Генетиката на Славјаните
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Тема: Генетиката на Славјаните
Постирано од: naemnik
Наслов: Генетиката на Славјаните
Датум на внесување: 26.Ноември.2007 во 11:07
Ovoa e nesho novo u vrska so Genetikata za taka narechenite Slavjani:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez - ON PUB MED
https://commerce.metapress.com/content/c3ht013txp686v71/resource-secured/?target=fulltext.html&sid=0xjumnazudtbbb455g4wu455&sh=www.springerlink.com - ONLINE PAPER
Title: evidence for the Slavic homeland in the middle Dnieper basin.
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Two genetically distant groups of Slavic populations were revealed: one
encompassing all Western-Slavic, Eastern-Slavic, and two
Southern-Slavic populations, and one encompassing all remaining
Southern Slavs.
The observed northern Slavic Y-STR
genetic homogeneity extends from Slovakia and Ukraine to parts of
Russia and Belarus, but also involves Southern-Slavic populations of
Slovenia and western Croatia, and is the most probably due to a
homogeneous genetic substrate inherited from the ancestral Slavic
population. However, due to the Y-STR proximity of linguistically and
geographically Southern-Slavic Slovenes and western Croats to the
northern Slavic branch, the observed genetic differentiation cannot
simply be explained by the separation of both Slavic-speaking groups by
the non-Slavic Romanians, Hungarians, and Germanspeaking Austrians
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Thus, the contribution of the Y
chromosomes of peoples who settled in the region before the Slavic
expansion to the genetic heritage of Southern Slavs is the most likely
explanation for this phenomenon. On the other hand, our results
indicate no significant genetic traces of pre-sixth-century inhabitants
of present-day Slovenia in the Slovene Y chromosome genetic pool. |
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Постирано од: naemnik
Датум на внесување: 26.Ноември.2007 во 11:09
So drugi zborovi, i da e imalo nesho kako doagjanje na Sloveni, tie sa bile relativno malku i se izmeshale so ostanatio del od Balkanskata Populacija....
It would mean:
If the there is a genetical difference between northern and southern Slavic groups, then it means that:
a) Balkans was heavily populated;
b) it would require a very large number of people to Slavicize them.
The first one is denied by historians who claim that Balkans was
largely uninhabited, that Romans, Huns, Goths have exterminated most of
the natives. This however lacks any evidence, but this theory was
created for the sake of the Slavic Migration theory as an explanation.
The second point is physically impossible and is unattested in
source. Only small warrior groups in alliance with the Avar warrior
class invaded.
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Постирано од: borec
Датум на внесување: 09.Јануари.2008 во 19:35
THE MAKING OF THE SLAVS - Florin CurtaCambridge University Press 0521802024 - The Making of the Slavs: History and Archaeology of the Lower Danube Region, c. 500-700 Florin Curta
Excerpt More information
INTRODUCTION
Mein
Freund, das ist Asien! Es sollte mich wundern, es sollte mich hö ch-
lichst wundern, wenn da nicht Wendisch-Slawisch-Sarmatisches im Spiele
gewesen wä re. (Thomas Mann, Der Zauberberg)
To many, Eastern Europe is nearly synonymous with Slavic Europe. The equation is certainly not new. To
Hegel, the “East of Europe” was the house of the “great Sclavonic
nation,” a body of peoples which “has not appeared as an independent
element in the series of phases that Reason has assumed in the World”.1
If necessary, Europe may be divided into western and eastern zones along a number of lines, according to numerous criteria. Historians, however, often work with more than one set of criteria. The
debate about the nature of Eastern Europe sprang up in Western
historiography in the days of the Cold War, but despite Oskar Halecki’s
efforts explicitly to address the question of a
specific chronology and history of Eastern Europe, many
preferred to write the history of Slavic Europe, rather than that of
Eastern Europe.2 Today, scholarly interest in Eastern Europe
focuses especially on the nineteenth and twen- tieth centuries, the
period of nationalism. The medieval history of the area is given
