the desert Arabs asking for news about you, and if they were among you they would not fight save a little [in Jihad]. K 33:023 Set 65, Count 130 Pickthall: Of the believers are men who are true to that which they covenanted with Allah. Some of them have paid their vow by death (in battle), and some of them still are waiting; and they have not altered in the least. K 33:25-27 Set 66, Count 131-133 [33.25] And Allah turned back the unbelievers in their rage; they did not obtain any advantage, and Allah sufficed the believers in fighting; and Allah is Strong, Mighty. [33.26] And He drove down those of the followers of the Book who backed them from their fortresses and He cast awe into their hearts; some [Jews] you killed and you took captive another part. [33.27] And He made you heirs to their [Jewish] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things. K 33:050 Set 67, Count 134 O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those [captive women] whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her—specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. K 42:039 Set 68, Count 135 Sale: ...and who, when an injury is done them, avenge themselves... K 47:004 Set 69, Count 136 So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish. K 47:020 Set 70, Count 137 And those who believe say: Why has not a chapter been revealed? But when a decisive chapter is revealed, and fighting [allusion to Jihad] is mentioned therein you see those in whose hearts is a disease look to you with the look of one fainting because of death. Woe to them then! K 47:035 Set 71, Count 138 Rodwell: Be not fainthearted then; and invite not the infidels to peace when ye have the upper hand: for God is with you, and will not defraud you of the recompense of your works... K 48:15-24 Set 72, Count 139-148 [48.15] Pickthall: Those who were left behind will say, when ye set forth to capture booty: Let us go with you. They fain would change the verdict of Allah. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Ye shall not go with us. Thus hath Allah said beforehand. Then they will say: Ye are envious of us. Nay, but they understand not, save a little. [48.16] Shakir: Say to those of the dwellers of the desert who were left behind: You shall soon be invited (to fight) against a people possessing mighty prowess; you will fight against them until they submit; then if you obey, Allah will grant you a good reward [booty]; and if you turn back as you turned back before, He will punish you with a painful punishment. [48.17] Pickthall: There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger [by going on Jihad], He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back [from Jihad], him will He punish with a painful doom. [48.18] Certainly Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance to you under the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, so He sent down tranquility on them and rewarded them with a near victory, [48.19] And much booty that they will capture. Allah is ever Mighty, Wise. [48.20] Allah promised you many acquisitions which you will take, then He hastened on this one for you and held back the hands of men from you, and that it may be a sign for the believers and that He may guide you on a right path. [48.21] Sale: And [he also promiseth you] other [spoils], which ye have not [yet] been able [to take]: But now hath God encompassed them [for you]; and God is almighty. [48.22] And if those who disbelieve fight with you, they would certainly turn (their) backs, then they would not find any protector or a helper. [48.23] Such [i.e., the Jihad mentioned the previous verse] has been the course [practice] of Allah that has indeed run before, and you shall not find a change in Allah’s course. [48.24] And He [Allah] it is Who held back their hands from you and your hands from them [in Jihad] in the valley of Mecca after He had given you victory over them; and Allah is Seeing what you do. K 49:015 Set 73, Count 149 Sale: Verily the true believers [are] those only who believe in God and his apostle, and afterwards doubt not; and who employ their substance and their persons in the defense of God's true religion: These are they who speak sincerely. K 59:002 Set 74, Count 150 He it is Who caused those who disbelieved of the followers of the Book to go forth from their homes at the first banishment you did not think that they would go forth, while they were certain that their fortresses would defend them against Allah; but Allah came to them whence they did not expect, and cast terror into their hearts; they demolished their houses with their own hands and the hands of the believers [i.e. Muslims demolished Jewish homes]; therefore take a lesson, O you who have eyes! K 59:5-8 Set 75, Count 151-154 Pickthall:[59.5] Whatsoever palm-trees you cut—cut down or left standing on their roots [during a Jihad siege of the Jews at Madina], it was by Allah's leave, in order that He might confound the evil-livers [Jews]. [59.6] And that which Allah gave as spoil unto His messenger from them, you urged not any horse or riding-camel for the sake thereof, but Allah gives His messenger lordship over whom He will. Allah is Able to do all things. [59.7] That which Allah gives as [war] spoil unto His messenger from the people of the townships [Jews], it is for Allah and His messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, that it become not a commodity between the rich among you. And whatsoever [spoils] the messenger gives you, take it. And whatsoever he forbids, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal. [59.8] And (it is) for the poor fugitives who have been driven out from their homes and their belongings, who seek bounty [war spoils] from Allah and help Allah and His messenger. They are the loyal. K 59:014 Set 76, Count 155 They will not fight against you in a body save in fortified towns or from behind walls; their fighting between them is severe, you may think them as one body, and their hearts are disunited; that is because they are a people who have no sense. K 60:009 Set 77, Count 156 Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion [i.e., no fraternizing with the enemy], and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust. K 61:004 Set 78, Count 157 Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way in ranks as if they were a firm and compact wall. K 61:011 Set 79, Count 158 You shall believe in Allah and His Apostle, and struggle hard in Allah's way [Jihad] with your property and your lives; that is better for you, did you but know! K 61:013 Set 80, Count 159 And yet another (blessing) that you love: help from Allah and a victory [in Jihad] near at hand; and give good news to the believers. K 63:004 Set 81, Count 160 And when you see them, their persons will please you, and If they speak, you will listen to their speech; (they are) as if they were big pieces of wood clad with garments; they think every cry to be against them. They are the enemy, therefore beware of them; may Allah destroy them, whence are they turned back? [This verse speaks of internecine Jihad against Muslims deemed infidels or "hypocrites."] K 64:014 Set 82, Count 161 O you who believe! surely from among your wives and your children there is an enemy to you; therefore beware of them [collaborators with the enemy, especially if the women were once war spoils]; and if you pardon and forbear and forgive, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. K 66:009 Set 83, Count 162 O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be hard against them; and their abode is hell; and evil is the resort. K 73:020 Set 84, Count 163 Surely your Lord knows that you pass in prayer nearly two-thirds of the night, and (sometimes) half of it, and (sometimes) a third of it, and (also) a party of those with you; and Allah measures the night and the day. He knows that you are not able to do it, so He has turned to you (mercifully), therefore read what is easy of the Quran. He knows that there must be among you sick, and others who travel in the land seeking of the bounty of Allah, and others who fight in Allah's way, therefore read as much of it as is easy (to you), and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and offer to Allah a goodly gift, and whatever of good you send on beforehand for yourselves, you will find it with Allah; that is best and greatest in reward; and ask forgiveness of Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. K 76:008 Set 85, Count 164 And they [Muslims] give food out of love for Him [Allah] to the poor and the orphan and the captive [of Jihad]. ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: Zdravko81
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 22:18
KAKO EDNASH NE SE UMORIVTE OD NASILSTVOTO. GO PROPUSHTATE NAVAZNOTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Постирано од: efendija
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 22:22
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Хммммммм,...............ПУСТО ТУРСКО (Македонска народна изрека)
Очигледно е дека многу ве боли да си признаете дека муслиманската нога секаде каде што стапнала носела препород,цивилизација,култура,просперитет,бериќет итн....за разлика од Рисјанската. Ве разбирам,потполно ве разбирам,не случајно е речено дека ВИСТИНАТА БОЛИ! ------------- "Zadovolen sum Allah da mi bide Gospod,Muhammed pejgamber a Islamot vera" |
Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 22:48
Ovaa e licemerije na kvadrat ili lazenje na kvadrat...vistina nikako ne e. ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: Halid ibn Velid
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 22:56
sTO E OVA??? Za da debatiras so nekogo treba da Debatiras na onoj Jazik koj e Poznat za onoj so koj Debatiras!! P.s. Zaboraviv Deka Ti niso nemas od Sebesi,i deka niso ne znais,Ova ti e od Tutorite,Ti kazale stiskaj ENTER,SAMO I TOLKU. P.s.2..Na prasanjeto koe si go postavil na Dogma,Odgoveorenio ti e,ILI TUTORITE SEGA SE NEMOCNI!!?? 
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Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 23:01
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Mocnosta na faktite koi gi iznesuvam ne mozat da bidat pobieni so vasite navredi vrz mojata licnost. Definitvno vaseto ismevanje ja potvrduva vasata nemoc da dikutirate. ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: efendija
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 23:05
Докажи го спротивното!!!
