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Racial Images of Albanians
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Народ што се вика Албанци уопшто не се староседелци на Балканот.
Или пак некои Илири?! Вистината е сосема другачија.

Порекло им е од Кавказ.У античко време беше една позната држава на кавказ по име Албанија.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania
Албанија на кавказ била имеѓу Каспоско море и врх на Кавказ.Северно од Албанија наогала се земља на Алани,северозападно беа Ибери а западно и јужно беа Јермени.
Во тоа време имаше еден град по името Албана.По неговото име ја и земљата нареколе Албанија.
Старата Албанија била позната по борбени и големи кучиња,тј кавкаски овчари.Во времето на Александар Македонски кога ја освоил Азија пред него дошол некој владар на Албанијаи подарил му еден голем борбен овчар.Пошто Албаниа била сиромашна Александар не се задржил таму и само поминал.

За овие Албанци од Азија имале и древните историчари запишано во времето на битката Gaugamela


Александар Македонски ги победил сите народи и меѓу ниф и Албанци.

Во осмиот век Арапи заземале голем дел око Касписко море и Кавказ.Сите становници ги преобратиле во ислам и ги воделе во битки со христианите.На средоземно море се водешеа поголеми војни помеѓу Арапи као представници на ислам и Ромеи(тогашња Византија)као представник на христианството.Арапи го земале поголемиот дел на Сицилија и еден мал дел на јужна Италија.Сицилиа беше поделена на два дела-Арапски и христиански.Али после некое врме Христијаните ги потепале Арапите и меѓу ниф и голем дел од Албанците и некоји ги преобратиле во христианство.

Византија напаѓа Србија во 1042 година,кроз Епир ама младиот Српски цар Војислав ги исече Византиците во две битки.Оваков тежок пораѕ го вознемири Цариград.Византискиот заповедник во Сицилија по името Ѓорге виканиот "Manijak"одлучи да направи буна и преземе Цариград.Во своите војски ги поведе и Албанците што останале на Сицилија.
После искрцавање во Драч Ѓорге виканиот "Manijak" поваѓа во Цариград,ама војската што била верна на кралот го пресретна "Manijak" кај Дојранско езеро и го отепа "Manijak".Целата војска беше предадена.Византија ги прими војниците али не и Албанците,на ниф им беше допуштено да се вратат дома,на Кавказ.Албанците не се вратиа дома него сакале да останат во поубава земља.Дојдоа до местото Рабан и го замолеле кралот на Србија да ги пошти во планините да чуват кози,на ниф и на Србите.

Срби по Рабанот ги нареколе Рабани односно Арбанаси,а странците ги викале Албанци бидејки знаеле од каде се.Подоцна Турците ги нареколе Арнаути што на Арапски значи-Тиа што не се вратиле-
Они стварно останале на Блаканот останале во Србија,денешна северна Албанија...
Албанците себе си нарекувале како Шќипари а својта земља Шќиперија..На нивниот јазик зборот шќипе значи-Крш..Брдо и камење.А шќипар(денеска шиптар)во преводот значи планински-селски човек..Српски верзија-Брѓанин..

Значи Албанците не се Илири,ниту староседелци во Европа..Тие лаги морат да престанат...А и по самите Албанци можеме да видиме дека се од Азија..


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dobra prikazna ...  samo sto nema vrska so realnosta ... a za kavkaz... site znaeme koj poteknuva os tamu...
....INDEPENDENCE IS BETTER THAN SEX...
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pak ke recam ludilo...istorija veke ne e za citanje...ne mislam na forumov..voopsto...ova e neviden haos od razlicni i totalno sprotistaveni informacii..i vo so da se veruva....veke vo nisto ...samo do treto koleno i nisto poveke...
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Не не во право си е човекот,ова е тотално историски издржано и со факти и со записи.Албанците арнаути се племе од Кавказ,а овие другите се комбинација од власи словени илири.Затоа има огромна разлика меѓу нив.
За нея ние живеемъ,за нея ние мремъ!
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Нема ништо расистичко...Само докази дека Албанците не се Илири ниту староседелци....
Знае се кој бил староседелец....Македоници,Грци,и Древните Илири...
Кога дошле словените сите се измешале а Албанците од Кавказ дошле во 10 век...
И прифатиле христианство све док не дошле Турци па ги врателе во нивната муслиманска вера...

Ама и ден денес има православни цркви во Албанија а има и многу Католици..

Orthodox cathedral in Berat.
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kako go objasnuvas toa?
Zeleo bih da te, vezanih ociju, prepoznajem u hiljadama.Ala bih se napipao!
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site znaeme deka albancite bile hristijani ... toa ne e nisto novo ... no deka potekloto im e od kavkaz moze da se slusa samo od vas(mislam na srbite , bugarite,grcite i tie sto se srbo- bugarski mix...)
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za imeto albanija ... taa na albanski se vika Shqiperia sto znaci "mesto na orelite"... na angliski na orelot mu se vika "ALBOS" ...tuka ti e objasnuvanjeto...ALBANIA - the land of albos ...
nie i den denes imame ilirski zborovi i denesniot jazik ni e mnogu slicen so ilirskiot (pred iljadnici godini)...
 
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Originally posted by Pacifist Pacifist напиша:

site znaeme deka albancite bile hristijani ... toa ne e nisto novo ... no deka potekloto im e od kavkaz moze da se slusa samo od vas(mislam na srbite , bugarite,grcite i tie sto se srbo- bugarski mix...)



- so zboris?!
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Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich:


The Albanian racism towards the neighbours is based on historical falsifications





Vitomir Dolinski: An interview with the persecuted albanian academic prof. Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich








VD: - You are regarded as a unique, albanian Mandela, but also as a political prisoner-record holder on the Balkan. For the insufficiently informed, at the beginning, tell us briefly about this?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - In former Yugoslavia I was sentenced two years strict imprisonment, allegedly for propaganda against the socialism and the “brotherhood and unity”. After I served the punishment to the last day in the jail Idrizovo, wishing to escape to the Soviet Union I got stuck in Albania with which the USSR exactly those days severed its diplomatic relations. After the ten-year internment I was arrested by the albanian authorities and sentenced 43 years of a most monstrous imprisonment, again allegedly for antigovernment propaganda, in possession of some revolver without license, preparing to escape and for insulting the investigator. Thus, in total I am sentenced 45 years, of which 37 for antigovernment propaganda, with which I think that I am the most heavily sentenced political prisoner on the Balkan and maybe I am a unique world record holder. Actually, if it wasn’t for the (political) changes in Albania I would probably have still been in jail today. To this sentence needs to be added the severed marriage in Yugoslavia, in which fortunately I didn’t have any children and also the second marriage, in Albania, in which I had two children. During the whole time of my incarceration, not only that I wasn’t allowed to see my children, but I didn’t even know if they were alive. No one was allowed to visit me, or to give me a piece of bread. Not even the other prisoners. Those who did that were punished and the poet Gani Shkudra, who came to see me, not only that they didn’t allow him to see me, but in front of the jail, on the spot, they arrested him and sentenced him with 10 years imprisonment, allegedly for political propaganda. The only transgression attributed to him in the accusation is recorded as: “he had gone to the jail Burel to see the public enemy Kaplan Resuli and brought him bread”. While I was languishing in the infamous jail Burel, ten times they skinned me alive, literally, wanting from
me to abandon my yugoslavian (montenegrin) citizenship, the yugoslavian (montenegrin) nationality, my ideals, even my children. They were forcing me to declare myself an Albanian, not only as citizen, but in nationality (ethnicity). Several times they attempted to liquidate me, even after I was released from jail, three times they have attempted to assassinate me – twice in Tirana and once in Geneva. The Albanians themselves, not only my friends, but even the others who were antagonistic towards me, while I was in my jail cells, pronounced me an albanian Mandela. Even my most open adversary, the albanian writer Ismail Kadare, those days, the beginning of the nineties, in his attempts to befriend the european circlesand Amnesty International who were involved in my freeing, did not shirk from naming me a martyr and a hero of Albania.