comparatively less attention, which often amounts to slightly more than
total neglect. For most students in medieval studies, Eastern Europe is marginal and East European topics simply exotica. One
reason for this historiographical reticence may be the uneasiness to
treat the medieval history of the Slavs as (Western) European history. Like
Settembrini, the Italian humanist of Thomas Mann’s Magic Mountain, many
still point to the ambiguity of those Slavs, whom the eighteenth-
century philosophes already viewed as “Oriental” barbarians.3 When Slavs come up in works on the medieval history of Europe, they are usually the marginalized, the victims, or the stubborn pagans. In
a recent and brilliant book on the “making of Europe,” the Slavs, like
the Irish, appear only as the object of conquest and colonization,
which shaped medieval Europe. Like many others in more recent
times, the episodic role of the Slavs in the history of Europe is
restricted to that of victims of the “occid- entation,” the shift
towards the ways and norms of Romano-Germanic civilization.4 The
conceptual division of Europe leaves the Slavs out of the main “core”
of European history, though not too far from its advancing frontiers of
“progress” and “civilization.” Who were those enigmatic Slavs? What made them so difficult to represent by the traditional means of Western historiography? If Europe itself was “made” by its conquerors and settlers, who made the Slavs? What were the historical conditions in which this ethnic name was first used and for what purpose? How was a Slavic ethnicity formed and under what circumstances did the Slavs come into being?
FULL REPORT ON: http://my.opera.com/ancientmacedonia/blog/show.dml/450543 - http://my.opera.com/ancientmacedonia/blog/sho...
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Постирано од: majstorce62
Датум на внесување: 10.Јануари.2008 во 12:24
Ако биле малку како тогаш успеале да го наметнат јазикот. Обично малцинството се губи во мнозинството. Или ова е историски исклучок?
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Постирано од: borec
Датум на внесување: 10.Јануари.2008 во 14:34
majstorce62 напиша:
Ако биле малку како тогаш успеале да го наметнат јазикот. Обично малцинството се губи во мнозинството. Или ова е историски исклучок? |
A be si igrale so nas kako sto sakale.
Tuku gledaj ja OVAA GENETIKA:
- Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia and
Macedonia = 75% Dinaric, 10% West
Mediterranean (most common on the coast), 10% Noric and 5% Neo-Danubian
(most common in the north) = 15% periphery Nordish types
- Albania = 75%
Dinaric, 10% West Mediterranean, 10% Alpine, 5% Noric = 5% periphery
Nordish
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A se zapochnuva od Nordish rasata pa se shiri na Balkanot:
- Nordish or Northern European Race
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- 1. Inner Circle of Core or Central Subracial
Types
- a. Aboriginal Northwest European subraces
(The descendants of the first peoples to settle in northwest
Europe, who retreated to refuge areas in southern France and
northern Spain during the Last Glacial Maximum of 20,000-15,000
years ago [18,000-13,000 B.C.], and then re-expanded northward
along the coasts of the Atlantic and the North Sea during the
final phase of the Upper Paleolithic period circa 15,000-10,000
years ago [13,000-8,000 B.C.])
- 1.) Borreby subrace (named after Danish island
site where paleolithic remains were found; principal element
in Denmark, southwest coast of Sweden, northern Germany, the
Rhineland and the Ruhr, majority element in Wallonia)
- 2.) Brünn subrace (named after paleolithic
site near Brno, or Brünn, Czech Republic; predominant element
in western Ireland)
- b. Nordic or Nordid subrace (The modern Nordic
subrace is probably descended from an ancient blending of several
proto-Nordic populations whose ancestors spent the Last Glacial
Maximum in refuge areas in the Balkans
http://www.racialcompact.com/nordishrace.html - http://www.racialcompact.com/nordishrace.html
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Постирано од: naemnik
Датум на внесување: 10.Јануари.2008 во 15:42
majstorce62 напиша:
Ако биле малку како тогаш успеале да го наметнат јазикот. Обично малцинството се губи во мнозинството. Или ова е историски исклучок? |
A od kade znaeme kakov Bil jazikot vo Antichka Makedonija i Trakija?