------------- "Zadovolen sum Allah da mi bide Gospod,Muhammed pejgamber a Islamot vera" |
Постирано од: efendija
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 23:06
Ма немој.Јака фаца си,нема што. ------------- "Zadovolen sum Allah da mi bide Gospod,Muhammed pejgamber a Islamot vera" |
Постирано од: Halid ibn Velid
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 23:08
TI I FAKTI-MAGARE I MUZIKA..TAKA DA TI SI STETA ZA OVOJ SVET,POPUSTO GO TROSIS VOZDUHOV. p.S.Napisi be neso so svoja Raka,ne samo Copy,od anti Islamski brosurcinja.. |
Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 23:11
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Vidi efendija tvojata glupost nema kraj.Tebe ne ti smeta vistinata se dodeka nikoj ne ja znae. A koga nekoj ce stane i ce ja kaze togas toa te boli,mislis deka ako jas prestanam da zboruvam deka ti ce bides podobar vernik pa sega vo ovoj moment ima eden koj zboruva utre ce ima uste deset, vistinata e mnogu mozno oruzje efendijo od koe ti se plasis no kako i da e mozes kolku dakas da ja iskrivuvas mojata licnost da plukas i da ja navreduvas no vistinata NE MOZES...leka ti noc efendijo ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 23:12
Places kako i sekogas doktrina koja si ja dobro naucil ostani i placi no vistinata dali od brosurcinja dali od moja raka e edna i ne mozes nito protiv nea ... leka ti noc i na tebe ubavi sonista ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: efendija
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 23:17
Леле,леле, кај беше ти досега? Демек овие другиве се неписмени и ги вртев како што сакам,додека не дојде ти? Абе да знаеш што тропаш не би го посетувал форумов,но,ајде,ионака ни треба некој да не развесели со неговите;пронајдоци; твоето присуство отсега натака ќе го сметам само за шега. А сега наспиј се убаво! ------------- "Zadovolen sum Allah da mi bide Gospod,Muhammed pejgamber a Islamot vera" |
Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 24.Февруари.2008 во 23:21
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Efendija UBAVI SNISTA, a koga ce legnes da spies potrudi se da ne sonuvas mnogu ce ti se fati ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: the king
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 11:43
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templariuse...
ti ova sto si mu napravil kopy-paste od nekoj si fanaticki sajt go narekuvas fakt?????? ne ne ismejuvaj!!!... fakt e samo ona koe e izvadeno od knigite vo koi veruvame(nasiot k*ran i vasata biblija)... se sto e nadvor od toa e cista provokacija i iskazuvanje na omraza... ------------- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 13:13
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Pa se sto naveduvam e samo k*ranot allloooooo ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: Halid ibn Velid
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 13:34
Алооооо!!! На све ти е Одговорено,А ти На ниедно прашанје не си Одговорил,И Искрено не очекувам да Одговориш некогаш, Пошо немаш Капацитет--Алооо!! Разбудисе!! |
Постирано од: ZlatniLiljan
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 13:41
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Edno prasanje do clenovite od Hristijanska veroispoved. Dali bi se soglasile na R. Makedonija da ja osvoi edna Svajcarija ili ako saka zidarski podobro Kanada??? Dali toa za Makedonija ce prestavuva osloboduvanje ili okupacija?? (mojot stav e podobro da sme eden kanton od svajcarskata konfederacija,kolku sto ja poznavam dobro taa zemja, a i pod Kanada bi bilo dobro,, odkolku sto e Makedonija sega vo ovaa situacija kakva sto e) Ve molam bez predrasudi, baram samo slobodno razmisluvanje po ova prasanje. ------------- Islam es Para Todas’’ (“Islam je za svakoga") |
Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 15:21
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Bez apsolutno nikakvi predrasudi kje ti odgovoram na ova prashanje i toa kako chovek koj zhivee vo Kanada i gi spoznal pozitivnite strani na zhiveenjeto vo vakva zemja.