VD: - Before we turn towards that period and to Your specific relationship with the most famous, but undoubtedly the most controversial person of the albanian academy, as well, Ismail Kadare, lets return to the most important phases of your creative activities which led to Your wider literary and scientific affirmation?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - In Dubrovnik in 1952 I published the poem “Bojana” in which I openly named Yugoslavia and Albania, Golgotha, in which the people struggle and suffer. I was instantly called on the phone by my “countryman” Milovan Gjilas who then threatened me that he will squeeze my head so hard that instead of singing I would begin to wail.And it turned out thus. I hear in Yugoslavia he is regarded as the No.1 dissident. If truly there is no other person, then I know that I was that at least a little bit before him.

VD: - Your first jail sentence, unfortunately, occurred to You in Macedonia, where for some time in that period You worked as an educator?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Yes, I was a tutor in Tetovo when they arrested me. As it can be seen from the charges, in Macedonia I had done nothing wrong. I was accused that, allegedly, I had been involved in an antigovernment propaganda
in Montenegro. And because I was and am a montenegrin citizen, the court proceedings should have been there, in my birth town of Ulcinj. The reason for my prosecution in Tetovo was that there I didn’t have any relatives and UDBa (yugoslavian state security), which knew that I am absolutely innocent, was afraid that my prosecution among my Ulcinj people could
provoke some unwanted problems. For that reason it ordered my prosecution in Tetovo, behind closed doors. Although I am not from Tetovo, the people of this town, especially my students knew me well, as a professor and as a writer. Along the streets of the town from the court to the jail I was greeted with an open support from many of them and most likely for many of them it will be interesting to know that the key UDBa witness against me was then their collaborator, now allegedly a big fighter for the albanian cause, Adem Demaçi. The state prosecutor in his concluding talk, accusing me as “agens
spiritus” of the yugoslavian youth against the regime and seeking to be charged as such, stated that I had been and hoped that I will continue to be in future, as well, a “constructive citizen” of Yugoslavia. It is interesting that
Fatos Nano (albanian socialist premier) after my release from jail, here in Geneva described me as a “constructive citizen” of Albania, asking me to return there, in Tirana.

VD: - Your first more significant life’s disappointment, You said, implanted in You the idea to leave for the Soviet Union, but fate wanted again to play with you in a brutal fashion and “retain” You many years in the albanian jail Burel?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - True, that was some time after my completion of the jail sentence in Idrizovo. Burel was not a jail, but a place of horror. While in Idrizovo they would say “You are not here for us to fatten you up, but to count your bones” in Burel it was: “This place is called Burel, where one can get in, but can not get out”.

VD: - The numerous works which You wrote here most likely helped You to strengthen your spirit and, eventually, to survive. Actually, exactly here is created your most famous work, the novel “Treason”?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - From approximately 200,000 pages written during those thirty years, half of them I succeeded in transferring out of jail and to have them here, in Geneva. The other part was taken from me by the authorities and I have no idea what has happened with them. The novel “Treason”, otherwise, the Albanians themselves proclaimed it as
a masterpiece of the albanian literature. One of the most eminent albanian critics, Prof. Tajar Zavaljani, even described it as the only worthy work published in Albania after World War II. That type of reception for the novel in Albania and amongst the albanian diaspora perturbed Enver Hoxha (Hodzha) who was attempting to establish his likeminded relative Ismail
Kadare as the greatest albanian literary. That is why all of a sudden they “discovered” that I had not written the novel,attempting even to physically eliminate me, but it had been the work of Adem Demaçi (Demaky), for whom they were hoping that,in the meantime, he would perish in the yugoslavian jails. Since Demaçi got out of jail alive and I also survived, now,
via the printed media, they have widened a campaign against me, unseen in the history of mankind, which, imagine, the novel had been written for me by UDBa, in order to establish myself with it in Albania and thus usurp the government from Enver.

V.D. - Thus far twice, in similar context, You mentioned Kadare and I would like to remind You of 1991 when Amnesty International, as well, engages in the requests for Your release from jail and, absurdly, the one who attempted to block it was none other, but Kadare. How, actually, could that be explained?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Kadare is catapulted in the West by Ramiz Alija and the widow of Enver Hoxha, with a well planned mission. At that time it was only one of his missions – to diminish my credibility amongst the albanian public and the diaspora, fearing that I may unmask them, spoiling their future plans. For that reason, not only in private, as was
the case with Adem Demaçi, but also publicly, at meetings and via the printed media he barked against me and would accuse me, as they were instructing him from Tirana. Kadare and Demaçi are the main conspirators in of the most monstrous demonstrations in the history of mankind, when they strirred the albanian professors and students at Prishtina university to demonstrate in February 1991 against my release from jail.

VD: - On the subject “Kadare” You have up till now written much, to which special attention in the albanian public, but also in the european community have attracted Your books “The true face of Ismail Kadare” and “The lies do not alter the truth”. When, actually, began Your rivalry and what is, as You have mentioned, his well planned mission?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - In these books, actually, with documents and with facts, but also with his own self confessions, I have proven that he is catapulted in the West as an agent of Sigurimi (albanian state security), because he was that from always. As a principal ideolog of Enver, with secret interpretations on our works he was “passing judgment” for our maltreatments, internments and arrests. Actually, this was publicly stated, on Albanian Radio-Television in 1996 by the former head of Sigurimi, Zylfiar Ramizi, verifying that Kadare was in their service under the pseudonym General. He was a provocateur trained by Sigurimi to accuse anyone who, according to him, stood in his way, as he did that with me. And why?
Because academic professor Dimitar Suterilji, in his principal paper which he read out at the second Congress of Albanian Writers, placed my name and novel before his. At one plenum of the Union in 1966 I openly criticised him, which enraged him, as he was not used to being criticised. Much later, after my release from jail, a major from Sigurimi involved in my arrest openly declared that, although totally innocent, they had arrested me because they had received a secret 12-page long accusation against me and my activities, exactly from Kadare. In the meantime, he totally put his pen and talent in the
service of his benefactor Enver whose political speeches he was transforming into poems and novels. I don’t know if you are aware of the fact that Kadare published a complimentary poem lauding Enver’s “patriotic” dog, which somewhere at the border catches and pulls apart some unfortunate Albanian, only because the poor soul attempted to escape from Enver’s paradise. These are only a few pieces of evidence about the moral profile of the “great” literary and “certain” Nobel prize winner Ismail Kadare, whose main preoccupation today is to poison and deceive the West with the albanian historical falsifications about the alleged famous illiryan-albanian past and culture, which, what absurdity, had suffered multi-centuries harm from the activities of its surrounding barbaric “slavic” peoples.