Od toa sho e ostanato, ima dovolno zborovi tie jazici da bidat smetani za Slichni jazici kako i Deneshniot Jazik (Slavjanski) na Balkanot, so Grchki Primesi!!!
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Постирано од: majstorce62
Датум на внесување: 11.Јануари.2008 во 08:33
naemnik напиша:
majstorce62 напиша:
Ако биле малку како тогаш успеале да го наметнат јазикот. Обично малцинството се губи во мнозинството. Или ова е историски исклучок? | A od kade znaeme kakov Bil jazikot vo Antichka Makedonija i Trakija?Od toa sho e ostanato, ima dovolno zborovi tie jazici da bidat smetani za Slichni jazici kako i Deneshniot Jazik (Slavjanski) na Balkanot, so Grchki Primesi!!! |
Ако Власите создавале неологизми за да се диферентираат од Словените ( со кои велиш имале сличен јазик) за да ги зачуваат корените и националниот идентитет, можам да ја прифатам твојата теза.
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Постирано од: naemnik
Датум на внесување: 11.Јануари.2008 во 11:47
majstorce62 напиша:
Ако Власите создавале неологизми за да се диферентираат од Словените ( со кои велиш имале сличен јазик) за да ги зачуваат корените и националниот идентитет, можам да ја прифатам твојата теза. |
nikoj ne te tera da veruvash u nesho. Ete ti nekoj drugi teoriji sho kruzirat na Balkano:
Romancite sa Dakijci, ali zborat Bastardized Latin a do vchera pishuvaa na Kirilica i zborea na nekoj http://www.cimec.ro/Istorie/neacsu/eng/letter.htm - chuden Slavjanski dialekt
Bugari sa Slavjani a od Tatarsko poteklo, i sa najgolemite na Balkano. Sichko e blgarichesko, bez razlika dali e taka ili ne.
Vlasi se mislat deka sa Grci ili ne znam sho se ne, od ofchari stanaa najgolemite Makedonci i toa Antichki Makedonci, ne pomalku ne poveke. Poveke ke se razberat so Shiptarite i Romancite, ama oni sa Grci.....
Grcite i celio svet veruva deka Ko Slavjanite navodno dovagjale, zakochile na Deneshnata granica na Grcija, i rekle nem ne odeme veke natam oti ne sakame da ja upropasteme Lulkata na evropskata Civilizacija, ali odluchile deka gornio del od Makedonija da go poebat. 99% od deneshnata Grchka Onomastika e cut copy paste od Antichkite Dialekti. I ne e chudo do fchera se karaa i tepaa koj jazik od Antikata da go stavat Za Kodificiran, Katharevusa, Demothiki Ili nekoj Avranite Shiptarski jazik. Ali toa veke odamna e zabraveno i Javna tajna.
Shiptarite koji navodno sa od Ilirsko poteklo prezhivejale samo u dolnio Del na Ilirskata Teritorija, dodeka Bosna Hrvatska cela Dalmacija i Slovenija sho bile Ilirska teritorija ojdele da dojdat. 90% od Topografijata u Shqiptarija ima Slavjanski Koreni,ama oni se sepak Golemite Illyrci!! A deka u deneshen Azerbedzan ima Albanija antichka nikoj ne go bole. I ne samo toa, tuku pochinjat Shiptaranata da vikat deka te demek Antichkite Makedonci sa bile od Illyrsko poteklo, pa zatoa i oni sa Antichki Makedonci.
Hrvatite se pravat deka sa ne znam koj od Iran, Srbite se pravat deka sa Sarmatijani etc.
Makedoncite si se kazhuvat Bugari, ili Srbi ili Grci ili Slavjani i ne ti znam sho ne, a nikoj ne saka da bide Makedonec, i se negirat samite sebe do poseruvanje.
Dobri sa tie teorii i fakti, pa ti si odluchi u koja ke veruvash ili ke praesh,
DEMO > NAROD KRATIA> Da mu skratesh
kaj nas ochigledno pameto pred se e skraten.
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