Ne, izrichno sum protiv toa! Od nekolku prichini. Prvo - eden narod ima pravo na sloboda i na upravuvanje so taa sloboda. Okupacija od bilo kakov vid, pa makar i vo forma na podobruvanje na zhivotniot standard i uslovi e losha rabota, zatoa shto toa ne doagja od samiot narod, od vnatre, a doagja od nadvor. Osven toa - shto se sluchuva ako jas se soglasam so toa i smetam deka e pozitivno, a povekjeto lugje smetaat deka e negativno i sakaat Makedonija da si bide pod makedonsko zname, a ne kanadsko? Dali treba da im ja nametnam mojata volja i nim, zatoa shto jas smetam deka znam povekje i znam shto e podobro? Slobodnata volja e najvozvishenoto neshto koe shto chovekot go ima i e dadena direktno od Boga. Slobodnata volja treba da se pochituva i nikogash ne smee da ima opravduvanja za nejzino narushuvanje. Toa shto ti go smetash za napredok i za podobruvanje na zhivotot, pogolemiot del od naselenieto mozhebi nema da go smeta i kje smeta deka e narushuvanje na nivnite prava. Kje ti dadam primer koj ti e poblisku do tvoeto razbiranje - mnogu od amerikancite najiskreno veruvaat deka pravat dobro vo Avganistan so toa shto kje ja oddelat verskata od svetskata vlast i so toa shto kje dadat liberalni zakoni za odnesuvanje na zhenite i lugjeto voopshto. Tie toa go smetaat za podobruvanje na zhivotot na tie lugje i smetaat deka toa kje donese napredok. Toa shto ne go zemaat vo predvid e deka toa e napredok spored zapadnite standardi, no ne spored lokalnata tradicija i religija. Ne razbiraat deka toa shto nie ovde go smetame za sloboda, tamu se smeta za narushuvanje na svetite chuvstva i na osnovite na verata. Zatoa - toa shto tie go pravat e nesoodvetno i ne mozhe da se smeta za podobruvanje, iako od nasha gledna tochka e taka. Se dodeka "unapreduvanjeto" ne trgne od samata zemja i narod, ne e nishto drugo osven porobuvanje. |
Постирано од: Messenger
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 16:56
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zidarski, apsolutno se slozhuvam so tebe. Ne mozhe nikoj da go oslobodi narodot od nego samiot.
Takvata politika na opravduvanje ja koristeshe Velika Britanija koga odeshe vo kolonijalnite porobuvanja. Demek, ne se odeshe da se porobuva, da se eksploatira ili da se menuvaat religiozno-moralno-politichki stavovi, tuku se odeshe da se "prosvetluva" i da se "unapreduva". Posledicite na takvata "pomosh" gi gledame i den denes. ------------- Truth needs no laws to support it. Throughout history only lies and liars have resorted to the courts to enforce adherence to dogma. |
Постирано од: trebo.r.a
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 17:32
| sve toa shto go imash navedeno e BLA BLA BLA i nishto povece. |
Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 17:35
| Shto toa e bla bla bla? Ajde objasni ti togash. |
Постирано од: Halid ibn Velid
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 18:08
Epa togas Vo Makedonija narodot nema Sloboda!! Bidejci ako Makedonija saka da ima podobar Standarden Zivot,togas morat da go Promenet Imeto,da i Udovolet na EU,I Grcija,ako Mak.sakat da bidet vo NATO I EU. E Poveceto Luge ne Sakaat Da se slozat so Menuvanje na Imeto,No ete nekoj Pameten si se Slozil i Reseno...Znaci nekoj sepak si ja nametnuvat Svojata Volja... Togas Zidarski ve prasuvam vam sega ,Kakva e Ovaa Okupacija,koja i se nametnuvat od EU na Makedonija?? Slobodna ili Robovladetelska,i od KOGO??? (iAKO ZA MENE NE E VAZNO KAKO KE SE VIKAT) Samo odev po Vasata Logika.. |
Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 18:44
Apsolutno se soglasuvam! Vo momentot koga nekoj zema vo race pravoto da reshava za prashanje koe e od sudbinsko znachenje za istiot toj narod, a ne go prashuva direktno narodot, togash gi uzurpira slobodite i pravata na toj narod. Kako shto se sluchuva sega vo MK. Ne velam dali e pravilna ili ne idejata da se promeni imeto ili dali kje donese blagosostojba i korist na drzhavata i istiot toj narod - ne e pravilno da se napravi od strana na eden (ili grupa). I - kako preku ova kje gi objasnish arapskite osvojuvanja od 8-mi i 9-ti vek? |
Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 22:38
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Nikoj sem Makedonskiot narod nema da Resava za sudbinata na Makedonija... ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: ZlatniLiljan
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 23:13
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Blagodaram zidarski za tvojot odgovor, navistina mudro. No nasite mislenje se raziduvaat vo nekolku pravci. Prvo koga kazav deka bi bilo podobro Makedonija da bide vo ramkite na Kanada ili na Svajcarija, toa go mislev koga pogolemiot del od narodot toa bi go posakal,pr. 2/3 od naselenieto, a vo nikoj slucaj okupacija, a Makedonskiot narod ocigledno toa go posakuva, sto se potvrduva so stremezot da staneme clenka na EU (toa ce bide poloso odkolku so Kanada i Svajcarija). EU ja ima osvoeno na Makedonija zarem ne, samo na pomoderen nacin? a nie makedonskite gradzani ja posakuvame taa sloboda zatoa sto sega ne sme slobodni izgkeda pod naseto zname i nasata himna, pa podobro nie plavoto evropsko nebo?? Koga zboruvate za sloboda gospodine zidarski, smetam deka pod toa podrazbirate apsolutna sloboda na sekoj covek, a zarem to ne e van granicite na prirodnototo?? zamislete dali imate takva sloboda i nad vaseto telo, srceto vi funkcionira nadvor od vasata zelba, i nemate sloboda da go kontrolirate.. sto mislete za osto e toa taka?? zarem covek ne e tolku sovrseno stvoren od Bog, a On sepak ne mu ima delegirano da moze taa odgovornost da ja ponese? Zarem so toa Bog ne ni kazal deka nasata sloboda e vo granicite na negovata volja? ------------- Islam es Para Todas’’ (“Islam je za svakoga") |
Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 23:19
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Ne zboruvam za apsolutna sloboda na sekoj chovek, a zboruvam za sloboda na voljata!