VD: - This is, I think, an opportune moment to begin our discussion for Your third, certainly an important segment, as well, of Your writings – the scientific-research work. You have published numerous works from the sphere of the albanian historiography and linguistics, which brought You significant prestige, scientific titles and also an honorary membership in the Albanian Science Academy. When did actually begin Your scientific interest for the Albanology?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Already in 1995 at the university of Skopje it became clear to me that there will not be peace on the Balkan until the albanian question is clarified. For that reason I switched from the law faculty to the albanological studies and here, contrary to what was being said and written not only by the albanian, but also by our, yugoslavian scholars, contrary to what is being taught not only in the albanian language schools (in Albania, as well as in Macedonia), but also in the schools of “south-slavic” languages, I discovered that not only the Albanians are not autochthonous people, but they are also not related in any way to the Pelasgians or the Illyrians. Understandably, not one of the professors in albanology has said this to me. They still continued with the tale that allegedly Albanians are autochthonous pelasgoillyrian descendants. I discovered that by chance, studying the albanian language, which, all agree,
is of the type SATEM. According to that global division of languages, researching the illyrian language I discovered that it is of the type KENTUM. The most elementary logic was saying to me that one SATEM language can not be a direct descendant, not even a kind of derivative of some KENTUM language, without a change of its substrate. Since the albanian language does not have any changes in its substrate, that means that the Albanians can’t be, under any circumstance, genealogical descendants of the Illyrians. Later I discovered this, as well, in the works of the world renown professors and scholars Paul, Hirt, Vaigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Puscariu and many others, who with numerous scholarly arguments, linguistic and historical, have proven that the Albanians not only do not have anything in common with the Illyrians, not only that they are not autochthonous at any place in the Balkan, but they are not even autochthonous in the territories of modern day Albania. Vaigand for example has formulated 12 arguments. To all of those I’ve added another five. Unfortunately, these scientists are not being mentioned in (the study) Albanology, nor in Albania, nor aret they mentioned in Yugoslavia, or in Macedonia, because the albanian professors consciously hide the truth about the origins of the Albanians and, instead of it (the truth), to their pupils and students they serve up the lies about their autochthony and illyrian origin.
Via those lies they poison the whole nation. This is not done accidentally, but with the aim to incite the Albanians against the neighbouring nations, thus, hooking them on the “fishing line” of some invented, wide ethnic territories, to use them as cannon fodder for the interests of some criminalised leaders and the international Capital. The primary motive that inspired me to oppose the albanian pseudo science about their illyrian origin was the truth, the love for the truth, my special inclination towards it, but second and equally as important motive was the fact that, watching the
Albanians being breast-fed with chauvinism and racism, are being encouraged to fight their neighbouring peoples (nations), I was hoping that if the truth is explained to them, they will move away from the tales, legends and myths about their autochthony and illyromania, thus ceasing with their inexcusable and baseless hatred towards their neighbours.

VD: - How did the albanian public receive Your albanological research and discoveries?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Once even Enver Hoxha was forced to admit that the albanian science lacks scientific objectivity. The albanian poet Mimoza Erebara in the Science Academy asked them directly what was the situation with my scientific discoveries. They had told her: “We know that very well even before Kaplan, but now is not the time for all of that to be told” Since in the publication “YLBERI” (comes out since 1993, in Geneva) and especially through my albanological collection THE ILLYRIANS AND THE ALBANIANS I demonstrated in written form my points of view, the albanian academic Vincents Golleti, in the printed media stated: “The stances of Kaplan Burovikj about the albanological problems, especially on the problem of the origin of the Albanians, need to be greeted most warmly, while the studies which he publishes in relation with those problems should be propagated throughout the whole of the scholarly world”. After him followed the albanian scholar Dr. Adrian Qosi who in the middle of Tirana openly opposed the hypothesis about the illyrian origin of the Albanians.
With me agreed, via the printed media, several other younger scholars of whom I would especially mention Fatos Ljubonja, Prof. Adrian Vebiu and others. I can say that today appeared a group of new albanian scholars who do not agree with the false myths and courageously accept the scientific truth. I am proud that I lead this group and that they took up from me the necessary scholarly courage. Because, believe me, that is not easy at all, as the extreme albanian nationalists, chauvinists and racists led by Ismail Kadare, through the most severe forms of chicanery and satanising are
attempting to silence us at any cost. The mentioned Dr Adrian Klosi when he stated that the hypothesis for the illyrian origin of the Albanians is unfounded, added: “But it is better not to talk about that because they will declare us anti Albanians”. And they did.

VD: - Since when actually dates the oldest evidence for the existence of the Albanians and the albanian language?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - The oldest evidenced text in an albanian language is “Formula ë paleximit” (Formula for communion), translated from Latin in 8-11-1462 by the Montenegrin Pavle Angjelich, whom the Albanians
have albanised with the name Pal Engylli. The first book in albanian is “Meshari” (The Book of Thoughts), a manual for religious sermons, dates from 1555 and is written by the Croatian Ivan Buzuk and published in Montenegro. And, understandably, they albanise him with the name Gjon Buzuku. For your information, the first primer in albanian, after the proclamation of the albanian independence is a work of “Slavs” and Vlachs. Dositej Obradovich is the first in history who opens a school in albanian language, while it was exactly Serbia which was the first state to recognise
independent Albania. The Macedonians have a significant input in the development of the albanian culture. For example,one of the oldest publishers in Albania is the Macedonian Petar Budi (1566-1622) who has published three books in albanian, and also a Macedonian is Jovan Kukuzel, whom the Albanians have claimed as their own and have albanised with the name Jan Kukuzeli, although it is known that when he was born in Drach, XI century, here there still is not even one Albanian. Let me remind you also of Grigor Prlichev (1830-1893) who for some time is a teacher in Tirana and published
the wonderful poem “Skenderbeg”. Undeniable is the fact that always at the forefront of all of their positive processesthe Albanians had namely non Albanians. Lets mention, as well, at this opportune time only Georgi Kastriot – Skenderbeg, of an undeniable “slavic” ancestry, Naim Frasheri (a Vlach, an albanian national poet) or Fan Noli (a Greek, whose real name is Theofanos Mavromatis), Petar Bogdan, a Serb, or Ismail Kemali, a Turk who was proclaiming the albanian independencein 1912. As you can see, the foundations of the albanian culture and statehood are laid by non Albanians, from which a large number are “Slavs”, but that does not stand in the way of the albanian nationalists, or “marxists-leninists”, all the same, to thump their chests and declare that they have achieved everything by themselves and that the other people (nations), especially the “Slavs” have only been their enemies.

VD: - Undeniable is the fact that in Albania the toponyms are, say, without exception “slavic”. To what is that owed?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: On the territory of today’s Albania, as has already been confirmed by the most distinguished world scholars, from whom I have already mentioned some, first settled the Slavs. In 548 A.D. they eenter also in Durrachium (Drach, Durrls). The Albanians come via Transylvania (Romania) and Bulgaria much later, IX-X century.
In the meantime, understandably, the Slavs have already named all mountains, valleys, rivers, towns and villages, and built some new ones, giving them their own names. When the Albanians arrive on the Balkan and today’s Albania, there is nothing else they can do except to take those toponyms. A large part of Albania is flooded with serbian and macedonian
toponyms. Just as an example I wish to mention the towns of Pogradec, Korça (Korcha), Çorovoda (Chorovoda), Berat, Bozigrad, Leskovik, Voskopoja, Kuzova, Kelcira, Bels and others.

