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Poshto mene mi beshe jasno deka zborot Greece ili Greek NE bilo drzava,  nacija ili eden etnikum - ne mi beshe jasno STO BILO TOGASH?? (pa i sega)

Na ova prashanje eden Grk mi odgovori;

In ancient times

1. to speak a greek dialect (attic,ionic,aeolic,doric
pamphylian)

2. to worship the twelve gods
and Zeus the King of them

3. to partcipate in Olympic, Pythic, Isthmic Nemean games and greek religious pagan organizations

4. to read as children greek books
like Iliad,Odyssey,Greek Mythology,Hesiodus,Herodotus
Plato,Xenophon,Aristotle etc

5.t o watch greek tragedies (Aeschylus
Sophocles,Euripides)
and greek comedies (Aristophanes)


Znachi "nacija" bazirana na "membership" - nishto porazlichno od "religioznata" secta  Scientology denes. намигнување



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Vo prodolzenie na Grchkata mitologija - "slikovito" prikazana;

- Gods of Anciant Greek Mythology

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjRyFo6Q53Y&mode=related&search=

 

- Goddesses of ancient Greek Mythology

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxynGjncprE&mode=related&search=

 
- Greek mythology ZEUS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjg7xOcGx0k&mode=related&search=


- Greek gay-Mythology

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ7Sw3QjxrE&mode=related&search=


Kako zakluchok na predhodno izlozenoto;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Lhym24RdM&mode=related&search=






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Greek genes into Greece-like Moroccans Berbers

Friday, 28. December 2007, 14:03:58


For "Greece" with love...
The Myth of Greek Ethnic 'Purity'

DNA Tribes Genetic Ancestry Analysis
www.dnatribes.com

 
 
VERRY "CLASSIC" IN DEED!!!!!  газење%20од%20смеење
 
 
 


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гени..HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks

колку да се знае..Abstract:
HLA alleles have been determined in individuals from the Re¬public of Macedonia by DNA typing and sequencing. HLA-A, -B, -DR, -DQ allele frequencies and extended haplotypes have been for the first time determined and the results compared to those of other Mediterraneans, par¬ticularly with their neighbouring Greeks. Genetic distances, neighbor-join¬ing dendrograms and correspondence analysis have been performed. The following conclusions have been reached:
1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum, like Iberians (including Basques), North Africans, Italians, French, Cretans, Jews, Lebanese, Turks (Anatolians), Ar¬menians and Iranians,
2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum,
3) Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiop¬ian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups. Both Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305, *0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310. Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbour joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses.
The time period when these relationships might have occurred was ancient but uncertain and might be related to the displace¬ment of Egyptian-Ethiopian people living in pharaonic Egypt.


The highly polymorphic HLA system has been validated as useful for distinguishing and/or relating populations (and individuals) in many research studies since the first International HLA Anthropology Workshop (Evian, 1973) and in all the subsequent seven International Workshops. HLA gene frequencies correlate with geographically re¬lated populations.
The existence or absence of gene flow among neighbouring ethnic groups may be assessed with the study of HLA frequencies and the corresponding genetic distances (1,2).
Ancient Macedonians were among the peoples that lived be¬tween northern Greece (Thessaly) and Thrace in the Balkans and were considered by the classical Greeks as ‘‘non-Greek barbarians’’ that could not participate in the Greek Olympic Games (3).
Hero dotus wrote that "Macedonians" were "Dorians" and were never admitted to the Greek community (4).
They did not speak Greek but another language presently unknown and of which only proper names remain; nowadays, they speak a Slavic language (5).
Mace¬donians fought against the Greeks between 357-336 B.C. under King Philip II. They defeated the Greeks at the Battle of Chaironea (338 B.C.). The Macedonian empire extended from the Balkan Penin¬sula to the Himalayas and to North Africa during the reign of Phil¬ip's son, Alexander the Great (6).
Thereafter, Macedonia was conqu¬ered by the Romans and has been disputed in more recent times by Serbs and/or Bulgars. Ottoman Turks controlled Macedonia be¬tween 1380-1912 A.D., and it was integrated into Yugoslavia in 1946. In 1991, after the partition of Yugoslavia, a referendum gave Macedonia its independence.
The present ethnic groups within the country are:
1) Macedonians: 1,279,000;
2) Albanians: 377,000;
3) Turks: 87,000;
4) Serbs: 44,000; and
5) others: 40,000.
The northern¬most region of Greece is also known as Macedonia and this is why Greece has opposed the independence of the country while it bears the same name (7).
Furthermore, we have found that the Greeks did not cluster to¬gether with other Mediterranean populations, including both west¬ern (Iberians, Algerians, Berbers) and eastern (Cretans, Jews, Leb¬anese, Egyptian, Turks-Anatolians) Mediterraneans (8-10).
The aim of the present work is to determine the relative contri¬butions of Macedonians and Greeks to the present-day genetic pool of Mediterranean peoples.
For these purpose, both HLA class I and class IIDNA typings have been studied in Macedonians for the first time.
The genetic relationship of Macedonians and Greeks to other Mediterraneans, including North Africans (Berbers from Agadir and El Jadida areas and Algerians from Algiers), Iberians (Spani¬ards, Basques and Portuguese) and Greeks (from Attica, Aegean and Cyprus) were calculated.
In addition, sub-Saharan and other Africans were compared with all available Mediterranean groups in order to solve the question of the unique Greek HLA profile.