Ima eden primer shto se dava vo lekciite po demokratsko ureduvanje - ne smee mnozinstvoto da reshava za smetka na osnovnite prava na malcinstvoto, odnosno kako toa bi izgledalo ako 4 volka i 1 jagne glasaat shto kje ima za vechera?! 
Zatoa, primerot shto go davash ti, vo koj mnozinstvoto od naselenieto reshava deka kje bide pod odredena uprava, ne soodvetstvuva na primerot so okupacija na odredena teritorija shto jas go davam prethodno. Idejata deka taa okupacija e "za nivno dobro" e odluka na okupatorot, no stanuva validna i opravdana, samo ako stane so prifakjanje od strana na narodot. |
Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 23:32
Se sl*gam so tvojot stav za vlez vo EU, ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: ZlatniLiljan
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 23:40
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Ne zboruvam za apsolutna sloboda na sekoj chovek, a zboruvam za sloboda na voljata!
Ima eden primer shto se dava vo lekciite po demokratsko ureduvanje - ne smee mnozinstvoto da reshava za smetka na osnovnite prava na malcinstvoto, odnosno kako toa bi izgledalo ako 4 volka i 1 jagne glasaat shto kje ima za vechera?!
Zatoa, primerot shto go davash ti, vo koj mnozinstvoto od naselenieto reshava deka kje bide pod odredena uprava, ne soodvetstvuva na primerot so okupacija na odredena teritorija shto jas go davam prethodno. Idejata deka taa okupacija e "za nivno dobro" e odluka na okupatorot, no stanuva validna i opravdana, samo ako stane so prifakjanje od strana na narodot. Blagodaram za vasiot post, i se soglasuvam parcijalno so vasiot stav,, jas stojam na toa deka slobodata na nasata volja e vo ramkite na Bozjata volja. Sekako ne e dobro mnozinstvoto da izbira za osnovnite prava na malcinstvoto, posledicite ni se jasni gi ima vo site zemji, vo site opstestva, sekade kade hierarhijata e prisutna vo strukturata na nekoja organizaciona edinica. A za vasiot primer, vaseto prasanje za "okupacionata" politika na Arapite vo vremeto na prvite Halifati, InsAllah ce se potrudam utre da ti odgovaram. ------------- Islam es Para Todas’’ (“Islam je za svakoga") |
Постирано од: Messenger
Датум на внесување: 25.Февруари.2008 во 23:51
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Mislam deka treba da se napravi razlika megju teritorijalno osvojuvanje na edna drzhava i vleguvanje vo ekonomsko-politichka unija na ramnopravni drzhavi bez teritorijalni pretenzii. ------------- Truth needs no laws to support it. Throughout history only lies and liars have resorted to the courts to enforce adherence to dogma. |
Постирано од: ZlatniLiljan
Датум на внесување: 26.Февруари.2008 во 01:38
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Mislam deka treba da se napravi razlika megju teritorijalno osvojuvanje
na edna drzhava i vleguvanje vo ekonomsko-politichka unija na
ramnopravni drzhavi bez teritorijalni pretenzii. Gospodine mesi, sekako deka postoi razlika ako gledame od klasicen aspekt, no denesnicata ni pokazuva deka na videlo se posovremeni formi na "okupacija", koja sto nekoi miluvaat da ja kazat bezbolna,a sustinata e ista, pojakiot go pokoruva na poslabiot. Za toa deka site drzavi se ramnopravni vo ekonomsko-politickata unija na tloto na Evropa ne se soglasuvam, sekoja zemja koja pristapuva kon EU e dolzna da gi ispolne uslovite koi od nea se baraat, ne retko tie ne se vo soglasnost so VOLJATA na narodot od zemjata kandidat za clenstvo. (pr. legalizacija na prostitucija i homoseksualizam.. se kosat so voljata na Makedonskite gradzani no nie morame toa da go prifateme) .... Sedisteto na Evropskata banka za obnova i razvoj e vo Frankfurt, a nejzin guverner e Franzuzin i toa nikogas nema da se promeni, pr da bide vo Lubljana a makedonec da bide guverner,, zarem toa nee fakt deka ne retko mnozinsvoto resava i za voljata na malcinstvoto? ------------- Islam es Para Todas’’ (“Islam je za svakoga") |
Постирано од: Messenger
Датум на внесување: 26.Февруари.2008 во 05:15
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ZlatniLjiljan, jas zboruvam da pravime razlika megju vonite i teritorijalnite osvojuvanja i sorabotka na zemjite kako nezavisni teritorijalni subjekti.