VD: - In the macedonian community little is known that more than 90 percent of the lexical fund of the albanian language are words taken up from other languages. You especially have analysed the subject of the “slavisms”
in the albanian language. It would be interesting some more to be said about this?


Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - For the first time I graduated in Skopje, exactly with the theme “Slavisms in the albanian language”. The second diploma, as well, at the university of Tirana, I defended with a linguistic theme. Especially in “The Dictionary of the Albanian Language in Ulcinj” I have elaborated the etymology of all words. Actually, it can be supposd that if the Turks did not come to the Balkans, the albanian language in not more than 100-200 years would have been completely “slavicised”. The serbian, macedonian and bulgarian languages have penetrated so much into
the albanian language that they have flooded not only the lexicon, but they have displaced its phonetics, morphology and syntax. Besides the significant cultural prestige of these languages compared to the albanian, this is also due to the significant albanisation of not a small number of Serbs, Macedonians and Montenegrins, especially the ones who were previously islamised. As it is known, the Albanians have a strongly developed power of assimilation. That a good part of them by origin is Serbs, Macedonians or Montenegrins, is witnessed by their patrons, surnames, but many of them even today speak their “slavic” language. In Albania there are whole regions along the border, especially towards Macedonia, settled with a compact “slavic” population, which is even more numerous, lets say, than the Albanians in Macedonia.

VD: - Lets talk a little also about the numerous ethnonyms which from the albanian side, often baselessly, are forced as synonyms. How come so many ethnic names for the Albanians?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - That, as well, witnesses the ethnogenesis of the Albanians after their arrival on the Balkan and populating the northern albanian mountains. I have already mentioned about the Illyrians, but the second ethnonym to which they pretend, the Dardanians, it is known, were not Illyrians, but Thracians. Even if they (Dardanians) had been Illyrians, again they haven’t any connection with the Albanians, because that kind of connection neither have the Illyrians themselves. Science has proven that very clearly. In respect of the Albanoi(an)s, they are a celtic tribe which on the territory of Albania, in the region Mat, arrives in the IV century BC. Today’s Albanians, actually, only much, much later take over their name, as have done today’s Bulgarians from the non slavic Bulgars of Asparuh, or today’s French, from the old germanic Franks, deforming the old celtic name Arlbn/Arlbr. Arbanasi is the other name with which our ancestors the “Slavs” are naming them during the Middle Ages. Arnauts is the name which the Turks use for them. It should be known that not all Arnauts were at the same time Albanians, as well. Because the Arnauts (Albanians) got a reputation as good hired hands in the turkish empire, the other mercenaries were also called Arnauts.
That means that there were Serbs, Montenegrins and Macedonians ARNAUTS, because some of them are also islamised, thus as muslims they serve under the turkish flag not only as common soldiers, but also as arnauts (mercenaries). Skiptar (or Shiptar and deformed Shiftar, all originate from the albanian appellative Shqipltar) is the current national name of the
Albanians, spread amongst them in the XVII-XIX century, influenced by the name Osman, as the Turks were naming themselves. Namely, osman in turkish is “eagle”, while in albanian it is “shquipe”. Thus the Albanians of muslim faith wanted to relate themselves with the muslims Turks, which was also the aim of the Porte, even of the original platform of the Prizren League, which originally is not albanian at all, but pan islamic. And if its primary aims succeeded, most probably the Albanians would not exist today because all of them in the meantime would have become Turks.

VD: - Here as well, is the known division Ghegs-Toscs from which originates the known language question which, it seems, still has not been overcome by the Albanians?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - The language question in Albania is not settled even today. Although formally (and by force) Enver Hoxha established as a common, official language the Tosc dialect (until then it was the Gheg dialect),the Ghegs have not given up. They still continue to speak and write in their dialect, although they are persecuted and maltreated because of it. When in 1965 in Albania I published the novel “Treason” in the Gheg dialect the Albanians of northern Albania openly requested the language of this book to be declared as the literary and official language of Albania.
That too was one of the reasons for my satanisation which still continues. You should know that the difference between the Tosc and the Gheg dialects is much bigger than the differences between some “slavic” languages, for example the macedonian and the serbian. From another side, more Albanians, about two thirds, speak in gheg, which is lexically richer, purer and
also has much greater expressional opportunities. With the enforcement of the tosc dialect, which was of a pure political nature (motive), a crime has been perpetrated against the Albanians and their culture.

VD: - One of the fallacies (delusions), unfortunately, it seems somehow silently accepted even outside of Albania is the so called monolithic nature of the albanian population in the Republic of Albania in which allegedly live 97-98% ethnic Albanians, for which You have already said something previously. What is, according to You, the reality in that respect in Albania?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - When Albania is proclaimed and recognised as an independent nation (1912-1913) its population numbered 700,000 of which hardly 50% were Albanians, while the other half was made up of Vlachs (around 20%), “Slavs” (Macedonians, Serbs, Montenegrins, around 15%),Greeks (around5%) and others (Turks, Roms, Cherkesians, Italians, Jews and others, around 10%). With the passing of time, mostly by force, with denial of all national rights, including the right to speak in their own languages at home, or to carry their own national family names, they are to a certain extent assimilated. But, even besides the such forced albanisation, in Albania even today over 30% of the population speaks a non albanian language and retains its non albanian national identity, although they are registered as Albanians, as they are not permitted to declare differently. The non albanian origins of the population of Albania is also evident from their surnames Bello, Blushi, Bogdani, Buda, Budi, Dida, Dobraci, Dragovoja, Dragusha, Haveri(ch), Kapisuzi(ch), Mexi, Millani, Milloshi, Mojsiu, Muzaka, Najdeni, Peku, Prela, Ruka, Sillil, Shk*ra, Shundi, Ziu and many others.

VD: - In Your research You have also paid special attention to the ethnic expansion of the Albanians in the past 2-3 centuries towards its neighbouring (serbian, macedonian, greek and others) regions, for which now, the last several decades, to begin to proclaim exactly them as their “ethnic territories” in which they allegedly lived from eternity?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - This truly is absurd and, in any case it is good that there remain numerous proofs for their undeniable expansion, which I have integrally collected and published in my study “The origins of the Albanians in Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece”. One needs to be objective and tell the truth, not because of the truth itself, but because it will contribute toward overcoming of the many problems on the Balkan. That the Albanians only in the past couple of centuries have expanded admitted publicly, via the printed media, the most eminent contemporary albanian scientist, academic professor Elrem Cabej (Tsabej), who, forced by the numerous arguments, was unable, but to conclude that today’s territories on which the Albanians live are not “a zone of RESTRICTION”, but “a zone of EXPANSION”. And not only he! That also is verified in the “HISTORIA Ë SHQIPERISË” itself, compiled by the albanian scientists themselves.