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Originally posted by Vladimir88 Vladimir88 напиша:

Инаку, Њујорк Тајмс од 1880 г. ни дава делумна слика за хеленизмот:

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Originally posted by zabegan zabegan напиша:


Originally posted by Vladimir88 Vladimir88 напиша:

Инаку, Њујорк Тајмс од 1880 г. ни дава делумна слика за хеленизмот:

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pa fala bogu i nie malce da napadneme ne samo da se branime
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Originally posted by zabegan zabegan напиша:

pa fala bogu i nie malce da napadneme ne samo da se branime


За грците има еден тон теории.
Само што на Британците и Американците не им одговара тоа.
(или одговараше можеби веќе им одговара).
Знаеш зошто е тоа така

Поради островите кои ги има Грција претставуваат стратешка позиција за контролирање на Мала Азија,Северна Африка, и Блискиот Исток
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Isn't it strange that even after all warring's from the EU and Human Rights Associations for Greeks bad treatments on non-Greek citizens and NO given even basic rights to all non-Greeks or their RECOGNITION - Greek government don't even budge about it and CONTINUES WITH THEIR TYRANNY on the dally bases even MORE stronger?????

Looking trough their history of been fathers of "democracy" and the meaning of it, I've conclude that THEY ARE DOING "NOTHING WRONG" - according to THEIR original translation and implementation of THEIR "democracy", therefore finding themselves SPREADERS of their "democracy" with its ALL and FULL true meaning and type of society practice.

To BE MORE ACCEPTED TROUGH THE WORLD and WIN PEOLES HEARTS they LIE to the world saying that "DEMOCRACY" means "freedom of the people"

BUT IN REALITY it is OPPOSITE:

Even if we look at the word NOW we will see its meaning DEMO-cracy????

But let's go trough the whole Greek etymology meaning:

democracy
1574, from M.Fr. democratie, from M.L. democratia (13c.), from Gk. demokratia, from demos "common people," originally "district" (see demotic),+ kratos "rule, strength" (see -cracy). Democratic for one of the two major U.S. political parties is 1829, though members of the Democratic-Republican (formerly Anti-Federal) party had been called Democrats since 1798; though colloquial abbrev. Demo dates to 1793.

demotic
1822, from Gk. demotikos "of or for the common people," from demos "common people," originally "district," from PIE *da-mo- "division," from base *da- "to divide" (see tide). In contrast to hieratic. Originally of the simpler of two forms of ancient Egyptian writing; broader sense is from 1831; used of Greek since 1927.
hieratic
1656 (implied in hieratical), from Gk. hieratikos, from hierateia "priesthood," from hierasthai "be a priest," from hiereus "priest," from hieros "sacred."

In ITS terminology will see the TRUE meaning of the society type of life, which is;

DEMOTIC=divide (demon) opposite to HIERATIC=unite (holly spirit)

And KRATOS=rule

All together make a DEMON-RULE (ANTI CRIST-RULE or ANTI HOLLY-RULE)

Greeks themselves knowingly APPLY this kind of society and SPREAD around the world under a (LIE) meaning “freedom of people”?????????

In their history of explaining their "democracy" is says:

“Athenian democracy, the tyrants, and the archons, Athens was ruled by kings. Most of these are probably mythical or only semi-historical.”

Is it BEEN RULED BY AN TYRANTS = FREEDOM OF THE PEOPLE???????

THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG and NEEDS TO BE STOPPED IMMEDIATELY as WELL AS CONTINUE USE OF THE TERM "DEMOCRACY"!!!!!

With “Greeks” been find RESPONSIBLE for SPREADING INHUMANITY AROUND THE WORLD!!!!! ѕвезда




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SEEING IS BELIVING - "TRUE" ATHENS KINGS, very funny!!!!!!!!

Before the Athenian democracy, the tyrants, and the archons, Athens was ruled by kings. Most of these are probably mythical or only semi-historical. This list is based on that given by Eusebius.

Do you get that: "Before the ATHENIAN DEMOCRACY, the TYRANS, and the ARCHONS, Athens was ruled by kings."??????

So that's TRUE Athenian DEMOCRACY=TYRANTS=ARCHONS!!!!!!
Isn't that familiar to YOU - offcourse, the TODAY "GREEK DEMOCRACY"!!!!!!

AND THEIR "BEFORE and AFTER kings" - WELL...Cecrops was considered the first TRUE (ha..true???) king of Athens, although he was a mythical HALF-MAN HALF-SERPENT....(you must admit, THAT'S "realy true"). ѕвезда

For more, half on half's, please check:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_of_Athens




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