Ne odi off-topic. Temata e Krstonoscite i Muslimanskite osvojuvanja. Zboruvame za vojni i teritorijalni osvojuvanja, pokonkrektno od arapite muslimani. ------------- Truth needs no laws to support it. Throughout history only lies and liars have resorted to the courts to enforce adherence to dogma. |
Постирано од: efendija
Датум на внесување: 26.Февруари.2008 во 11:46
A uste pokonkretno od KRSTONOSCITE koi vo IMETO NA HRISTA zbrisale se:vo Amerika gi sotrele indijancite,vo Juzna Amerika Inkite i Maite,vo Afrika VO IMETO NA MIROT I LJUBOVTA KOLONIZIRALE I KOLONIZIRAAT SE PORED,vo Palestina,Cecenija,Irak,Avganistan,Kasmir,Filipini,Etiopija......vcera vo Bosna,Kosovo...ZNACI ZBORUVAME ZA TOA:KAKO MIRNITE HRISTIJANI NIZ CELATA SVOJA ISTORIJA GO SEELE SEMETO NA SVOJATA LJUBENA I MIROLJUBIVA RELIGIJA. ------------- "Zadovolen sum Allah da mi bide Gospod,Muhammed pejgamber a Islamot vera" |
Постирано од: Halid ibn Velid
Датум на внесување: 26.Февруари.2008 во 13:54
Da!! Navistina Nikoj,Samo EU I NIMIC,dovolen dokaz e toa,Ovie dvajca da odlucat,Prifateno le bide od 2 Milioni gragani na Makedonija..Ami prifateno ili ne od Graganite na Makedonija,Pa ne e i tolku vazno...Vazno e so ke rece EU! I Sega koj narod odlucuvat za Makedonija??? Makedonskiot??? 
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Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 26.Февруари.2008 во 15:00
| Interesno e da se vidi do kade kje odite samo i samo da ne odgovorite na temata shto e postavena... |
Постирано од: Messenger
Датум на внесување: 26.Февруари.2008 во 15:47
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Pa znaat sto gi cheka po nivniot sherijatski zakon ako kazhat neshto protiv nekoj drug musliman ili neshto sto mozhe da se svati deka e protiv Islamot.
Basha shto efendija kontrolira kako dobar verski policaec ... i uteruva disciplina sto da se prifati, sto da se ignorira, sto da se odgovori, kako da se odgovori i sto da ne se odgovori. Sto da ti kazham... ljubov, sochuvstvo, sloboda, iskrenost, otvorenost... ------------- Truth needs no laws to support it. Throughout history only lies and liars have resorted to the courts to enforce adherence to dogma. |
Постирано од: Omer El Faruk
Датум на внесување: 27.Февруари.2008 во 21:56
Ova tvoe mislenje ne e nisto drugo,tuku samo refleksna reakcija na tvojata nemoc. Tvojot intelekt e ogranicen i prepoln so zloba.Ednostavno ne si ni dostoen za nekoj da ti replicira,da se proiznesam podobro:Ne vredis ni pet pari.
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Постирано од: DAIJA
Датум на внесување: 27.Февруари.2008 во 22:29
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Koj komu komanduva?????