VD: - Recently from Tirana were launched some “evidences” about an existence of 14 million Albanians. Amongst the numerous “Albanians” who had indebted the world civilisation was included, as well, Alexander of Macedonia!?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - I’ve read that, as well. The albanian academic, Prof. Dr Skender Rizaj once even in his “scientific” works stated that, also all Serbs, Montenegrins, Macedonians, Bosnians and Herzegovians are, in reality, “slavicised” Albanians. By that method we should “admit” that they are not only 14, but possibly even 140 millions. I have already published a study about the “scientific” work “The Illyrians spoke albanian – The Albanians speak illyrian” published by Preloc Margiljaj. I would like to present for this suitable moment only a few short quotes which can also be found in other albanian historical-linguistic “experts”: “The Albanians are one of the oldest nations (peoples) in Europe” (page 438) “it is clear that Crete is the first fireplace of culture and civilisation in the aegean region and in Europe. Crete from the forgotten times of the past was settled with the pelasgian, rather the illyrian or albanian people, thus in Crete ruled the albanian language, which in other words, is the starting point and the first source of the european culture and civilisation”. (page296). Starting from this, this albanian “scientist” wants the albanian language to be taught in all schools around the world as a compulsory language because, according to him, without knowing that language it would not be possible to comprehend the world culture(!?). In respect of Alexander of Macedonia, even Enver Hoxha has written that he is an Albanian, expressing that also in one discussion with the indian ambassador in Tirana, as if personally he, Enver, had sent him to India, even as an ambassador to establish friendly relations between these two countries and peoples. These undoubtedly racist yearnings of the Albanians are certainly the result of their economic and cultural poverty, of their backwardness and late development in comparison with the other nations, amongst which are those of its neighbours, I would say of their frustration because of all of that.

VD: - Do You believe, regardless, in the possibility that the young, unburdened scientists and politicians in Albania will accept the reality and they, abandoning the greater albanian dreams, to give their own contribution towards the development in real good-neighbourly relations?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - I do believe! I have already cited several names of such young scientists. I can also give you names of young politicians unburdened of the greater albanian yearnings. But they still don’t have the power for that, except their pens and good intentions, with which they can’t act freely because the albanian print media is strictly censured by the greateralbanians, and the streets of the cities, unfortunately, are still patrolled by gangsters who, in the service of the social-fascist band, are ready to hit anyone with a brick on the head or with a bullet in the forehead!

VD: - For ten years, as a political emigrant, You have been living in Geneva, Switzerland. Do you have an impression that the so called democratic Europe and the West, generally, understand our Balkan situations?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Democratic Europe, I’m afraid, at least in respect of us, does not exist at all. The antidemocratic one, on the other hand, hand never understood them, nor want to understand our Balkan difficulties. Europe was and still is in the service of The Capital. Its “democracy” is only an expression of that Capital. It uses our Balkan peoples and situations for penetration (expansion) and for ruling the world, for its own battle against the true, real democracy and its carriers.

VD: - Concordant with Your rich life experience, after all that in the past period happened on the Balkan, and which, sadly, culminated with several bloody wars, are You of the opinion that all of that, simply, had to happen?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - No! Absolutely not! All of that could and can, even needs to be solved without blood. Let the Albanians prove that even Moscow is theirs, thus give them even it. But until they prove that, they should not be given even one stone from our fatherlands, not only to prevent them from desecrating it, but in order to prevent them from smashing their own heads with it.

VD: - To conclude, I believe it would be interesting to hear Your prediction how the things could be developing in the near future?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - The Americans have reached their aim – on the Balkan they have installed their military bases. Let us hope that they will not support the terrorism and to use the Albanians as cannon fodder. And the Albanians, certainly, in the meantime will wake up and will not allow either the Americans or whoever else to use them as such. For that, understandably, with self criticism, all of us need to assist them. I hope that for this will also contribute this interview, for which I most sincerely thank you, not as a foreigner, but as your brother, because I have always thought of Skopje as my second birth town and Macedonia as my second, true fatherland. I use this opportunity to send my greetings to my school friends from the Skopje gymnasium “J. B. Tito”, also the personnel from the macedonian embassies in Geneva and Tirana with whom I have met many times and keep wonderful memories from the discussions with them, especially with the recent (former) ambassador in Albania, Risto Nikovski. Understandably, special greetings to my friends and “comrades” from KPD “Idrizovo”.
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>>Albanians have NOTHING to do with Illyrians<<

Very true, the Albos have absolutely NO connection to the ancient Illyrians based on latest research, we can most probaly find their origin somewhere in the Caucasus.

Some facts to concider:
a)The Albanians were never mentioned in Byzantine, (not even of the works by Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus), Arab, Armenian or any other texts before the 12th cent.

b)Language:
Albanian is classified as an IE language only because no one has been able to classify it into any other group, and this is because no one has yet studied all the Caucasus languages.
Albanian might have IE sounding words, but its basic structure and syntax are more similar to Chechen and Udish than to any IE language. Many Albanian words do sound Indo- European, because Albanian has borrowed over 80% of its vocabulary, more than any other European language.
The Chechen language is similar to Albanian. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA

c)Their alphabet interestingly enough, had Arabic letters untill 1908 when the alphabet they use today was adopted.

d)The most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Rumanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.

e)The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.

f)Another indication against local Albanian origin is the insignificant number of ancient Greek loanwords in Albanian. If the primitive home of the Albanians had been Albania itself, then the Albanian language would have to have many more ancient Greek loanwords.

g)Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus:
Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-k*rata,k*ratem,k*rateni(villages)-Caucasus-k*ra (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "k*ra")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Sk*raj - Caucasus-Sk*ria

h) The fact that Albanian is totally alien to the Illyrian language based on the Messapic inscriptions found in tombs. So we must come to the conclusion that they either came from a different location (Caucasus theory) or the Illyrian tribes had absolutely NO ability of comunicating with eachother.
(that does sound stupid don't you think?)

i) The Illyrian city names mentioned in ancient times that were kept do not follow the Albanian sound change laws, suggesting that they were late borrowing from an intermediary language (most likely Romance or Slavic), rather than inherited (for example ancient Aulona should have been inherited in modern Albanian as Alor? instead of Vlore.

j)Ptolemy in Book 5 chapter 15 titled "Location of Illyria or Liburnia, and of Dalmatia" (The Fifth Map of Europe)
Never mentions the alleged "albanopolis" that they support he has, and can be found at 46 degrees and 41 degrees 45', but when you look up what he really has writen, you find the city of Thermidava
Ptolemy's Goegraphy can be found at :
penelope.uchicago.edu/Tha.../home.html

k) Now, when we look at apostle Bartholomew's life, we find he labored in the area around the south end of the Caspian Sea, in the section that was then called Armenia. The modern name of the district where he died is Azerbaijan and the place of his death, called in New Testament times ALBANOPOLIS!!!, is now Derbend which is on the west coast of the Caspian Sea.

l) Out of a list of 40-50 Illyrian city names known to us only 2-5 of the Albanian city names can be connected to them.

m) There is NO MEMORY!!! of the Illyrian past in the Albanian cultural heritage.

n) One of the interesting facts that connect the Albanians to the Caucasus and that they are not the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians is the Turkish name for the Albanians. "Arnauti", which means "those who have not returned" in Arabic, for the Turks were aware of the origins of the Albanians. And they truly did not return, they stayed in Serbian and Byzantine lands.

o) Hard evidence is the Turkish censuses carried out in 1455, they indicate that Albanian names are found in only 80 of the 600 villages listed in the area, and that they did not constitute territorial groups, ruling out any assumptions that zones evenly and continuously inhabited by Albanians existed at the time.

p) The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development.

q) The most interesting fact is our knoledge of the Arab conquer of the Albanian Caucasus sometime around the 7th cent based on Byzantine, Arab and Armenian sources.
They were converted to Islam and used as military troops to attack Sicily, dividing it into two parts, (hence there was the Kingom of the two Sicilies). In order to populate their part of Sicily, the Arabs brought with them Old Albanians from the Caucasus.

Then in 1042, the Byzantine Empire attacked the yong Serbian state after having defeated the Arabs in Sicily and having brought the Sicilian Albanians under their command and christianizing them. The leader of the Byzantines who led the Albanians was named Georgius Maniakos. Maniakos brought Albanian mercenaries from Sicily to fight the Serbs and they settled in two waves in modern day Albania, first the mercanaries came, and then came the women and children. After the defeat of Maniakos, the Byzantines would not let the Albanians return, thus the Albanians requested that the Serbs let them stay on the land. They settled under mount Raban and the city of Berat and from this, the Serbs called them "Rabanasi" or "Arbanasi". The city of Berat was known as Belgrad also, before the Albanians came to settle there. They mostly tended sheep and cattle and lent themselves out to Serbian nobles as brave soldiers.

A fact to support this exept the texts themselfs is their flag. I'm sure you know that the Byzantine war flag was a double headed eagle on a red background.


Now to get to the topic, I find it hard to believe that the Serbs are actually descendants of the Illyrians simply because we know they came from Caucasus.
See:
The Serbs were mentioned by Plinius the Younger in the first century BC (69-75) as living on the Black sea and the Sea of Azov as Serboi in his Geographica.
Herodotus writes in his Persian Wars that Serbs live behind the Caucasus, near the hinterland of the Black Sea.
We also can find the Roman emperor Licinius calling the Carpathians 'Serb mountains' so we have proof of the Serbs living in the Caucasus.

So I guess the question is, if the Illyrian population was assimilated by the Serbs, and in order to prove the connection to the Illyrians shouldn't you be able to provide proof of linguistic connections also?
From what I've found, both the Albanian and Slavic languages are totally alien to Messapic inscriptions.
But then again I might be wrong.




I vould like this to be civilized discussion.I will post logical arguments against Illyrian origin of Albanians,and I want logical arguments against it.
Illyrian theory of Albanians has been created in late 19 century linguists.Reason for that is fact that Albanian language cannot be classified into ANY known branch of Indo-European.Although Indo-European,Albanian is most distant from all languages of that family.
So some Croatian,SERBIAN and German linguists have said that Albanian COULD BE descentant of ancient Illyrian.
That was before research of CAUCASIAN languages.
Also that was before of findings of inscriptions on VENETIAN.
Venetii were most western branch of Illyrians,and have lived in Histria(Istra)and Veneto region in Italy.
Also there were found inscriptions on thombstone in Sqoder in Albania..."ANA OETHE ISER".
And on ancient Venetian..."MEXO ZOTO VHUXSIIA VOTNA SHAIN ATEI REITIIAI OP VOLTIIO LENO" and
"PLETEI VEIXNOI KARANMNIIOI EKUPETHARIS EXO".
Those inscriptions are probably only thing we have from ancient Illyrians.We can see strong diftong structure,and afiliation towards Hellenic(Greek language).
Illyrians were under great Greek cultural influence,as we can see from archaelogy.Although enemies Greeks and Illyrians have good trading relationships.
Illyrian battle helmet was very similar to Greek,and Illyrians have imported bronze and clay pottery from Greece.
Albania was very early under Greek colonisation process.
Illyrian lands came under Roman rule very early,about 2 cent.b.c.Illyrians had their elements of state in DALMATIA.They show resistance under BATON and TEUTA,but they were crushed.Center of Illyrian state of Teuta was in HVAR island in CROATIA.
Under Roman rule Illyrians have been FULLY ROMANIZED.
Romans have also bring collonists from Italy and other regions of empire.
In 3 century a.d Illyrians cease to exists as ethnicity.
They were merged with Thracians,Celts and Italics.
Population of western Balkans during Roman times have spoke Latin derived language(Latinus vulgaris).
Tombstones,remnants of inscriptions in both Aristocrate and farmer items shows FULLY LATINIZATION.
Illyrians(now Romans)had Roman identities,and have become most fanatical defenders of empire.
Their common names shows Greek afinities.
Emperor Diocletian real name was DIOCLES.
Probably Illyrians have belong to same group of Indo-Europeans as Hellenes(Greeks).
Only thing that has left of Illyrians were name of province(ILLYRICUM).By that name Romans considered territory of central Balkan.
Illyricum was territory for recruiting Legionaires,like GALLIA(France).
Romans have build cities and roads all across Balkans.
In Albania(and in Kosovo)Romans have build systems of roads.Early inscriptions shows some Illyrian influence(like the ones above),while later are only on LATIN.
Albania was among first territory to become Roman.
It is impossible that some Illyrians could survive in isolation,for such a long time.
Also Illyrian language was far from todays Albanian.
Kosovo was inhabited by DARDANIANS,which were mixed Illyro-Thracian population.Center of dardanians was Skopje(Scupi).
Dardanians have been among best legionaires from Balkans.Their tombstones shows LATIN inscriptions and identification.
Roman empire was melting pot,and in late empire population have fully identified with Rome.
In 4 cent.population of Roman empire was christianized.
Archeological evidence shows that late Roman were very religious christians,although some pagans have managed to survive in eastern Serbia and Bulgaria all the way to Slavic settling.
Do we still have descendants of those Latinized Illyrians?
YES!
Those are VLACHS and AROUMANIANS(CINCARI).
Vlachs are latin speaking aboriginals of balkans,and they have lived and still live in Serbia,Bulgaria,Greece and ALBANIA.
Vlachs have lived in Dalmatia(MORLACS)and in Bosnia until 18 century.Now they are absorbed.
Romanians are also aboriginals of balkans and latin speakers.
Romania was under Roman rule for about 100 years.But Romanians are fully latinized.Romania is much more larger then Albania.
Albania was under Roman rule over 600 years.
Vlachs,Aromanians and Romanians share common Roman origin.Romanians are mixure of Dacians and Roman colonists,and Vlachs and Aromanians are mixure of Illyrians/Thracians/Celts with Roman colonists.
Later Balkan latins identify with Byzantine empire and with Greek culture.

There is no archaelogical evidence of transition between Illyrians and Albanians.
However there is evidence of transition between Illyrians and Vlachs.

Aromanians(Cincari) are form of Vlachs.Unlike other Vlachs,Aromanians are urban population.
They say that they are descendent of 5 Roman legion,and that they came from Macedonia.
Indeed 5=CINQUE=CINCAR.
And there have been LEGIONES V.DARDANORUM,which had defended this part of limes from barbarians.
Dardanians are from Macedonia and Kosovo.
Aromanians are direct descendants os Dardanians.