Vadis pogresni zaklucoci, Dzoni!!! ------------- О следбеници на Книгата, дојдете да се собереме околу зборот нам и вам заеднички: никого освен Бог да не обожуваме и никого да не Му здружуваме! |
Постирано од: Aisha
Датум на внесување: 27.Февруари.2008 во 22:48
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A sto ni demonstriras ti MESS so tvojot pendrek...
Opasna disciplina?!?!?!?! baniraj i birisi se sto ne ni e po kejf, a ??? POradi toa ne bidi smesen i ne posocuvaj durgi, koga tebe kapata ti gori! kratko te drzese taa tvoja ljubeznost i demokratija.... ------------- PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM!!!! |
Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 28.Февруари.2008 во 00:07
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Abe ludje pa sto vi e kriv messenger. Pa samo zboruvame za VASATA socijalna higiena koja sakate da ja implementirate vo VASITE opstestva.... ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 28.Февруари.2008 во 00:09
Ne napadjajte licnost. Ovdeka zboruvame za fakti, A faktite zboruvaat poglasno od sekoja vasa navreda a posle placete kako vie ste obespraveni. ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 28.Февруари.2008 во 00:13
A sto sega ne ti e po kef vistinata, pa zatoa udri po licnosta cccccc e a posto ne veruvas vo demokratija sto se povikuvas na nea, tvojata vera ima stvoreno nagolemi antidemokratski opstestva ati places za demokratija ne mi e jasno... ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: ZlatniLiljan
Датум на внесување: 28.Февруари.2008 во 00:21
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Templar zarem mora sekogas tolku ostar jazik da koristes? Sekogas povrzuvas Islam so terorizam, a Muslimanite site se teroristi vo tvoite oci.. pa najde i da gi odobris krstonosnite vojni sto gi vodi SAD protiv Muslimanite.. i sto uste?? do kade odi tvojata zlo namera protiv Islamot?
------------- Islam es Para Todas’’ (“Islam je za svakoga") |
Постирано од: Aisha
Датум на внесување: 28.Февруари.2008 во 00:22
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Kolku si smesen, duri stanuvas i pateticen...
Pa ako nema samoubici, vie ke gi izmislite, vo sto e razlikata. Napolni kola stavi ja na pazar, i posle musliman bil. Toa se nevini luge izginale, nema nikakva logika musliman da e, ama nema vrska, kako ke kaze dzelatot taka. Za zivot se raboti, mora da pravime kako ke kazat OKUPATORITE.... ------------- PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM!!!! |
Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 28.Февруари.2008 во 00:38
vidi liljane jas rabotam vo muslimanska zemja so muslimani ziveam tamu na rabota, vo ista soba so bosanec spijam toj mi e roommate i nemozes ni ti niti drug nekoj da mi kaze deka mrazam muslimani - ovdeka na forumot ako se vratis malku nazad ce vidis deka imav pocit kon grupata na efendija no posle nivniot radikalen stav ne moam da gi narecam muslimani ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 28.Февруари.2008 во 01:23
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Vratete se site na temata - ako prodolzhite so politichki diskusii i so lichnostni ocenki kje bidete ili izbrishani ili banirani. Toa se pravilata na forumot - pochituvajte gi! Ova vazhi za site!
Vratete se na temata, ve molam. |
Постирано од: ZlatniLiljan
Датум на внесување: 28.Февруари.2008 во 01:25
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Brisi zidarski, sme zadremele malce pa sme zalutale vo politika. Prostevaj
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Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 28.Февруари.2008 во 01:28
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da se sl*gam so liljanov ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: Templarius
Датум на внесување: 28.Февруари.2008 во 16:15
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Mora da se priznae deka ima mnogu fakti koi sto ne odat vo prilog na Evropskite osvojuvanja za vreme na
krstonosnite vojni.No za da dojdeme do nekoja vistina mora da go vidime povodot koj dovel do toa povod koj dovel da zapocnat krstonostnite vojni. Ce se potrudam preku edna vremenska tabela da odgovoram na ovaa prasnje a i tuka uste ce bidat odgovreni nekoi drugi prasanja. Znaci ne mi e cel da gi branam krstonoscite tuku samo na eden naucen nacin da prijdam na taa problemtaki i da objasnam mnogu nedorazbiranja. Za da go rasbereme ovaa treba da se slozime so faktite koi bile aktuelni vo toa vreme sto znaci deka togas vo toa vreme imalo razni faktori koi ne se prisutni denes. Znaci sakam da pokazam sto dovelo sto bilo inicijalna kapsula za lansiranje na krstonosnite vojni, ce koristam istoriski izvori koi za zal se na angliski, no mislam deka toa ne menuva mnogu.Znaci sto dovede do pjava na krstonoscite i kako dojde do toa pa vaka: 630 Two years before Muhammad's death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized. He turned around and went home, but not before extracting 'agreements' from northern tribes. They could enjoy the 'privilege' of living under Islamic 'protection' (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax (jizya). This tax sets the stage for Muhammad's and the later Caliphs' policies. If the attacked city or region did not want to convert to Islam, then they paid a jizya tax. If they converted, then they paid a zakat tax. Either way, money flowed back to the Islamic treasury in Arabia or to the local Muslim governor. 632—634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax. Islam does not allow for religious freedom. 633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al—Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616—17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today's Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034—35). 634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al—Walid. An unnamed Muslim remarks: 'The Romans are so numerous and the Muslims so few.' To this Khalid retorts: 'How few are the Romans, and how many the Muslims! Armies become numerous only with victory and few only with defeat, not by the number of men. By God, I would love it . . . if the enemy were twice as many' (Tabari, 11:94 / 2095). Osama bin Ladin quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This philosophy of death probably comes from a verse like Sura 2:96. Muhammad assesses the Jews: '[Prophet], you are sure to find them [the Jews] clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even polytheists' (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur'an, Oxford UP, 2004; first insertion in brackets is Haleem's; the second mine). 