Albanians are never mentioned in Roman or Byzantine chronicles.They suddenly apear in 11 century.
Territory of Albania was inhabited by slavs also,and there are still Serbs ans Macedonians living there.
Albanians are mentioned as nomadic sheperds.
French crusaders described Albanians as people who live in TENTS(nomadic origin?).This was mentioned in 12 century.
Albanians were not majority in Albania before 17 century.
AROMANIANS were majority,and their center was MOSCOPOLIS in central Albania,near Tirana.
Albanian tribes have wipped them in several attacs in 17 and 18 century.There are still Aromanians in south and central Albania today,as tiny minority.
In middle ages Albanians(Arvanitoi,Arbanasi)were small ethnic group,almost non existant.
They have been minority in Albania,and in Kosovo they have been almost non existent.
So who are Albanians really?
It is interesting that they are first mentioned in 11 century.That correspond with PECHENEG and KUMAN invasion from east.
Kumans were nomadic tribe from asia wich came with some OTHER groups in Balkans.They have pass through Bulgaria ,Macedonia and what is today Albania.
Albanians(Shqiptar)were caucasian group which came with them.
Albanian language shows close grammatical and sythaxical similarity with CIRCASSIAN(LEZGIAN)languages.
caucassian languages are different between eachother,but they have same structure and accentation.
Albanian language shows same afinities.
Closest to Albanian are CHECHEN,INGUSH and UDI(LEZGIAN).Udi is last remnant of ancient caucasian ALBANIAN.
Links...Chechen grammar and dictionary=ingush.narod.ru/chech/awde/
Udi grammar and dictionary...www.Irz-muenchen.de/~wschulze/Uog.html
Check links "Udi and problem of circassian Albania" and
link with Udi text "Yesiraq'i pashtag".

Only Albanian historic figure was Gheoghi Kastrioti(Skenderbeg).He was however Greek noble Georgios Kastriotes.He had lead Albanian tribes and Vlachs against Turks.Most of their fighters were Aromanians.
Albanians were just one of them(from Kruje region).
Albanian eagle was derived from Byzantine and Serbian double headed eagle.Those early CHERKEZ Albanians have identify with Serbian and Byzantine state.
Under Skenderbeg they wage war against the Turks under banner of two headed eagle.
Thus they called themselves 'people of eagle'=SHQIPTAR.
Albanians never had strong national awerness.
They preserve tribal structure and customes from caucasus,which are so alien to Greeks and Serbs.

With conversion to Islam,actually starts Albanian expansion.
Albanians first appear in Kosovo in late 14 cent. as sheperds.They have came there probably leading herds of sheeps and goats from mountains of northern Albania to Metohija valley.
Original Albanians were concentrated in Kruja region,and starts to spread to north and south.
With Islam Albanians got agressive expansionist ideology.
In Ottoman empire they become instrument of Islamization.In name of Islam they have destroyed Aromanian majority,and lots of them become Albanized(TOSCS).Islamisation also meant Albanisation.
Albanians have turn into albanians a lot of aboriginal population.
Kosovo,with its fertile land was special prize.
Shumbi and Malisori tribes have penetrated durind Turkish times in Kosovo,starting to terorize christian(Serbian and Vlach population)and converting them into Islam.Those Islamized Serbs became Albanians.
Some remember their Serbian origins(Goranci).
Kosovo is Serbian word.It means land of Kos(Blackbird,similar to raven).Central region of Kosovo is SRBICA.
"Kosova"is albanized Serbian word,and it means nothing in Albanian.
Most of cities in Albania was builded by Italians,Greeks and Serbs,before appearance of Albanians from caucasus.

Idea of uniting all Albanians came with "Prizren ligue".
The goal was to create Albanians as most elite members of OTTOMAN EMPIRE.They consider Albanians as leading banner of Islam.

Albanians have took Illyrian theory with passion.It give them exuse from expansionism.Also it give them exuse to terrorize other ethnic groups.
Albanian state was created with help of Italy and Austro-Hungaria,to stop Serbian expansion to adriatic.
Albanians were mostly instrument of foreign powers..Turks,Italians,Americans...

First president of Albania was Fan Noli,an Aroumanian.
He was owerthroned and replaced by king Zogu,with help from king Alexander of Yugoslavia.

Albanian today give their children names like ILJIR or DARDAN.However they cannot claim past of other nations.

CONCLUSIONS...

Albanian language is morphologically circassian language,with strong influences of Greek,Italian and Serbian.
Vlachs and Aromanians are true descendants of Illyrians.
Albanians(as nation)are caucasian people.
Original Illyrians were of mediterean and dinaric race.
Original Albanians were of Armenoid race.
Original Serbs were of nordic and baltic race.
Both Albanians and Serbs today are of dinaric/med,like Illyrians of ancient times.
Both Serbs and Albanians have some Illyrian blood in them.
Some surnames are not Slavic,but rather latin,like Macura=Mazzura,Kapisoda,Basara.
Others are slavicized latin Galovic=Gallo,Demajorovic=De Major.
Serbs and Albanians as nations cannot claim Illyrian ancestry.Only Vlachs and Aromanians can.
Serbs are defined as Slavs,Albanians as Lezgian.
Racially both Serbs and Albanians are balkan nations.
Center of Dinaric race is MONTENEGRO.And,no Montenegrins are not slavicized Albanians.Only Kuchi clan from Montenegro is from Albanian origin.
Ghegs are original circassian Albanians,while Tosks are albanized Greeks and Aromanians.




The oldest people on this part of Europe????

Being an Albanian you must speak the language. So tell us all about why the Chechen language is similar to Albanian.
They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian.

examples:

CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA

Or what about the coincidense of many common place names:???

Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka - Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)

Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)

Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-k*rata,k*ratem,k*rateni(villages)-Caucasus-k*ra (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "k*ra")

Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Sk*raj - Caucasus-Sk*ria

How about the fact that Albanian is totally alien to the Messapic words found from inscriptions??
(if any Albanian word is misspelled or wrongly translated correct me, I'm using an online translator)

Illyrian-"alt"= (a stream) Albo -"LUMË, RRYMË, CURRIL, RRËKE, PËRRUA, NIVEL"
Illyrian-"barba"= (a swamp) Albo -"MOÇAL"
Illyrian-"bra"= (brother) Albo-VËLLA, SHOK
Illyrian-"mag"= (great) Albo- FAMSHËM, KRYESOR, FISNIK, SHKËLQYER
Illyrian-"brisa"= (grapes) Albo-RRUSH
Illyrian-"metu"=(between) Albo-MES,NDËRMJET
Illyrian-"oseriates"=(lake) Albo-LIQEN, PELLG
Illyrian-"plo"=(strong) Albo-FORTË, THANTË
Illyrian-"rinos"=(cloud) Albo-HIJE, RE, TUFË
Illyrian-"sybina"=(a spear) Albo-SHTIZË
Illyrian-"teuta"=(a tribe/people) Albo-FIS, KLAN/ POPULL, KOMBËSI, GJINDE
Illyrian-"ves"=(kind) Albo-MIRË, DASHUR, SJELLSHËM

Sources for the Illyrian words:
1. Neroznak, V. Paleo-Balkan languages. Moscow, 1978.
2. Katicic, R. Ancient Languages of the Balkans. The Hague, 1976.

English-Albo translator:
www.foreignword.com

Shall we continue? well why not???

The most important facts and considerations for determining the origin and original home of the Albanians are the following.