634—644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al—Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal. 635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus 636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk. 637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al—Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636) 638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines. 638—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea. 639—642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt. 641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine. 643—707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa. 644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar. 644—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind. 656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son—in—law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet's daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph. 656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad's wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman's assassination. Ali's partisans win. 657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali 661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali's supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina. 661—680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus 673—678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire 680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad's grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq. 691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad's death. 705 Abd al—Malik restores Umayyad rule. 710—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley. 711—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place. 719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governor 732 The Muslim Crusaders stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance 749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids 756 Foundation of Umayyid amirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids 762 Foundation of Baghdad 785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova 789 Rise of Idrisid amirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed. 800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia 807 Caliph Harun al—Rashid orders the destruction of non—Muslim prayer houses and of the church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem 809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy 813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country 831 Muslim Crusaders capture Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy 850 Caliph al—Matawakkil orders the destruction of non—Muslim houses of prayer 855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria) 837—901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France 869—883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq 909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia 928—969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969) 937 The Ikhshid, a particularly harsh Muslim ruler, writes to Emperor Romanus, boasting of his control over the holy places 937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims; more churches in Jerusalem are attacked 960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam 966 Anti—Christian riots in Jerusalem 969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo c. 970 Seljuks enter conquered Islamic territories from the East 973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids 1003 First persecutions by al—Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed 1009 Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by al—Hakim (see 937) 1012 Beginning of al—Hakim's oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians 1015 Earthquake in Palestine; the dome of the Dome of the Rock collapses 1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus 1048 Reconstruction of the Church of the Resurrection completed 1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (aka Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law. 1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate 1055 Confiscation of property of Church of the Resurrection 1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia 1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine 1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders) 1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia 1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana 1085 Toledo is taken back by Christian armies 1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca 1090—1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands 1094 Byzantine emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help against Seljuk invasions of his territory; Seljuks are Muslim Turkish family of eastern origins; see 970 1095 Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099 Jas nema da donesam zaklucok ostavam na vas da go donesete dali krstonosnite vojni bile opravdani?? Deka bile inicirani od obesta na Zapadot se gleda deka ne se ?? Deka se odogovr na nasilstvo so nasilstvo ???? Sto mislite vie???? Znaci pak prasuvam sto mislite vie??? ------------- Give me your secrets Bring me a sign Give me a reason To walk the fire See another dawn Through our son's eyes You give me a reason To walk the fire. |
Постирано од: zidarski
Датум на внесување: 28.Февруари.2008 во 16:23
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Lichno smetam deka reakcijata bila opravdana, nachinot na koj toa bilo storeno ne.
Znachi - ne gi opravduvam krstonosnite vojni vo formata vo koja se odvivale, no deka bile inicirani od postapkite na sprotivnata strana, toa e tochno. Istotaka - vo kontekst na ovaa tema - seushte nikoj ne objasni za arapskite osvojuvanja i nivnata ochigledna kontradiktornost so k*ranskite ajeti... Nekolku vetuvanja dobivme deka kje ima objasnuvanje, ama seushte nema... |