1. The Illyrian toponyms known from antiquity, e.g. Shköder from the ancient Scodra (Livius), Tomor from Tomarus (Strabo, Pliny, etc.), have not been directly inherited in Albanian: the contemporary forms of these names do not correspond to the phonetic laws of Albanian. The same also applies to the ancient toponyms of Latin origin in this region.

2. The most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Rumanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.
(this is from another theory that proves your origin to be somewhere in Carpathia)

3. The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.

4. Another indication against local Albanian origin is the insignificant number of ancient Greek loanwords in Albanian. If the primitive home of the Albanians had been Albania itself, then the Albanian language would have to have many more ancient Greek loanwords.

5. The Albanians are not mentioned before the 10th century a.d., although place names and personal names from the whole region of Albania are attested in numerous documents from the 4th century onwards.

6. The old home of the Albanians must have been near to that of the proto-Rumanians. The oldest Latin elements in Albanian come from proto-Rumanian, i.e. eastern Balkan Latin, and not from Dalmatian, western Balkan Latin that was spoken in Illyria. Cf. the phonetic development of the following words:
Vulgar Latin caballum 'horse' Rum. cal, Alb. kal
Vulgar Latin cubitum 'elbow' Rum. cot. Alb. kut
Vulgar Latin lucta 'struggle, fight' Rum. lupt, Arum. luft, Alb. luftë
(same theory mentioned)


Sources :
H. Kronasser, ‘Zum Stand der Illyristik’ (Linguistique Balkanique, IV, 1962, pp. 5 ff.); R. Katicic', 'Namengebiete im römischen Dalmatian" (Die Sprache, X, Vienna, 1964, pp. 23 ff.); id., Illyrii proprie dicti (iva Antika, Skopje, XIII/XIV, 1964, pp. 87 ff.); id., 'Suvremena istraivanja o jeziku starosjedilaca ilirskih provincija' (Naučno društvo SR Bosne i Hercegovine, IV, Sarajevo, 1964, pp. 9 ff.); G. Alföldy, 'Die Namengebung der Urbevölkerung der römischen Provinz Dalmatia’ (Beiträge zur Namenforschung, 15, Heidelberg, 1964, pp. 54 ff).




It is beyond all doubt that Albanians originate from Asia because they are mentioned for the first time in Greek and Serbian sources in XI century, to be more precise in 1043., when they were settled in this region by Greek military leader Michael Attaliota. The place of their origin is most probably in Caucasus region, and therefore the racial makeup of Albanians is very specific, it is very different from other nations in region, and from all other nations in Europe. The original Albanians are mix of various types of hither-asiatic (Armenoid) race, but also influence of their Turkish muslim brothers is not negligible... I know that there is a notable number of Albanians who look white, and there are several reasons for it:



1.) Centuries of brutal Turkish opression of Christian Slavs and Wallachians, which in the beginning led to their islamization, and later to Albanization. Before Turkish conquest of Balkans, a great number of Slavs inhabited northern and central parts of what is now Albania. As proof, here are two maps which show Slavic toponimes in Albania:





2.) Brutal assimilation and ethnic cleansing from 1912. - till present day, especially during communist era, lead to decline of number of national minorities. As Dr. Kaplan Resuli Burovich stated, in 1912. when Albania was formed as independent state for the first time in history, the Albanians barely consisted 50% of country's population. In 1912. there still lived about 100.000 Serbs, but today Albanian autorities claim that there are no Serbs in Albania. Similarly, in southern Albania lived a big number of Aromanians (descendants of Romanized Illyrians and other aboriginals of Balkans), but most of them were assimilatedin comunist era. Here is one good article on this issue:

http://www.ecmi.de/download/working_paper_3.pdf.

Today, many thousands of Aromanians (also known as „Vlachs“) live quite
compactly in Northern Greece, Macedonia (FYROM) and southern Albania;
and there are still traces of Vlach-Aromanian and Aromanian populations
in Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia and Romania. In Albania, they were recently
estimated at about 200,000 by the English scholar Tom Winnifrith. In
Albanian communist times, Aromanians were not recognised as a separate
minority group, officially considered to be almost completely assimilated.
However, in the early post-communist transition period, a vivid Aromanian
ethnic movement emerged in Albania and it became part of a recent global
Balkan Aromanian initiative. The Albanian Aromanians’new emphasis of
their ethnicity can be seen as a pragmatic strategy of adjustment to
successes and failures in the Albanian political transition and to
globalisation. It is exactly the re-vitalisation of the conflict between
followers of a pro-Greek and a pro-Romanian Aromanian identification that
serves to broaden the scope of options for potential exploitation.



The logic conclusion is that most of albanian 'Toscs' (southern orthodox albanians) are actually albanized Aromanians and Greeks.


3.) To be honest, not all of original Albanians who came from Caucasus were of hither-asiatic racials stock, because even among mongrel nations from Caucasus like Azeris and Georgians we can find some small portion of people who look white, but offcourse we can't accept them as white Europeans because they are not white in
cultural sense (islamic religion, primitive Asiatic mentality etc.).




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vo izveštaja komadanta "Skanderbeg" SS-divizije Avgusta Šmithubera od 2 oktobra 1944. godine.

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Top Secret 175/44, October 2, 1944 - Summar report on forming and condition

"From the military organizing point of view, the order for forming this division was based on wrong assumptions".

"Albanians are living in some kind of primitive facultativeness...He's never in a hurry. He doesn't wish to fight in ranks of his military formations, but only in the ranks of his armed gangs. There isn't any kind of discipline in these gangs. When it's raining Albanian leaves his post, and at the start of night he leaves his military position and goes to the village to drink brandy. After spending 12 days in the field - without asking his gang leader - he leaves for 4-5 days at home and then returns to his gang...or doesn't return at all".

"Albanian isn't familiar and doesn't like at all military field training and shooting practise. His alleged shooting skill is just a story and lie. He likes to shoot a lot, mostly sitting behind the cover and shooting - straight in the air. He simply pulls the trigger and constantly reloads his gun. Albanian is sensitive of artillery shelling and has mortal fear of it. Albanian takes part in an attack until he finds something he can steal or take by force. If he manages to steal a goat, axe or sewing machine wheel the war for him is over and he goes home on his own free will. On every 20 Albanians there must be 2 German SS non-commissioned officers: One to command, and the other to follow and check them".

"In regard of their clothing, our instructors are dealing with the same problems as with the negroes. Most of the recruits are of village origin and they wore shoes for the first time in their lives. They where very proud of their shoes, so they didn't take them off even during night. But during long marches they took their shoes off and put them over their shoulders. When Albanians start to run, they get rid of there shoes, they can run faster on there barefoot"

"Proposition which president of Albanian national committee in the town of Prizren BEDRI PEJANI in written form submitted to Reichsführer of SS troops are nothing but simplest bombastic lies. Bedri Pejani is just a political scumbag that managed to provide a good life for himself using political scams in the country and abroad. He, and most of the Albanian "politicians", don’t care where the money comes from to satisfy their immoderate life needs".

conclusion:

"The forming of the division in planned size would be achieved quickest if a Commander was given a bag of gold to bribe influential local Albanian leaders. The first question a person which is looking for friendship with Albanians is asked is "How much gold will you give me?". It seems that some Albanians wanted to make a good business out of forming the "Skenderbeg" division".





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